Which Tier Is The Lowest Level Of Power Required To Make It Through DBZ's Various Threats?
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Which Tier Is The Lowest Level Of Power Required To Make It Through DBZ's Various Threats?
What I mean by this is what would be the minimal power level one needs to defeat DBZ's villains before they transform or awaken from dormancy?
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With enough intelligence and foresight, you wouldn't need much power at all.
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I don't really understand the thread. What do you mean "awaken from dormancy"? Why are they assumed to be in dormancy at the time?
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Dragonball has consistently shown itself to be a series where skill and intelligence is largely overrated. There's an entire thread pointing this out lol.Polyphase Avatron wrote:With enough intelligence and foresight, you wouldn't need much power at all.
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Well if this is just the Z era's threats, the saiyans and Frieza's forces are all fully active, that means that you'd SS Goku's namek power level if you want to clear that lot up safely.
The entire android arc can be prevented by a normal person provided they have foreknowledge of the events. Just shoot Gero (or stab what evers your poison... that works to), dismantle his lab and any androids he was working on, then blow the whole place up, making shore your don't miss the sub-basement. You'd need to train a bit just so your strong enough to kill Future Cell after you dig up his larval state, thats even if his has any power in that form.
Were things get tricky is with Babidi and his crew. With Dabura on side you'd need to be at least as strong as Perfect Cell to beat him. You cannot attempt to destroy Buu at that level as you risk awakening him so just move him or better yet dump him in a black hole. If you wanna destroy him personally then get your ass in the gym and don't come out till your as strong as SS3 Goku.
The entire android arc can be prevented by a normal person provided they have foreknowledge of the events. Just shoot Gero (or stab what evers your poison... that works to), dismantle his lab and any androids he was working on, then blow the whole place up, making shore your don't miss the sub-basement. You'd need to train a bit just so your strong enough to kill Future Cell after you dig up his larval state, thats even if his has any power in that form.
Were things get tricky is with Babidi and his crew. With Dabura on side you'd need to be at least as strong as Perfect Cell to beat him. You cannot attempt to destroy Buu at that level as you risk awakening him so just move him or better yet dump him in a black hole. If you wanna destroy him personally then get your ass in the gym and don't come out till your as strong as SS3 Goku.
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He's asking about neutralizing the villains before they become threats. Judicious use of intelligence data and Dragonball wishes will pretty much take care of that.zarmack wrote:Dragonball has consistently shown itself to be a series where skill and intelligence is largely overrated. There's an entire thread pointing this out lol.Polyphase Avatron wrote:With enough intelligence and foresight, you wouldn't need much power at all.
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Oh. Then if that's the cause, being at least as strong as SSJ2 Gohan (Cell arc) is enough to stop every conflict in Z before they get out of hand.Polyphase Avatron wrote:He's asking about neutralizing the villains before they become threats. Judicious use of intelligence data and Dragonball wishes will pretty much take care of that.zarmack wrote:Dragonball has consistently shown itself to be a series where skill and intelligence is largely overrated. There's an entire thread pointing this out lol.Polyphase Avatron wrote:With enough intelligence and foresight, you wouldn't need much power at all.
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If we're talking about the absolute minimum then if you can trick various villains into not taking you seriously and letting you do the Mafuba on them, it could be quite low.
Another possible way of defeating villains that have to breathe in space would be to go out in a spaceship and place a small pod or mini ship with a living organism like a frog or something in it, along with food and lifesupport systems. Place it far enough into space for the plan to work but still close enough that you can detect the frog's ki. Then all you need to do is learn IT and then what you'd do is simply IT the villains to where the frog is and IT back (or stay for a suicide kill), and if you've done it right they won't be able to fly all the way back before running out of air, not even remotely, considering how far you can sense even small ki if you concentrate. This method would require you to get close to the villains, but it's not impossible providing they are in character, and they don't even know what you are doing until they are already light years out in space. It would be easier to trick a high power character like Raditz (lol) into letting you teleport him into space, than it would to do the same thing to, say, the Red Ribbon Army, so when singular superpowered threats start appearing in the story, smart methods would actually pay higher dividends.
For the Frieza saga: Frieza can be beaten in his first form if you have a powerlevel at least that high. If Kaioken could stack with Oozaru, then even Saiyan Saga Vegeta might be able to defeat Frieza by getting someone else to engage him while he readies a huge blast. Alternatively, there might be ways to "make it through the threat" without killing Frieza or even engaging him at all. The IT method wouldn't work on Frieza. You could get him stranded in deep space, but I'm sure King Cold or his army would just track him down, and then he'd be after you again, and he'd never fall for the same trick twice. The Mafuba could theoretically work on Frieza. He'd think it was some weakling attack and then it would be too late. Just make sure you aim well, or you aren't getting a second chance.
Defeating Dabura is going to require a super saiyan power of Cell level (whatever Cell that refers to, but I personally don't think it's Super Perfect Cell), but an alternative method would be to use Babidi, either killing him or taking him hostage. If Dabura is a breather, then you could try the IT method after using an appropriate bargaining set-up.
Another possible way of defeating villains that have to breathe in space would be to go out in a spaceship and place a small pod or mini ship with a living organism like a frog or something in it, along with food and lifesupport systems. Place it far enough into space for the plan to work but still close enough that you can detect the frog's ki. Then all you need to do is learn IT and then what you'd do is simply IT the villains to where the frog is and IT back (or stay for a suicide kill), and if you've done it right they won't be able to fly all the way back before running out of air, not even remotely, considering how far you can sense even small ki if you concentrate. This method would require you to get close to the villains, but it's not impossible providing they are in character, and they don't even know what you are doing until they are already light years out in space. It would be easier to trick a high power character like Raditz (lol) into letting you teleport him into space, than it would to do the same thing to, say, the Red Ribbon Army, so when singular superpowered threats start appearing in the story, smart methods would actually pay higher dividends.
For the Frieza saga: Frieza can be beaten in his first form if you have a powerlevel at least that high. If Kaioken could stack with Oozaru, then even Saiyan Saga Vegeta might be able to defeat Frieza by getting someone else to engage him while he readies a huge blast. Alternatively, there might be ways to "make it through the threat" without killing Frieza or even engaging him at all. The IT method wouldn't work on Frieza. You could get him stranded in deep space, but I'm sure King Cold or his army would just track him down, and then he'd be after you again, and he'd never fall for the same trick twice. The Mafuba could theoretically work on Frieza. He'd think it was some weakling attack and then it would be too late. Just make sure you aim well, or you aren't getting a second chance.
Yeah, that's the minimum for that arc.The entire android arc can be prevented by a normal person provided they have foreknowledge of the events. Just shoot Gero (or stab what evers your poison... that works to), dismantle his lab and any androids he was working on, then blow the whole place up, making shore your don't miss the sub-basement. You'd need to train a bit just so your strong enough to kill Future Cell after you dig up his larval state, thats even if his has any power in that form.
Defeating Dabura is going to require a super saiyan power of Cell level (whatever Cell that refers to, but I personally don't think it's Super Perfect Cell), but an alternative method would be to use Babidi, either killing him or taking him hostage. If Dabura is a breather, then you could try the IT method after using an appropriate bargaining set-up.
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Re: Which Tier Is The Lowest Level Of Power Required To Make It Through DBZ's Various Threats?
This.Polyphase Avatron wrote:With enough intelligence and foresight, you wouldn't need much power at all.
I mean, for example, if you were to throw a Stand user from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure's like Jotaro Kujo, Joseph Joestar, Rohan Kishibe or Giorno Giovanna into the Dragon Ball world, they would effortlessly kill the entire cast in seconds.
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Don't see how Joseph and Jotaro would be able to do that, they're smart and all, but ultimately too weak to do anything to them, specialy if we're talking about part 3 Joseph.Lord Beerus wrote:This.Polyphase Avatron wrote:With enough intelligence and foresight, you wouldn't need much power at all.
I mean, for example, if you were to throw a Stand user from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure's like Jotaro Kujo, Joseph Joestar, Rohan Kishibe or Giorno Giovanna into the Dragon Ball world, they would effortlessly kill the entire cast in seconds.
Giorno would only be able to do anything with GER, otherwise meh, without the arrow his stand acts too slowy to be effective, though if the characters are dumb enough to let him do his thing then he could do something at least...
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Giorno Giovanna is the only Joestar that would make it past Namek (he would do extremely well in DBS also.)Lord Beerus wrote:This.Polyphase Avatron wrote:With enough intelligence and foresight, you wouldn't need much power at all.
I mean, for example, if you were to throw a Stand user from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure's like Jotaro Kujo, Joseph Joestar, Rohan Kishibe or Giorno Giovanna into the Dragon Ball world, they would effortlessly kill the entire cast in seconds.
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Just hide Goku from raditz, lie and say Goku died or went to Namek or something, get him killed by Nail.
Freeza you simply avoid, don't piss him off.
Kill or imprison Gero before he has a single android.
Buu you could wish for buus dormant egg to be sent to kaioshins planet, let them take care it Dabra is an issue, you could perhaps somehow find a way to speedblitz or kill babidi, preferably by seperating dabra first.
Once Dabra is free help him back to the demon realm and he'll probably be grateful.
Towa won't need to invent Mira as an instrument of revenge.
Goku doesn't get to godly heights and pisses of Zamasu.
No buu means beerus doesn't flip out.
No U6 v U7 tournament means no idea for ToP.
No two zeno samas means no board game which reminds him to erase shit.
I think Shin would eventually raise the mortal level, he was just a rookie.
Freeza Force never goes looking for Broly they die there eventually.
If you hide the egg from Babidi you could even snitch to him about Freeza and the Ginyus being good henchmen. He steals them and they all spend the rest of time searching for buy fruitlessesly.
If anyone tries to revive the demon realm. Brief supreme Kai about it. Introduce him to kaioshin of time. Have then contact a GoD the moment shit gets weird and have them blitz towa/Dabra whoever.
Snagging the super DBs and exploiting them could solve most things too.
Freeza you simply avoid, don't piss him off.
Kill or imprison Gero before he has a single android.
Buu you could wish for buus dormant egg to be sent to kaioshins planet, let them take care it Dabra is an issue, you could perhaps somehow find a way to speedblitz or kill babidi, preferably by seperating dabra first.
Once Dabra is free help him back to the demon realm and he'll probably be grateful.
Towa won't need to invent Mira as an instrument of revenge.
Goku doesn't get to godly heights and pisses of Zamasu.
No buu means beerus doesn't flip out.
No U6 v U7 tournament means no idea for ToP.
No two zeno samas means no board game which reminds him to erase shit.
I think Shin would eventually raise the mortal level, he was just a rookie.
Freeza Force never goes looking for Broly they die there eventually.
If you hide the egg from Babidi you could even snitch to him about Freeza and the Ginyus being good henchmen. He steals them and they all spend the rest of time searching for buy fruitlessesly.
If anyone tries to revive the demon realm. Brief supreme Kai about it. Introduce him to kaioshin of time. Have then contact a GoD the moment shit gets weird and have them blitz towa/Dabra whoever.
Snagging the super DBs and exploiting them could solve most things too.
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Re: Which Tier Is The Lowest Level Of Power Required To Make It Through DBZ's Various Threats?
Well if we go by canon characters. Beerus and Whis kee to themselves. Cell and Darbura are high Ssj level or low ssj2. Those two are rare occurences within U7. Broly is stuck on a planet with no means of escape. Buu sleeps for thousands years at a time. And Frieza and his father are low to mid Ssj tier. So I’d say to be safe if you exclude Buu, Beerus, and Broly. Ha! The three B’s. And frieza doesn’t train. I’d say you’d need Ssj level being to a ssj2 level.
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None. You'd just have to have the courage to evoke Beerus and offer him good food. Continue to make offerings and your planet will always be spared. This is only if we know about Beerus and Whis and if our cries (and delicious desserts) can reach Whis' staff. He'll take care of Raditz, Vegeta, Babidi, Buu, no problem.theherodjl wrote:What I mean by this is what would be the minimal power level one needs to defeat DBZ's villains before they transform or awaken from dormancy?
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