Special Beam Cannon in the Manga

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:56 pm

I asked this at the FUNi Forums once but never got a definitive answer that I could see - Does Piccolo ever use the Special Beam Cannon after the fight with Raditz? I know he does all the time in the anime, but all that I've seen of it is filler. And if he doesn't use it after that fight, why not? Surely after all of his intense training, fusing with Nail, and all that, he'd be able to perform the move with much less effort and time, and make it much more powerful. Any thoughts on this?

Hero 004 · Post by **Hero 004** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:08 pm

Unfortunatly, no, in the manga he doesn't use it after the Raditz fight.

It's a very cool attack and it's drawn very well, so I also would have liked to see it again. But I'm glad that he keeps using it in the anime and through this it becomes his signature move. Filler can definatly be good, and I think Toei really saw that it was needed as a reoccuring technique. I'm glad that they took this oppertunity, one of my favorite instances is when he uses it against Perfect Cell during the Kamehameha struggle.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:06 pm

This is just another example of why I dislike the fight with Freeza, I mean, seriously, if Gohan, Vegeta, and Krillin had all grabbed Freeza, I am sure that Piccolo could have charged up a Makankosappo strong enough to drill right through Freeza's head. Not to mention numerous opportunities to Kienzan Freeza that were missed.

Of course, I am speaking as though DBZ were a real life and death struggle, not an anime fight.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:13 pm

Yeah, at least Cell was immune to the kienzan...

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:26 pm

omegacwa wrote:This is just another example of why I dislike the fight with Freeza, I mean, seriously, if Gohan, Vegeta, and Krillin had all grabbed Freeza

Freeza would have swatted them away or deflected the SBC like he did Vegeta's attack or took it head-on with no real damage like he did Goku's x20 Kamehameha.

Humpski · Post by **Humpski** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:42 pm

Terra-jin wrote:Yeah, at least Cell was immune to the kienzan...

No he wasn't. That was filler. If it had happened in the Manga he would have lost his head (Which would have grown back, but that's besides the point).

In the Manga, Kienzan is unstoppable.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:45 pm

Humpski wrote:No he wasn't. That was filler. If it had happened in the Manga he would have lost his head (Which would have grown back, but that's besides the point).

In the Manga, Kienzan is unstoppable.

I think you missed the point. Terran may've been talking in just the context of the anime, since he (or she?) was replying to a conversation about the "Beam Cannon" being used in said format. So essentially, in this universe/canon, it can be stopped. Taking that into account, the fact it can't be stopped in the manga is irrelevant in this matter.

And hey, what do ya' know, yet another difference between the anime and manga.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:09 pm

There were a lot of moves only used once in the manga, but multiple times in the anime. Yamcha's So Ki Dan, and Tien's Four Bodies Split are others, though in the anime we see Piccolo and Krillin use the latter.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:14 pm

Filler also likes making villians seem stronger, and the original cast seem weaker for some reason. IE Kuririn's kien-zan against Cell of course, and Tenshinhan's kiko-ho against Super Boo is another example. Oh yeah, Chaozu getting blasted by Nappa the "first" time he tries to hold him.

DemonKingPiccolo · Post by **DemonKingPiccolo** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:32 pm

Drunken Master wrote:Filler also likes making villians seem stronger, and the original cast seem weaker for some reason. IE Kuririn's kien-zan against Cell of course, and Tenshinhan's kiko-ho against Super Boo is another example. Oh yeah, Chaozu getting blasted by Nappa the "first" time he tries to hold him.

Well, with weak villians, the story would be quite uninteresting. We all secretly like to see the good guys struggle to win, it gives the story a more "epic" feel, even if it is filler. But I also agree that sometimes the fillers don't make sense.

king jro · Post by **king jro** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:06 pm

He did use it once in GT to get Baby Gohans attention but the Gohan just kills him easily wtf.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:34 pm

king jro wrote:He did use it once in GT to get Baby Gohans attention but the Gohan just kills him easily wtf.

A Super Saiyan 2 swatting Piccolo aside like nothing? SHOCKGASPHORROR

The S · Post by **The S** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:02 pm

Did anyone else use the Makkankosappou in the manga other than Piccolo (Cell, Boo)?

BtW, Gyt Kaliba, best. Sig quote. Ever!

Gyt Kaliba · Post by **Gyt Kaliba** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:34 pm

The S wrote:Did anyone else use the Makkankosappou in the manga other than Piccolo (Cell, Boo)?

BtW, Gyt Kaliba, best. Sig quote. Ever!

I can't say for certain (which is obvious since I'm the one asking the question), but as I understand it both of their uses were filler as well. As I understand it anyway.

LOL, I dunno, I'm rather partial to the 'Future Gohan with 2 arms? You rip that off right now mister!' one.

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:08 am

I know Duo is (or at least was) under the belief that Pikkoro uses the Makankosappo in a modified form during the battle with Nappa, when he and Kuririn fire off ki blasts after Gohan panics during their combination attack. The general design of the beam is the same as the Makankosappo (central beam with a smaller beam spiraling around it in a "screw" like fashion), and it would also make sense that he'd improve on the technique during the year they have between Radittsu's death and the other Saiya-jins' arrival.

As for other characters using it, outside of filler scenes none come to mind.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:15 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote:LOL, I dunno, I'm rather partial to the 'Future Gohan with 2 arms? You rip that off right now mister!' one. :lol:

You're all so very welcome! :D

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:22 am

Darkprince410 wrote:I know Duo is (or at least was) under the belief that Pikkoro uses the Makankosappo in a modified form during the battle with Nappa, when he and Kuririn fire off ki blasts after Gohan panics during their combination attack. The general design of the beam is the same as the Makankosappo (central beam with a smaller beam spiraling around it in a "screw" like fashion), and it would also make sense that he'd improve on the technique during the year they have between Radittsu's death and the other Saiya-jins' arrival.

As for other characters using it, outside of filler scenes none come to mind.

Seemed logical to me that Piccolo could put out a Makankosappo of power equal to the one used against Raditz with that much less effort due to improving so drastically over the course of the 10 and a half months. But yes, he does us both hands for this attack, but that aside, the attack looks and acts exactly the same.

Reminds me of the obscurity of Piccolo using the Masenko against Freeza much later on. People just don't notice.

Luffy · Post by **Luffy** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:04 am

He uses something against Nappa that looks like it.
The beam is like the Makenkosappothingy, but he fires it with both hes hands.

Darkprince410 · Post by **Darkprince410** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:05 pm

That's the ki attack that Duo and I both believe is a modified version of the Makankosappo, since as you pointed out, there are similarities between the ki blast and the confirmed Makankosappo.

Catterix2006 · Post by **Catterix2006** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:47 pm

He also uses it in filler before that, with one hand and charged up extremely fast, I believe.

In the filler episode when Piccolo is training Gohan, where Kakarot's spaceship starts sending out a message to "Kill all lifeforms", Piccolo uses a small Special beam Cannon then destroy it.

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