Fan Works Explosion

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:48 pm

MartianOddity wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:The End.
It's wonderful. I love his charisma!!

And Gohan had the Mystic look after he died too. GT tip: He lost it. In the woods. Somewhere...nasty and...dark. In a cat. Or something.

Better yet, he threw it away during spring cleaning..

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:20 am

Spoiler:

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:38 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Spoiler:

Actually, in my Fanfic, Gohan is still "Mystic." One of the many plotholes I'm patching. In fact, as a Tuffle later on, he gets to wail on Uub and Buu at the same time (And might later possibly face off against the "combination" of two certain Saiyans who, unlike him, have been training...).

If he is mystic then he could basically own everyone on the show except SSJ4 Gogeta.. Crap, GT is so confusing.. I'm definately going to write my own GT fanfic now which is obviously going to include Oob in a gi that Goku has worn.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:08 am

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:
Spoiler:

Actually, in my Fanfic, Gohan is still "Mystic." One of the many plotholes I'm patching. In fact, as a Tuffle later on, he gets to wail on Uub and Buu at the same time (And might later possibly face off against the "combination" of two certain Saiyans who, unlike him, have been training...).

If he is mystic then he could basically own everyone on the show except SSJ4 Gogeta...

Not really... (Pet peeve = Massive overrating of Gohan's mystic powers; make no mistake, he's cool, and I am a big Gohan fan, but still, come on...). Uub beats him after merging with Buu in my fic (I give Uub bigger roles, in case you couldn't tell) but then gets beaten by Babi-Vegeta.

Gaah! Stop making me reveal things!

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:27 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:Not really... (Pet peeve = Massive overrating of Gohan's mystic powers; make no mistake, he's cool, and I am a big Gohan fan, but still, come on...). Uub beats him after merging with Buu in my fic (I give Uub bigger roles, in case you couldn't tell) but then gets beaten by Babi-Vegeta.

Uub is Kid Buu. Kid Buu plus Mr. Buu equals Super Gotenks Buu?

And the whole point of Mystic was to unlock all of Gohan's potential. It's not affected by training, it keeps his full power always ready to be used. SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta might be able to beat him, but noone but Vegetto or Gogeta is guaranteed to.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:08 pm

::sigh:: I had hoped it wouldn't come to this... Guess I should get it over with. Please read this carefully, and you'll understand my points.

Other than to have some fun revising what was overall a suckily handled concept and story, one of my goals in this FanFiction is to exercise and show some of my own ideas/conclusions regarding DragonBall, rather than turn them into heated debates on here. And possibly the most prominent among them is thus:

--- For warriors or any other character, from the moment they're born, to the moment they die, there is always room for improvement, no matter what level you've acheived, or what powerup you've received, or who you're a reincarnation of. ---

One's "full potential" is infinite, and time is the only true barrier to how much of it one ends up with access to. I don't believe in unbreakable ceilings, no matter what the circumstances. I've never seen any definite limit be reached, in which a character, other than those designed with a set power (i.e. Androids, and possibly the Buus), has acheived an absolute maximum of power, and never been able to improve beyond it.

So, that considered, within the world of my story...

Rocketman wrote: Uub is Kid Buu. Kid Buu plus Mr. Buu equals Super Gotenks Buu?

Uub = A human, with Kid Buu's power.

Note the "human" aspect. Uub is definitely not "the same" as Kid Buu, in that he's human, and he's kind-hearted. As a reincarnation, he was born with Kid Buu's power(s) available to him, but that's about the only similarity I ever saw, besides the name. The Buus probably can't improve themselves by training, but humans definitely can. I don't see why Uub wouldn't be able to become stronger just like any other human. It's not that hard to believe that Uub would improve beyond what he had by default, especially with a teacher like Goku. So in my fanfiction, Uub, by training with Goku for 10 years, has not only brought out the strength of Kid Buu that was dormant within him, but surpassed it. Because of being Kid Buu's reincarnation, he has much more power to begin with, and grows at a faster rate than a normal human. He ends up, at the start of my fanfiction, much stronger than Kid Buu was. Probably around Super Buu's power, maybe more. (If you've read the first chapter I put up, then he and Goku obviously held back and/or evened themselves out either way for their tournament match, and Goku won because of his superior skill and experience) After merging with Buu, he's extremely powerful. The only heroes more powerful than him after that are Goku, Vegeta, and Gogeta at Super Saiyan 4, only because I've upped the "special-ness" of that stage, too.

Speaking of being special...

- Gohan's mystic powerup brought out his hidden power, yes. But as far as I can tell, it wasn't this gynourmous thing everyone makes it out to be. Again, I return to the "Unbreakable Ceiling" concept. "Bringing out one's hidden potential" doesn't have to mean "unlock all the power one will ever be capable of having if he trained (Super Saiyan stages and all aside, I think training creates strength and capabilities, rather than "accesses" them) nonstop for years thereafter." It doesn't make any sense to me. If that's what it meant, then if Mystic Gohan's power level is his "potential" realized, then on Namek, Gohan should have been able to squash Freeza like an ant after having his "potential" brought out by Saichoro. But he didn't. Recoome beat him up easily not long after. Same thing with Buu. He got his "potential" released by Old Kaio, and it was one hell of a powerup, sure, allowing him to smack Super Buu around, but it obviously wasn't this omnipotent "universal pwnage factor" it's constantly made out to be. Hence his eventual defeat by Super Gotenks Buu. In fact, in my interpretation within this fiction, Old Kaio's powerup was more similiar to Saichoro's than anything else, bringing out his "immediate potential" then and there, but also organizing it into one, big, stage-less mass, hence the missing SSj/SSj2, and allowing him to channel his power more efficiently and effectively.

All that considered, it comes down to what I said happened. Gohan's power has degraded a bit in the 20 years since Buu, since he hasn't trained much at all. Uub has trained himself beyond the power he had to begin with, by default, but still not quite to what Gohan had and still has. However, Uub's already massive power is nearly doubled when he merges with Buu, making him more than a match for Gohan, but ultimately not enough to beat Babi.

::Phew::

That's kinda out of character for me... I don't usually make "debate rants" like that.

Anyway... there's my stance on that, and I hope I made some sense. If you want to discuss it, then please do... but somewhere else. PM me about it if you wish. But this isn't what this thread is about.

So please, let's just mark my FanFic and anything I say about it as "artistic license," and get back to the FanWorks, okay?

I'll put up more FanArt soon, promise.

EDIT: Re-worded and added a thing or two. I was in a rush earlier. Spent about a alf hour on the edit, so sorry if I missed any replies...

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:29 pm

Fair enough.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:33 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Random suggestion for those who are doing DBGT fanfics: The reason why Gohan is no longer "Mystic" is because after your recieve a power-up from the Elder Kai, it releases your maximum potential/ hidden powers that you can ever achieve in your life. Since Gohan died after fighting Buu, you could always play it off like that is the reason he is no longer "mystic". Just a suggestion.

Huh. Well, I guess that explains it for me! haha, I never noticed that, good stuff Mr.Piccolo, good stuff. I feel like Gohan when I say/type your name XD.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:46 pm

Snail wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:Random suggestion for those who are doing DBGT fanfics: The reason why Gohan is no longer "Mystic" is because after your recieve a power-up from the Elder Kai, it releases your maximum potential/ hidden powers that you can ever achieve in your life. Since Gohan died after fighting Buu, you could always play it off like that is the reason he is no longer "mystic". Just a suggestion.
Huh. Well, I guess that explains it for me! haha, I never noticed that, good stuff Mr.Piccolo, good stuff. I feel like Gohan when I say/type your name XD.

So it begins, mwhahaha! Thanks, I thought that was one solution to make the loss of his mystic/ultimate power up.. I said I was planning on doing a GT fanfic but I'm very lazy and I don't like to rush art, so keep your eyes open sometime 2008

Maker777 · Post by **Maker777** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:00 pm

I did this. Not a story or a sketch, but 3D

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3588/drna2.jpg

MartianOddity · Post by **MartianOddity** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 9:01 am

Snail wrote:
Mr.Piccolo wrote:Random suggestion for those who are doing DBGT fanfics: The reason why Gohan is no longer "Mystic" is because after your recieve a power-up from the Elder Kai, it releases your maximum potential/ hidden powers that you can ever achieve in your life. Since Gohan died after fighting Buu, you could always play it off like that is the reason he is no longer "mystic". Just a suggestion.
Huh. Well, I guess that explains it for me! haha, I never noticed that, good stuff Mr.Piccolo, good stuff. I feel like Gohan when I say/type your name XD.

As I said, you clearly see that he still has his "mystic" look even efter he's dead. BUT, when he's become a professor, that look dissapears, meaning that the "mystic" may be a transformation after all, since Gohan had to do the thing he did when he became a Super Saiyan to achieve his new powers.
In GT, I would believe that he'd got so weakened that the transformation wasn't enough. At that point only Super Saiyan would be enough.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:01 pm

Maker777 wrote:I did this. Not a story or a sketch, but 3D
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3588/drna2.jpg

Shweet.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:03 pm

Maker777, was this picture a part of that graphics project you were doing? I remember you asking for a picture of Chibi Gohan with a dragonball or something. If you have more, I'd like to see it. The radar came out very well.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:26 pm

MartianOddity wrote:In GT, I would believe that he'd got so weakened that the transformation wasn't enough. At that point only Super Saiyan would be enough.

That's like saying "Super Saiyan wasn't enough, so he had to use Kaioken instead". Mystic, whatever exactly it is, is massively stronger than Super Saiyan on Gohan.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:29 pm

Okay, guys, c'mon. Enough about Mystic Gohan. Go discuss it somewhere else (even make a new thread if you dare, but I think it was discussed somewhat recently). This is a thread for showing off you homemade DB stuff, not to start a debate of any kind or scale.

Maker777 · Post by **Maker777** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:54 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Maker777, was this picture a part of that graphics project you were doing? I remember you asking for a picture of Chibi Gohan with a dragonball or something. If you have more, I'd like to see it. The radar came out very well.

Yea it was. If any body has a pic of the Banso en I would really appreciate it.

MartianOddity · Post by **MartianOddity** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:43 pm

Rocketman wrote:
MartianOddity wrote:In GT, I would believe that he'd got so weakened that the transformation wasn't enough. At that point only Super Saiyan would be enough.
That's like saying "Super Saiyan wasn't enough, so he had to use Kaioken instead". Mystic, whatever exactly it is, is massively stronger than Super Saiyan on Gohan.

Well, yes it is! No it isn't!

But Myschtik ish spechial!!

Ok then. I'll quit.

Bardock the Mexican never commented my Bardock drawing that I spent 20 minutes on drawing. That probably means he didn't like it. Bohoooo!

Anyways, nice Dragon Radar over there. Totally missed it before.

At least I'M commenting!

Maker777 · Post by **Maker777** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:19 pm

MartianOddity wrote:Anyways, nice Dragon Radar over there. Totally missed it before.

At least I'M commenting!

Thank

Heres the Nyoi-bo(think thats right) or if you prefer the Power pole.

The background looked one shade of purple with shadows, but when I saved it mooshed everywhere. My friends said it looked better that way so...Meh.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:37 pm

That's like saying "Super Saiyan wasn't enough, so he had to use Kaioken instead".

Well now that you mention it. I always wondered what would happen if Goku went Kaioken while Super Saiyan. Would it multiply his super saiyan power? My guess is it would be too dangerous.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:43 pm

MartianOddity wrote:Well, yes it is! No it isn't!

But Myschtik ish spechial!!

Yeah, it is, asshole. Super Saiyan 2 Gohan did worse than Majin Vegeta against Fat Buu, but as Mystic, he was stronger than both SSJ3s and Super Buu.

Well now that you mention it. I always wondered what would happen if Goku went Kaioken while Super Saiyan. Would it multiply his super saiyan power? My guess is it would be too dangerous.

Most likely. Kaioken already puts you at risk of exploding. Even in fillerland, Goku only used it for a couple of seconds.

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