Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[FoolsGil]

Who the f*** is that fox?

Dude that's Fennekin. He. is. Awesome.

[BlazingBarrrager]

Who the f*** is that fox?

Dude that's Fennekin. He. is. Awesome.

Seems a little early for Babidi to be calling in his minions don't you think?

[coola]

Vegeta probably enjoyed more watching Kakarotto dying than fight If Raditz will get that power up, Kakarotto is in for a big surprise

[Noah]

Ultimate Raditz seems to be a pretty BS concept to me

[ekrolo2]

Meh, at least it's an idea somewhat plausible in this context, the real thing to judge it's BS levels is how strong it'll end up making Raditz. It's certainly not as bad as the stuff pertaining to a certain movie character cough Broly cough.

[FoolsGil]

Why is it so hard to put Saiyans down in this series? It's kind of funny, lol

[Cetra]

Who the f*** is that fox?

Dude that's Fennekin. He. is. Awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgTMJZbU2OM

[dario03]

Meh, at least it's an idea somewhat plausible in this context, the real thing to judge it's BS levels is how strong it'll end up making Raditz. It's certainly not as bad as the stuff pertaining to a certain movie character cough Broly cough.

Yeah I'm really wondering how strong he could be. Gohan was so powerful because hes Gohan, I would think Raditz would be less powerful. Don't know if he would beat SS3 Vegeta, though I guess he would still have Oozaru...But wait, does that Vegeta still have a tail too?

[rereboy]

Ultimate Raditz seems to be a pretty BS concept to me

Why? Any character can be ultimate, they only have to receive Kaioshin's upgrade. Which means that the only thing stopping a character from being ultimate is a reason for Kaioshin to give them the upgrade. That's exactly what Radditz is doing, he's trying to give a reason for Kaioshin to do it.

Why is it so hard to put Saiyans down in this series? It's kind of funny, lol

Saiyans are portrayed as being incredibly resistant and resilient in the manga. Vegeta, in Namek, after asking Krillin to hurt him, had a hole in him pretty much like Kakarotto and Vegeta remained conscious for a good while and alive for even more time, until Dende finally decided to heal him.

[Noah]

Why? Any character can be ultimate, they only have to receive Kaioshin's upgrade. Which means that the only thing stopping a character from being ultimate is a reason for Kaioshin to give them the upgrade. That's exactly what Radditz is doing, he's trying to give a reason for Kaioshin to do it.

Well, yes... But was Raditz built to have some hidden potential like Gohan? No. That's why I think is a total BS.

[Darkron2151]

Well, yes... But was Raditz built to have some hidden potential like Gohan? No. That's why I think is a total BS.

Hidden potential, in essence, just means power that hasn't been tapped into yet, and the ways of tapping into that power can be normal (training, ki manipulation) or abnormal (rituals, transformations, etc.) means. Pretty much everyone has "Hidden Potential" if they haven't reached their absolute peak yet. And as we've seen with SSG Goku, a new realm of power (with potential increases beyond that) can occur, despite seemingly reaching different plateaus in the past. As for how much one has, we don't know. And we can't say whether or not Raditz, or any character for that matter, has hit their natural best yet in the series (Multiverse). And the thing with Elder Kaioshin is that he can actually bring one past their normal limits or their "potential". What does matter, however, is how much one has. In Gohan's case, he has A LOT, and brought past even that with the ritual. Raditz, well, we'll see. Most likely not nearly as much as Gohan's, or any other saiyan for that matter, but the concept of seeing how strong Raditz could truly be is interesting.

[ekrolo2]

Why? Any character can be ultimate, they only have to receive Kaioshin's upgrade. Which means that the only thing stopping a character from being ultimate is a reason for Kaioshin to give them the upgrade. That's exactly what Radditz is doing, he's trying to give a reason for Kaioshin to do it.

Well, yes... But was Raditz built to have some hidden potential like Gohan? No. That's why I think is a total BS.

Gohan exists throughout the entirety of Z while Raditz dies merely a few chapters after his introduction and is promptly forgotten about. Its not exactly a fair comparison but like I said, if his strength increase isn't something ridiculous I think it can be allowed to slide.

[Hellspawn28]

Radditz already lost. So why would he need to become mystic?

[Darkron2151]

Radditz already lost. So why would he need to become mystic?

He wants power for power's sake? He also has a universe to return to at the end of the tournament, and I'd doubt he wants to remain at the bottom of the Saiyan pecking order.

EDIT: Either that or he is the genuine "I'll get rid of everything evil in my universe" good guy that he proposed to Elder Kaioshin in exchange for the power.

[rereboy]

Why? Any character can be ultimate, they only have to receive Kaioshin's upgrade. Which means that the only thing stopping a character from being ultimate is a reason for Kaioshin to give them the upgrade. That's exactly what Radditz is doing, he's trying to give a reason for Kaioshin to do it.

Well, yes... But was Raditz built to have some hidden potential like Gohan? No. That's why I think is a total BS.

That just does mean that he won't be as powerful as Ultimate Gohan. But, for his goals, he doesn't have to be. Ending up stronger is already a worthwhile objective for Radditz, but what he really wants is to become stronger than his comrades, and he doesn't need to be as strong as Gohan for that.

Radditz already lost. So why would he need to become mystic?

Because he would keep it when they return to their own universe. He doesn't need to, he wants to. None of the Saiyans from that universe need to since they have already defeated all their enemies in their universe, they just want more power/advantages.

[Doctor.]

That just does mean that he won't be as powerful as Ultimate Gohan. But, for his goals, he doesn't have to be. Ending up stronger is already a worthwhile objective for Radditz, but what he really wants is to become stronger than his comrades, and he doesn't need to be as strong as Gohan for that.

If he gets stronger than Vegeta, then he gets pretty close.

[rereboy]

That just does mean that he won't be as powerful as Ultimate Gohan. But, for his goals, he doesn't have to be. Ending up stronger is already a worthwhile objective for Radditz, but what he really wants is to become stronger than his comrades, and he doesn't need to be as strong as Gohan for that.

If he gets stronger than Vegeta, then he gets pretty close.

Not really. At the very least, it greatly depends on the interpretation of the power scale in the Buu saga.

A mainstream interpretation is that SSJ Gotenks was at least as strong as SSJ3 Goku. Meaning that SSJ3 Gotenks was at least 4 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku. And Gohan was significantly stronger than that.

Meanwhile, this Vegeta is a fresh SSJ3 fighter, which means that he's not even as strong as Goku was in the Buu saga yet.

Ultimate Radditz could be 3 times weaker than Ultimate Gohan and he would still be pretty above this Vegeta which would be more than 4 times weaker than Ultimate Gohan. And Ultimate Radditz doesn't even need to actually be stronger than Vegeta since, as long as he is about the same, the drain of SSJ3 would be the deciding factor between them.

Even though DBM's interpretation regarding this isn't pinpoint clear, they do seem to lean towards something similar to that mainstream interpretation.

And we do have to remember that Kaioshin's upgrade is supposed to bring forth the fighter's potential far beyond his limits, and make him not even need transformations (which was why Gohan didn't need to use SSJ3 or any SSJ, even though he was far stronger than he would be if he had reached SSJ3 instead of achieving Ultimate). So, even for Radditz, the upgrade should be a big deal and make him stronger than he would be with transformations (aka SSJ3).

[TonyTheTiger]

Raditz is Goku's brother. Is it really so outrageous that he might have comparable potential? It's certainly not any crazier than Super Saiyan Bardock.

[ekrolo2]

Raditz is Goku's brother. Is it really so outrageous that he might have comparable potential? It's certainly not any crazier than Super Saiyan Bardock.

I wouldn't use Episode of Bardock as a good defense for Ultimate Raditz though, that whole inclusion isn't exactly well liked either.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Maybe it wasn't, but it still stands that such a thing happened in an official capacity, so it's not so outrageous for a fan made thing to at least do something interesting with Raditz at last either.