Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[TonyTheTiger]

Raditz is Goku's brother. Is it really so outrageous that he might have comparable potential? It's certainly not any crazier than Super Saiyan Bardock.

I wouldn't use Episode of Bardock as a good defense for Ultimate Raditz though, that whole inclusion isn't exactly well liked either.

That's my point. Episode of Bardock was stupid as shit. And if that isn't too stupid to happen, well...

[Tsufuru]

its a fan manga they can do what they want with raditz.
if it turns out he have potencial than you have to accept it, especialy when we only know he is a low class saiyan.

[dario03]

That just does mean that he won't be as powerful as Ultimate Gohan. But, for his goals, he doesn't have to be. Ending up stronger is already a worthwhile objective for Radditz, but what he really wants is to become stronger than his comrades, and he doesn't need to be as strong as Gohan for that.

If he gets stronger than Vegeta, then he gets pretty close.

Not really. At the very least, it greatly depends on the interpretation of the power scale in the Buu saga.

A mainstream interpretation is that SSJ Gotenks was at least as strong as SSJ3 Goku. Meaning that SSJ3 Gotenks was at least 4 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku. And Gohan was significantly stronger than that.

Meanwhile, this Vegeta is a fresh SSJ3 fighter, which means that he's not even as strong as Goku was in the Buu saga yet.

Ultimate Radditz could be 3 times weaker than Ultimate Gohan and he would still be pretty above this Vegeta which would be more than 4 times weaker than Ultimate Gohan. And Ultimate Radditz doesn't even need to actually be stronger than Vegeta since, as long as he is about the same, the drain of SSJ3 would be the deciding factor between them.

Even though DBM's interpretation regarding this isn't pinpoint clear, they do seem to lean towards something similar to that mainstream interpretation.

And we do have to remember that Kaioshin's upgrade is supposed to bring forth the fighter's potential far beyond his limits, and make him not even need transformations (which was why Gohan didn't need to use SSJ3 or any SSJ, even though he was far stronger than he would be if he had reached SSJ3 instead of achieving Ultimate). So, even for Radditz, the upgrade should be a big deal and make him stronger than he would be with transformations (aka SSJ3).

Isn't SS3 4x SS2 which is 2x SS? So going with SS Gotenks=SS3 would mean SS3 Gotenks is 8x SS3 Goku.

But more importantly I didn't think DBMU went with those multipliers. I thought they didn't have any multipliers stated but went with set levels or tiers. So for instance they said not counting special cases like Fusion and daughters of fusions any SS2 would be stronger than any SS.

[Tzigi]

A relevant comment from half a decade ago:

> Hidden potential and whatnot
In DBM canon opinion:
- Guru (chief Namek) unlocks current potential of a person, as this person grow older it can have more potential. Kulilin could evolve after this upgrade.
- Drinking the real Holy Water in Karin's tower: same as Guru but less painful.
- Babidi "M" makes you stronger, maybe related to some potential.
- Old Kaioshin release your full potential and makes you even stronger, delete any inconvenience in the process (like SSJ and anger)

SSJ is a little like the Kaiohken as it makes you live less, maybe turning SSJ is like taking a smoke... Said by Kaioshin. SSJ is an inconvenience.

Old Kaioshin being the higher God we know, plus with magical special powers, and taking one day to unlock, I think this upgrade deserves it. Therefore, Gohan is SSJ3 all day with no inconvenience, and no loss of power with time.
(...)
> Tiers and PLs in DBM.
Spoiler informations with tiers. There are big tiers, as someone can trash another in it.
There tiers may evolve in DBM and some surprises appear But as I think a transformation is a powerlevel, less than a base multiplyer (eg Goku SSJ1 cant beat Vegeta SSJ2. Vegeta SSJ2 can't beat Goku SSJ3), one transformation basically mean a power level. Fusions are exceptions.

SSJ2 Tier: Goku SSJ2, Vegeta SSJ2, Vegeta M SSJ2, Young Gohan SSJ2, Perfect Cell (DBZ)
SSJ3 Tier: Goku SSJ3 (DBZ), Kid Buu, Super Buu, Base DBZ Vegetto, Young Gotenks SSJ3 (DBZ)
In-between: Mystic Gohan, base Vegetto, Son Bra SSJ1(?)
SSJ"4" Tier: Buu-Gotenks, Buu-Gohan
SSJ"5" Tier: SSJ1 Vegetto, SSJ2 Son Bra
SSJ"6" Tier: SSJ2 Vegetto, Broly at the end of his fight, Buu U4
SSJ"38" Tier: me

Does that mean Vegetto SSJ3 can beat Buu U4? Not clearly. SSJ3 takes all of Vegetto's energy very fast, and Buu still is the most difficult thing to kill in the universe. And if Buu isn't killed, he isn't beaten.

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[ekrolo2]

Can't say I never thought of SSJ like taking a smoke lol but it does make sense as you're essentially making your body produce 50 times its regular power which only goes up the higher up the tiers you go.

[Noah]

Those "tiers" are pretty messed, IMO

[miguelnuva1]

Can't say I never thought of SSJ like taking a smoke lol but it does make sense as you're essentially making your body produce 50 times its regular power which only goes up the higher up the tiers you go.

The fact Goku and Gohan mastered it puts that theory out the window.

I known its Salagir's manga but I don't like it when things get changed or added to uneccassarly.

It was heavily implied ssj1 z sword Gohan surpassed ssj2 Goku.

[ekrolo2]

Can't say I never thought of SSJ like taking a smoke lol but it does make sense as you're essentially making your body produce 50 times its regular power which only goes up the higher up the tiers you go.

The fact Goku and Gohan mastered it puts that theory out the window.

I known its Salagir's manga but I don't like it when things get changed or added to uneccassarly.

It was heavily implied ssj1 z sword Gohan surpassed ssj2 Goku.

I know the mastered forms throw that out the window but not necessarily for the untrained, graded or upper tiers of SSJ. Especially 3 which is pretty much murder to use unless you're dead or a fused being.

[FoolsGil]

Well that's not how potential works... but meh, whatever.

[rereboy]

Isn't SS3 4x SS2 which is 2x SS? So going with SS Gotenks=SS3 would mean SS3 Gotenks is 8x SS3 Goku.

But more importantly I didn't think DBMU went with those multipliers. I thought they didn't have any multipliers stated but went with set levels or tiers. So for instance they said not counting special cases like Fusion and daughters of fusions any SS2 would be stronger than any SS.

You are right of course. I was thinking of SSJ2. What I said would be true if Goku imagined that the boys would reach SSJ2 with their fusion, which could be argued. If he merely expected SSJ1, then it's x8.

[Tzigi]

Well that's not how potential works... but meh, whatever.

Well, that's how potential works in Salagir's DBM.

[coola]

[Darkron2151]

So do they get the Majin boost that comes with it? I wonder if Vegeta will get it as well.

[Noah]

What are Babidi's purposes, anyway?

[ParkerAL]

Love the low, tilted perspective of that last panel. Really lends it a creepy vibe.

[testing223]

Those "tiers" are pretty messed, IMO

Tiers are meaningless anyways since battles can be won outside of pure strength.

XXI is clearly using magic that has its own rules, since we see Vegetto lose despite being the strongest or second strongest.

Bra would've lost to Eleim if he'd hit her skin with his Carbonite.

Zen Buu was (almost) stopped for a while by Gast's telekinesis.

[Fionordequester]

OOOOOOH, looks like stuff's gonna be goin down!

Will Videl fight her way out of this situation?! Can she break free from Babidi's brainwashed n' batty battalion?! Can they subvert the diabolical plans of the sorceror's schizoid servants?! Or will this conjurer's crazy converts visit harm upon our interpred heroes once again?! FIND OUT, on the next EXPLOSIVE episode, of DRAGON BALL MULTIVERSE!!

[BlazingBarrrager]

I love how Vegeta's expression is basically him saying "Not my problem." XD

Well that's not how potential works... but meh, whatever.

Well, that's how potential works in Salagir's DBM.

Yeah he does take his own theories of the canon material with more priority than what was actually stated by Akria and such. I get he's the author, but it's still a little annoying. Making "SSJ like smoking a cigarite" is just something to add to my "list of freaken stupid ideas Salagir makes in DBM."

[KentalSSJ6]

Yes lets kidnap the wife/daughter in law/friend of some of the most powerful beings of the multiverse. Cant wait to see how they screw this up.

[Lord Beerus]

Yes lets kidnap the wife/daughter in law/friend of some of the most powerful beings of the multiverse. Cant wait to see how they screw this up.

They obviously have not watched any of the Taken films.