Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Mewzard · Post by **Mewzard** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:04 pm

Noah wrote:Interesting, a universe that Kaioshins actually do shit to protect the universe, but in Boo Arc it is said that are way above Freeza and his lineage, but they didn't care about his atrocities around the universe, have any reason for them change their minds in this special chapter?

Well, the difference is clear in that Dai Kaioshin is running the show with a group of Kaioshin.

Tzigi · Post by **Tzigi** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:10 pm

Noah wrote:
Tzigi wrote:This particular moment was shown from a different perspective in another special chapter:
Interesting, a universe that Kaioshins actually do shit to protect the universe, but in Boo Arc it is said that are way above Freeza and his lineage, but they didn't care about his atrocities around the universe, have any reason for them change their minds in this special chapter?

Yes, this:

BlazingBarrrager · Post by **BlazingBarrrager** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:20 pm

Tzigi wrote:The trouble is that this idea is impossible in DBM LSSJ lore - here being LSSJ equals beings crazy. Full stop - no possibility of becoming a force of good. A LSSJ is just a mindless killing machine that can do only one thing: destroy everything and die of exhaustion.

I don't know. I mean yeah the power of being the LSSJ might cause some mental issues, but for the most part the reason Broli was full on crazy (or a "true freak" as he says in the movie dub) is because his life has been nothing but hell since he was born. Listening to your neighbor cry non-stop, getting stabbed, forcefully awakening your power to survive a planet explosion, and whatever else that happened before Paragus decided to make Broli his son really had an impact on his psyche.

What's funny though is that Mr. Satan was able to make Broli good like Buu in a "what-if secenorio" in Supersonic Warriors 2. Broli gets ammesia, Mr. Satan finds him, Broli defends him from #18 (who he still hasn't paid), Mr. Satan makes Broli his apprentice, the two enter the Budokai as a tag team, and when Broli sees Goku he regains his memories and goes on a rampage until Mr. Satan calms him down and reminds him of all the good times they had. Broli then stays on Earth living peacefully, although he still can't stand being around Goku.

KentalSSJ6 · Post by **KentalSSJ6** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:56 pm

So I just noticed something.

Look familiar?

Tzigi · Post by **Tzigi** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:53 am

BlazingBarrrager wrote: I don't know. I mean yeah the power of being the LSSJ might cause some mental issues, but for the most part the reason Broli was full on crazy (or a "true freak" as he says in the movie dub) is because his life has been nothing but hell since he was born. Listening to your neighbor cry non-stop, getting stabbed, forcefully awakening your power to survive a planet explosion, and whatever else that happened before Paragus decided to make Broli his son really had an impact on his psyche.

You are confusing your own assumptions taken from the Brolly movies with stuff created by Salagir and "canon" to DBM. In DBM being LSSJ means one can only go crazy from excess power and pain associated with it, go on a rampage destroying everything and then die of exhaustion (because nothing can hurt a LSSJ - well, a sun can because it's well stronger then he). Try reading this chapter of Saiyans' backstory. There you have the LSSJ of 2000 years before DB(M) and his experience of being a LSSJ is covered there in detail.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:54 am

Tzigi wrote:because nothing can hurt a LSSJ - well, a sun can because it's well stronger then he).

For clarity's sake, in DBM canon the LSSJ state simply makes the fighter capable of shrugging off all attacks that aren't powerful enough to overwhelm him decisively. If an attack is capable of overwhelming Broly and his power, he will be defeated and will be possibly hurt. It doesn't have to be the sun. An attack by an overwhelmingly more powerful fighter would act pretty much in the same way.

batistabus · Post by **batistabus** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:55 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Look familiar?

Hah, they do look similar. Bang is awesome.

But just saying, the design came from this.

apex_pretador · Post by **apex_pretador** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:43 am

Power level list for DB multiverse :

Keys :-
k = 1000
M = million

Spoiler:

coola · Post by **coola** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:36 pm

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:55 pm

So if Broli live in peace in Freeza's universe then won't Paragus want to use Broli to over thrown Freeza? Also in Trunks universe, how would they know that Vegeta is dead? I still think having Broli die in Bojack's and Cell's universe was a bad idea. They could have done a decent special with Broli coming back to Earth in those universes.

Regarder · Post by **Regarder** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:15 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:So if Broli live in peace in Freeza's universe then won't Paragus want to use Broli to over thrown Freeza?

Given that there are really infinite universes and the tournament only got a certain selection; yes and no.

Noah · Post by **Noah** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:55 pm

Wow, I think Salagir is one the biggest Broly fanboys I ever seen.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:58 pm

Noah wrote:Wow, I think Salagir is one the biggest Broly fanboys I ever seen.

By making him die in every single universe except the universe where he is mind controlled for the rest of his life and the universe where he just gets frozen in space only to get beaten up by Vegetto when he wakes up?

In one universe Broly even dies because he flew to space blindly hoping to find Goku

Noah · Post by **Noah** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:05 pm

rereboy wrote:By making him die in every single universe except the universe where he is mind controlled for the rest of his life and the universe where he just gets frozen in space only to get beaten up by Vegetto when he wakes up?

He dying or not it doesn't matter because we know that's for plot purposes, I'm talking about the amount of inclusions that he has in this fan-manga, all that backstory stuff, trying to further deepen his story, creating his own concept of a LSSJ, making him on par with a SSJ2 Vegetto post Boo Arc and etc.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:22 pm

Noah wrote:
rereboy wrote:By making him die in every single universe except the universe where he is mind controlled for the rest of his life and the universe where he just gets frozen in space only to get beaten up by Vegetto when he wakes up?
He dying or not it doesn't matter, because we know that's for plot purposes, I'm talking about the amount of inclusions that he has in this fan-manga, all that backstory stuff, trying to further deepen his story, creating his own concept of a LSSJ, making him on par with a SSJ2 Vegetto post Boo Arc and etc.

Honestly, this Broly hate is pretty tiring. You are probably right when you say that Salagir is a fan of Broly. But, so what? How is that affecting the fan manga?

- The only inclusion Broly has in this fan manga is his fight with Vegetto which he lost and was sent to his universe afterwards. Broly was just an obstacle in the tournament.

- Minicomics and filler chapters aren't really a part of the fan manga and are irrelevant because they only exist to give time to the main artists. If time wasn't an issue they wouldn't even exist. Besides that, the specials chapters and minicomics have been about much more than Broly.

- Making an alternate Broly from another universe on par with SSJ2 Vegetto is child's play compared to Freeza (from the main universe) being on par or stronger than SSJG Goku in such a short while because he's a "prodigy". And if one thing is clear regarding Broly is that he doesn't lack potential and he's definitely a prodigy, so, even before the new DB stuff legitimatized this logic, it already wasn't a big leap to assume that an alternate LSSJ from another universe could fight a fusion of two saiyans, even though he was still outclassed.

Heck, we could even a weird alternate weird version of Mr. Satan from another universe that could keep up with Vegetto. He would be from another universe where things are different, so, anything could be true in that universe. The real problem is that Broly is more hated than Mr. Satan.

Noah · Post by **Noah** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:37 pm

rereboy wrote:The only inclusion Broly has in this fan manga is his fight with Vegetto which he lost and was sent to his universe afterwards. Broly was just an obstacle in the tournament.

Minicomics and filler chapters aren't really a part of the fan manga and are irrelevant because they only exist to give time to the main artists. If time wasn't an issue they wouldn't even exist. Besides that, the specials chapters and minicomics have been about much more than Broly.

Making an alternate Broly from another universe on par with SSJ2 Vegetto is child's play compared to Freeza (from the main universe) being on par or stronger than SSJG Goku in such a short while because he's a "prodigy". And if one thing is clear regarding Broly is that he doesn't lack potential and he's definitely a prodigy.

I don't think they're irrelevant, if they try to somehow explain the plot or backstory of a character. I just don't see any character having this same treatment as Broly.

About your comparison: both are horrible in fact, Broly power is just more acceptable because he's a Saiyan and LSSJ was always portrayed as an indomitable beast, but I still find ludicrous to he have achieved a battle power higher as an unnatural being like Vegetto.

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rereboy wrote:Honestly, this Broly hate is pretty tiring. You are probably right when you say that Salagir is a fan of Broly. But, so what? How is that affecting the fan manga?

I don't hate Broly, what I don't like is DBZ games, fans constantly wanking him to be in par with top-tier characters like Gogeta, for example.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:55 pm

I do wonder what universes Buu exist in? I wonder if Buu was ever release out of his shell in Bojack's universe? Babidi would have enough energy from Bojack's warriors. In Cell's universe, Salagir can use the idea from Super Sonic Warriors where Babidi use the Cell Jr's to help him bring back Buu.

Fionordequester · Post by **Fionordequester** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:29 pm

So, here's my question. Does anyone know what this page is referring to as "The Past"?

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:37 pm

Noah wrote:
I don't think they're irrelevant, if they try to somehow explain the plot or backstory of a character. I just don't see any character having this same treatment as Broly.

Notice that the two Broly specials chapters weren't even about the alternate Broly that fights Vegetto but about main Broly. Meaning that they were just about how Salagir fits the two Broly movies into the main universe (which is more or less the manga universe with some filler elements like that).

That's because their concern was really just stalling for time, not making specials that are very relevant to DBM. At the time, DBM was having breaks in its release schedule due to Gogeta Jr's time issues (the main artist) so, it was either those breaks, or something like specials to fill in. And that's how they thought of the specials and thought about showing how the Broly movies might fit in the main universe (from Salagir's point of view) since the tournament, at that time, was at the Broly VS Vegetto fight.

But, even though the tournament was, at that time, at the Broly VS Vegetto fight, how exactly do those specials explain the plot or the backstory of the Broly that fights Vegetto? They don't. There was simply a need to make time for the main artist and so they made those chapters to fill in for time and to explain how those movies might fit in universe 18, which is only marginally relevant to DBM.

Existing just to stall for time is something that is true for all special chapters but unlike the Broly specials, which were the first ones to be thought up to fill in the need to stall for time, the other specials were thought up a little less urgently and so they tried to make them more relevant to DBM and thus they have been about the universes differences.

As for other characters getting the same treatment as Broly, other universes and characters have had the same number of specials as Broly and they actually were more relevant to DBM. Gast, for example.

About your comparison: both are horrible in fact, Broly power is just more acceptable because he's a Saiyan and LSSJ was always portrayed as an indomitable beast, but I still find ludicrous to he have achieved a battle power higher as an unnatural being like Vegetto.

Vegetto is a fusion of two saiyans and Broly is the LSSJ. Just like there might be an universe where Vegetto is a weakling because Goku and Vegeta never amounted to much in that universe, in this universe Broly managed to grow that strong. I don't really see any logical problem with these scenarios, except when we don't like Broly. Especially when the official stuff does things like what I mentioned.

I don't hate Broly, what I don't like is DBZ games, fans constantly wanking him to be in par with top-tier characters like Gogeta, for example.

I encounter more often Broly bashing than Broly wanking, honestly. I rather have neither.

Broly was clearly at around Cell level and SSJ2 Gohan during his movies, so, obviously, he would lose against a much stronger opponent at that time. However, it also seems clear, from his movies, that he has a lot of power potential and that potential seems to be, logically, even bigger than the one Goku and the gang have. So, a fan manga saying that in an alternate universe a version of Broly has grown to be far stronger than he was in his movies many years later? I don't see a problem.

Fionordequester wrote:So, here's my question. Does anyone know what this page is referring to as "The Past"?

When they say the past, they are basically saying that what happened before that point is not different from the events that we know.

BlazingBarrrager · Post by **BlazingBarrrager** » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:30 pm

Regarder wrote:Given that there are really infinite universes and the tournament only got a certain selection; yes and no.

That's...not how Multiverses work. As DBO/XV showed us there can be different "timelines," but they all still occur in the same universe. Super has Whis explaining how there are 12 Universes in Dragonball and how each Universe is connected to another like twins (in this case Universe 6 and Universe 7). While they have similarites (both having an Earth for example) they aren't complete copies like how this Webcomic makes it out to be.

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