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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Fri Dec 25, 2015 8:25 am

BlazingBarrrager wrote:
Regarder wrote:Given that there are really infinite universes and the tournament only got a certain selection; yes and no.
That's...not how Multiverses work. As DBO/XV showed us there can be different "timelines," but they all still occur in the same universe. Super has Whis explaining how there are 12 Universes in Dragonball and how each Universe is connected to another like twins (in this case Universe 6 and Universe 7). While they have similarites (both having an Earth for example) they aren't complete copies like how this Webcomic makes it out to be.
Actually, that's exactly how multiverse works according to some scientific theories. Real world physics theories allow for the existence of infinite universes ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse#Explanation ). If they are infinite, that means infinite possibilities and infinite different universes.

It's up to the author if he wants a finite multiverse or an infinite multiverse in his work, and how much the universes differ from one another is also up to him. Nowhere in DBM is it stated that it's a finite multiverse like in Super.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Tzigi » Fri Dec 25, 2015 8:49 am

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Fionordequester wrote:So, here's my question. Does anyone know what this page is referring to as "The Past"?
When they say the past, they are basically saying that what happened before that point is not different from the events that we know.
Nope. When those past two pages mention "The Past", it means that they are referring to page 68 with its huge heading "The Past":
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:35 am

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Fionordequester wrote:So, here's my question. Does anyone know what this page is referring to as "The Past"?
When they say the past, they are basically saying that what happened before that point is not different from the events that we know.
Nope. When those past two pages mention "The Past", it means that they are referring to page 68 with its huge heading "The Past":
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Which is the events as we know, like I said (from the anime movie).

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Tzigi » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:09 am

rereboy wrote:Which is the events as we know, like I said (from the anime movie).
Well, no. Or at least not exactly - the events are more or less similar but the idea of putting "The Past" into the text was like putting "see page 317" in a scientific book.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by FoolsGil » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:12 am

U8 Paragas Empire vs U8 PTO. That is such a great premise, why isn't that being explored? I would love to see that as a special, even 3 alternating with the main stories

I guess all the villain vs villain battles that should reasonably happen, won't. U3 Daimao won't suffer through a Dr. Gero who's trying to save Earth or conquer it for himself. U6 Bojack won't end up fighting Dabura under Babidi's behest. Speaking of Babidi, U8 Babidi won't decide he needs new meat for his forces and come after the PTO.

Very dissapointing, like I said once before, I don't mind the specials, but give us stories to care about. The villains win in some universes, but there are other villains that we know about. Those factions should be in some winner take all stories. Those are what we should be getting.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:35 am

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rereboy wrote:Which is the events as we know, like I said (from the anime movie).
Well, no. Or at least not exactly - the events are more or less similar but the idea of putting "The Past" into the text was like putting "see page 317" in a scientific book.
What event was different, then? None. Your distinction is meaningless in this case. I mentioned the events as we know them because it's easier to understand what they meant that way.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Tzigi » Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:50 pm

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rereboy wrote:Which is the events as we know, like I said (from the anime movie).
Well, no. Or at least not exactly - the events are more or less similar but the idea of putting "The Past" into the text was like putting "see page 317" in a scientific book.
What event was different, then? None. Your distinction is meaningless in this case. I mentioned the events as we know them because it's easier to understand what they meant that way.
You really can't admit to being wrong, can't you? I have shown what the idea behind mentioning "The Past" as a distinct place in the minicomics was but you still insist that "it was just the same past". No it wasn't. For example the story of Bardock was as shown and explained here:
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"The Past" was the content of a set minicomic page and that's why it was mentioned like this.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Fri Dec 25, 2015 2:43 pm

They were talking about the past regarding broly, which is the same as the events we know from the anime movie prior to meeting the gang. That is not only accurate but it's also the easiest way to explain it to someone who didn't understand what they meant by the past in regards to Broly. Which was what I did, and I even stated "basically".

You can go beyond that and mention that not every single event in the whole timeline of that particular universe coincides with all the official events from the series up to that point,and that that is included in their reference to the past, and that's true enough, but, regarding Broly, which was what the minicomic was talking about, it does coincide, which makes the mentioned distinction, in the case of Broly, meaningless, which is what I pointed out to you in my previous post.

So, in short, I never really disagreed with what you are saying, but it's just not relevant for Broly, which is what this mini comic is talking about.

If you really want to say that you have proven me wrong despite not being able to point out a single event regarding Broly that was different, go right ahead. I don't mind. I would rather you actually understood what I meant which is why I responded to you but whatever.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by coola » Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:47 pm

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I'm sorry, but i call bullsh.t on dinosaurs part, you could see them in both manga and anime as well
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Post by Scarz » Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:52 pm

coola wrote:I'm sorry, but i call bullsh.t on dinosaurs part, you could see them in both manga and anime as well
Maybe just like the Saiyans, he missed a few.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Fri Dec 25, 2015 8:02 pm

That and it's entirely possible that he caused them to go extinct, and they were later brought back to life ala Jurassic Park. I mean, heck, that could be what Dr. Brief did in his spare time just to have more pets for his garden.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by FoolsGil » Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:42 pm

Saligir should change his name to pot, he's the last person to question Toriyama on his story decisions. :lol:

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Post by Skar » Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:33 pm

FoolsGil wrote:Saligir should change his name to pot, he's the last person to question Toriyama on his story decisions. :lol:
There's something worse than retconning a new character to be responsible for a bunch of random events? The "Beerus did it" explanation seems more like a joke than a serious retcon by the author. It's not even that bad compared to the other flaws of Super in my opinion. DBM isn't perfect but to be honest I definitely enjoy it more than I do Super.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by CaBrPi » Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:58 pm

Wait, Beerus put Old Kaioshin in the sword?

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:47 am

Yes. Toriyama said so in a interview and was even mention in Super.
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Post by coola » Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:39 pm

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4th panel is prett funny
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:45 pm

I get the feeling they dont like Beerus.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by TheBritWriter » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:20 pm

I like Beerus a lot more then SSJ3 vegito, the character development of bra, or the yamchax18 subplot, or any of his 'scientific' explanations for that matter. Toriyama hasn't made perfect choices but then salagir hasn't been producing classics himself either. The last two pages aren't funny their just petty, this is someone just throwing their toys out in art form because of how much Beerus has contradicted the work of DBM (who wanted to be seen as the spiritual sequel to DBZ) which is pretty much the case in this.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:27 pm

Beerus has a great personality to his character and he is the most original character we had in a while in my opinion.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by ZombieVito » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:44 pm

What a petty page.

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