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Post by miguelnuva1 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:48 pm

I'd hate Beerus too if one character showed up and shat over 3 years of my fan comic.

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Post by TheBritWriter » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:00 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote:I'd hate Beerus too if one character showed up and shat over 3 years of my fan comic.
But you shouldn't, DBM is a fancomic the dragon ball franchise is always changing, adding new features because it makes money, and as long as it does that then the franchise will continue, if people really want their work to tie in with the show as close as possible then you make a contingency plan and one for that as well. Nobody could had seen Beerus coming, but to think there would never be another dragon ball series is just being naïve and not realising that it's just life.

The dam shame is salagir could had made great use out of Beerus (due to the setting of the comic) but feels making an artistic tantrum was better.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:04 pm

Not to defend Salagir but he does have a point here. Shoehorning Beerus into things he has no business being involved in did get annoying, especially all the stuff with Freeza who Toriyama is trying his fucking hardest to completely destroy lately in both character and back-story.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:18 pm

Why not just write in bold letters all over the page, "Fuck, you Beerus. I hate you.", just to save time.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:21 pm

I think that the page is hilarious. I also think that Toriyama is throwing Beerus into stuff for essentially the same reason. Not to "screw up teh cannon," or whatnot, but just to purposely have a humorous "Beerus did it" joke for annoying questions he gets asked in interviews.
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Post by TonyTheTiger » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:29 pm

DBM took a loose approach to the canon anyway what with some of the movies being shoehorned in, King Cold's power up, and the Bardock special being rewritten just for the hell of it. So even if Beerus does screw with things, they were already kind of screwed up from the start.

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Post by Skar » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:33 pm

TheBritWriter wrote:I like Beerus a lot more then SSJ3 vegito, the character development of bra, or the yamchax18 subplot, or any of his 'scientific' explanations for that matter. Toriyama hasn't made perfect choices but then salagir hasn't been producing classics himself either. The last two pages aren't funny their just petty, this is someone just throwing their toys out in art form because of how much Beerus has contradicted the work of DBM (who wanted to be seen as the spiritual sequel to DBZ) which is pretty much the case in this.
The "Beerus did it" joke has been common since BoG came out. Toriyama is treating BoG and Super as a gag story so I don't think the explanation was intended to be serious from the beginning. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Toriyama makes Beerus responsible for more throughout Dragonball's history by the end of Super.

I don't think Salagir has anything against Beerus or anything new contradicting his work since it's just a fancomic. Salagir included movie characters from the beginning so he never intended for DBM to be 100% canon to the manga. If he was angry about Beerus then this probably would've came out shortly after the movie was released. The artist for the page is Japanese so I'm guessing he thought it was funny too if he agreed to draw it.

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Post by Mewzard » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:54 pm

I can't entirely tell if this is supposed to be playful ribbing or a bit of a spiteful work. Either way, it's not what I was hoping for in terms of Beerus in the minicomic.

Maybe he comes across the tournament and likes it, then it leads to the Multiversal Tournament of his own, or something like that.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:55 pm

What's this? A funny joke and a good page after a sea of crap? The Kanzenshuu community cannot let this stand!
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Post by Noah » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:04 pm

I'm pretty indifferent about Beerus nowadays, there are times that I really hated his character, how he was so powerful just for being a god and gods in DBZ were always treated like jokes and etc.

But my main problem with him is that he was envolved in Planet Vegeta destruction, it breaks the whole backstory as much like DB Minus did. Freeza shouldn't destroy Vegeta because Beerus asked him to do and yes because he wanted to and that he thought Saiyans could be a problem for him in the future.

All that "Beerus did it" is kinda lame IMO
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Post by FoolsGil » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:15 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote:I'd hate Beerus too if one character showed up and shat over 3 years of my fan comic.
I don't know about that. You could say all the universes in the tournament were the ones Beers decided to stay in bed instead of investigating SSJ God

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:30 pm

Freeza always hate the Saiyans, he would still destroy Planet Vegeta even without Beerus.
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Post by Doctor. » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:37 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Freeza always hate the Saiyans, he would still destroy Planet Vegeta even without Beerus.
He didn't mention Beerus at all in Minus, so he did it out of his own will.

Out of all the stuff Beerus has been shoehorned into, this is probably the least important one imo, and yet it's the one fans talk about the most. Just because both Beerus and Freeza wanted to do one thing, does not mean that Freeza did it BECAUSE Beerus wanted to.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:53 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I think that the page is hilarious. I also think that Toriyama is throwing Beerus into stuff for essentially the same reason. Not to "screw up teh cannon," or whatnot, but just to purposely have a humorous "Beerus did it" joke for annoying questions he gets asked in interviews.
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Post by BlazingBarrrager » Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:24 pm

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Hellspawn28 wrote:Freeza always hate the Saiyans, he would still destroy Planet Vegeta even without Beerus.
He didn't mention Beerus at all in Minus, so he did it out of his own will.

Out of all the stuff Beerus has been shoehorned into, this is probably the least important one imo, and yet it's the one fans talk about the most. Just because both Beerus and Freeza wanted to do one thing, does not mean that Freeza did it BECAUSE Beerus wanted to.
I don't know. I mean it's not like Freeza could say "no" to Beerus or anything. He probably just kept that little part a secret from everyone else so he wouldn't look bad in front of his men. I mean yeah his fear of the "Super Saiyan Legend" was a contributing factor, but really I don't think Beerus would like someone doing his job without his consent. Considering how scared Freeza was when he noticed Beerus in "Revival of F..."

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by jcogginsa » Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:47 pm

I like to think Beerus just called Frieza on his space phone right before he got out of his ship to blow up Planet Vegeta and sleepily told him to blow up Vegeta

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Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:41 pm

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Hellspawn28 wrote:Freeza always hate the Saiyans, he would still destroy Planet Vegeta even without Beerus.
He didn't mention Beerus at all in Minus, so he did it out of his own will.

Out of all the stuff Beerus has been shoehorned into, this is probably the least important one imo, and yet it's the one fans talk about the most. Just because both Beerus and Freeza wanted to do one thing, does not mean that Freeza did it BECAUSE Beerus wanted to.
I don't know. I mean it's not like Freeza could say "no" to Beerus or anything. He probably just kept that little part a secret from everyone else so he wouldn't look bad in front of his men. I mean yeah his fear of the "Super Saiyan Legend" was a contributing factor, but really I don't think Beerus would like someone doing his job without his consent. Considering how scared Freeza was when he noticed Beerus in "Revival of F..."
But then how would explain Majin Boo spending God knows how many years destroying planets and Beerus not giving a fuck about it or even knowing that it happened? Hell, Beerus didn't even know who Majin Boo was until Battle Of Gods. And considering how old the both of them are and how long Majin Boo spent ramping in the universe, how the hell did they not know of each other's existence? Yet King Cold know very well about the both of them. :?

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:05 pm

I'm kinda of two minds on this one really. I'd give Salagir benefit of the doubt that the page isn't really meant to be 'petty' really, but it could certainly be taken that way easily enough. I could also understand someone being annoyed about new material coming along that either causes a contradiction to their material or they have to just plain not include it - it's the same thing that's come up in regards to my own fic. I've had to temporarily shelve that particular one for the foreseeable future due to the new material, since I want it to fit with the series at large. But just ignoring particular material and moving onward is a perfectly acceptable way to go about it as well. It all depends on what you want to do with your own story in the end.
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Post by Saiga » Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:18 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:I think that the page is hilarious. I also think that Toriyama is throwing Beerus into stuff for essentially the same reason. Not to "screw up teh cannon," or whatnot, but just to purposely have a humorous "Beerus did it" joke for annoying questions he gets asked in interviews.
Sometimes I think people give Toriyama too much credit. I think he just does it because it's a fairly common issue with introducing a new character and trying to connect them to everything. I mean, it does make sense to try and make him seem important when he's the new hotness.

I thought these two pages were funny and not petty at all. Pointed out the level that Beerus is shoehorned is not that same as saying you hate him.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by miguelnuva1 » Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:53 am

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miguelnuva1 wrote:I'd hate Beerus too if one character showed up and shat over 3 years of my fan comic.
But you shouldn't, DBM is a fancomic the dragon ball franchise is always changing, adding new features because it makes money, and as long as it does that then the franchise will continue, if people really want their work to tie in with the show as close as possible then you make a contingency plan and one for that as well. Nobody could had seen Beerus coming, but to think there would never be another dragon ball series is just being naïve and not realising that it's just life.

The dam shame is salagir could had made great use out of Beerus (due to the setting of the comic) but feels making an artistic tantrum was better.
I think your missing my point.

Salagir has been giving us, Vegito, Super Broly, Zen Buu ect and thinks these characters and his story are the best thing to happened to the franchise in a long time. Beerus then shows up and everyone loves this new character and wants him placed in DBM where Salagir can't change to accommodate Beerus.

I'm merely saying I can see why Salagir wouldn't like Beerus.

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