Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[miguelnuva1]

Can someone prove that Goku can survive a planet explosion or are we assuming he can just because a weaker foe can survive it,

[Hellspawn28]

version he loses are Pre Crisis,Cosmic Armor and Strange Visitor.

There is Superman Prime One Million. I also do think that Superboy Prime after he got the power up in the Count Down would win too since the blast that he tanked nearly wipe out the whole universe. So far, Goku has not tank something like that. Besides if I still think that there is many comic book characters that could beat Goku. Doctor Manhattan from Watchmen could still beat Goku.

[Khin]

version he loses are Pre Crisis,Cosmic Armor and Strange Visitor.

There is Superman Prime One Million. I also do think that Superboy Prime after he got the power up in the Count Down would win too since the blast that he tanked nearly wipe out the whole universe. So far, Goku has not tank something like that. Besides if I still think that there is many comic book characters that could beat Goku. Doctor Manhattan from Watchmen could still beat Goku.

Super Prime 1 Million is so featless that its almost impossible to gauge his power.Most of his abilities are just assumed by fanboys.I remember reading a thread on comicvine debunking him.It's stupid to have him in vs debates because he's featless.

Superman Prime 1 Million is like End of GT Goku.

I don't really count Superboy as a version of Superman but even if he is.On the bolded sentence in your post.Base Goku after losing the god power literally punch out a sun-like ball that was going to wipe out the universe.Current Champa Arc Goku should be way above than his BOG Arc self and should be approaching Beerus' power who is Universal +.

[dario03]

version he loses are Pre Crisis,Cosmic Armor and Strange Visitor.

There is Superman Prime One Million. I also do think that Superboy Prime after he got the power up in the Count Down would win too since the blast that he tanked nearly wipe out the whole universe. So far, Goku has not tank something like that. Besides if I still think that there is many comic book characters that could beat Goku. Doctor Manhattan from Watchmen could still beat Goku.

Super Prime 1 Million is so featless that its almost impossible to gauge his power.Most of his abilities are just assumed by fanboys.I remember reading a thread on comicvine debunking him.It's stupid to have him in vs debates because he's featless.

Superman Prime 1 Million is like End of GT Goku.

I don't really count Superboy as a version of Superman but even if he is.On the bolded sentence in your post.Base Goku after losing the god power literally punch out a sun-like ball that was going to wipe out the universe.Current Champa Arc Goku should be way above than his BOG Arc self and should be approaching Beerus' power who is Universal +.

A lot of people don't since he is so different. But then again there are tons of differences between other versions of Superman and most usually count them all as Superman. He is Clark Kent aka Kal-El from Krypton...I don't know that's always been something I've found kind of odd about Superboy-Prime.
Its like if there was a bunch of time splits in DB that caused multiple Gokus who varied in power and personality (but still good) we would count all of them as Goku. But if there was a split that caused him to be extremely powerful but evil would we not? What if he was good and then became evil? Would we call him Kakarot Prime?

[Polyphase Avatron]

My reaction to everyone still arguing on this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g27Q17QlXpE

[Bullza]

Can someone prove that Goku can survive a planet explosion or are we assuming he can just because a weaker foe can survive it,

I don't know if it can be proven. That a weaker and injured character like Frieza survived the explosion is the main reason I suppose.

But before Namek did explode Frieza did say to Goku something like "will the explosion kill you OR will you survive only to die in the vacuum of space?". There were a couple comments like that which implied that the planet exploding in his face wasn't necessarily going to be the thing that killed him. Frieza also made a comment were he said that if he were caught in the planets explosion he'd lose even more power so he knew it wasn't going to kill him before it even happened.

Of course then it didn't kill Frieza so it makes it seem as though Goku could have survived it as well but then would have simply suffocated afterwards.

[rereboy]

Can someone prove that Goku can survive a planet explosion or are we assuming he can just because a weaker foe can survive it,

Freeza surviving a planetary explosion with half his body missing and almost no Ki is compelling evidence. Other than Goku being drawn actually surviving a planet exploding in the manga, there is no stronger evidence that Goku would survive it if he didn't need to breathe.

[miguelnuva1]

See here's my thing, Frieza is a lot more durable than Goku despite being weaker than we have Earth's explosion killing a SSJGSS Vegeta. You could even argue Semi Perfect Cell's explosion.

[Khin]

See here's my thing, Frieza is a lot more durable than Goku despite being weaker than we have Earth's explosion killing a SSJGSS Vegeta. You could even argue Semi Perfect Cell's explosion.

If Freeza is that durable,he won't get his ass kicked by SSj Goku.

And Vegeta can't survive in space.The fact that Beerus said that "he[Freeza] can survive even in space" heavily suggests that Vegeta died due to being unable to survive in space.

[Kamiccolo9]

See here's my thing, Frieza is a lot more durable than Goku despite being weaker than we have Earth's explosion killing a SSJGSS Vegeta. You could even argue Semi Perfect Cell's explosion.

If Freeza is that durable,he won't get his ass kicked by SSj Goku.

And Vegeta can't survive in space.The fact that Beerus said that "he[Freeza] can survive even in space" heavily suggests that Vegeta died due to being unable to survive in space.

I'm more durable than a lizard, but the little guy can take the heat in a desert much better than I can.

"Durability" isn't a catch-all term that applies to every single aspect of one's ability to withstand damage.

[dario03]

See here's my thing, Frieza is a lot more durable than Goku despite being weaker than we have Earth's explosion killing a SSJGSS Vegeta. You could even argue Semi Perfect Cell's explosion.

If Freeza is that durable,he won't get his ass kicked by SSj Goku.

And Vegeta can't survive in space.The fact that Beerus said that "he[Freeza] can survive even in space" heavily suggests that Vegeta died due to being unable to survive in space.

I'm more durable than a lizard, but the little guy can take the heat in a desert much better than I can.

"Durability" isn't a catch-all term that applies to every single aspect of one's ability to withstand damage.

Also they make it sound like Vegeta died instantly. A regular human can survive about a minute in space without a suit, though they would black out in about 15 seconds. Vegeta of course isn't a human but we have seen him and Goku fighting at extreme altitudes so you would think he would have at least as long even if he didn't put up a little shield like Whis.

[rereboy]

See here's my thing, Frieza is a lot more durable than Goku despite being weaker than we have Earth's explosion killing a SSJGSS Vegeta. You could even argue Semi Perfect Cell's explosion.

Freeza isn't exactly more durable. Freeza just can stay alive with more extreme injuries due to how his body works, that's all. In terms of pure, actual, durability and resistance, Freeza would be as affected as Goku if he received a punch from someone twice as strong as him.

Vegeta died because he can't survive in space. That's always the problem with the planet blowing up. Even Freeza, when he was blowing up Namek, didn't argue that the explosion would kill Goku, he just argued that he could survive in space while Goku couldn't.

Also they make it sound like Vegeta died instantly. A regular human can survive about a minute in space without a suit, though they would black out in about 15 seconds. Vegeta of course isn't a human but we have seen him and Goku fighting at extreme altitudes so you would think he would have at least as long even if he didn't put up a little shield like Whis.

Just like they have them talking and not holding their breath when they are at those altitudes because it's convenient for the storytelling, they also go straight to Vegeta dying instead of having him hold on for a while because it's convenient for the storytelling. But that doesn't change the fact that they can't survive in space and that's why they die.

[dario03]

Perhaps, or perhaps the planet exploding killed him. Lava to the face or something.

[White Oni]

Can I ask the question everyone should be wondering?

How is this subject relevant at all?


We know for a fact that goku is unimaginably more durable than planet surviving beings.

Yes I know that has been said, but allow me to expand.

The brute force imposed on any inhabitent of an exploding planet the size of namek would obviously be dangerous to weaker fighters but we see it didnt kill a seriously mutilated frieza who was extremely low on Ki...

Ok so we know that brute force is something frieza has been exposed to before, via Goku's fist. And he has dished out punches of almost equal force against him. Now these punches, given, the fact that they were issused to a full KI and bodied frieza, arguably had more force than the exploding planet, given their results on frieza...

So we know that Goku can Definitly tank the force imposed on him by a namek sized planet.

But what about the heat?

Well this is more difficult to confirm.
We could rework the above argument and replace punches with heat based ki blasts.... thats a bit of a stretch, that I'm sure a lot of subern people would not be willing to make.

But all that being said, I still believe its insanely obviously that goku Would survive just by way of a few quotes that seem to heavily suggest it.

Frieza suggesting that goku can't survive in space....

Whis reminding everyone that frieza is alive, not by saying "His race bares the genetic gift of 'resistance to planet explosions'. But tells them that he can breath in space. Seeming to suggest thst THIS is the difference between him and vegeta that made his move so devious and unfair...

But still, I wonder, how is this even relevant to the discussion?

[rereboy]

Perhaps, or perhaps the planet exploding killed him. Lava to the face or something.

That would just be a huge plothole. Freeza didn't survive namek exploding when he was at full power. He survived it with half of his body missing, pratically zero ki and he probably wasn't even conscious at the time. It makes zero sense for SSJB Vegeta, at full power, to be unable to withstand something similar.

[Polyphase Avatron]

So the new ED for DBS has a line translated in the sub I watched that I think applies perfectly to this whole ridiculous debate:

Spoiler:

It's not that simple. There's no answer.

[miguelnuva1]

Perhaps, or perhaps the planet exploding killed him. Lava to the face or something.

That would just be a huge plothole. Freeza didn't survive namek exploding when he was at full power. He survived it with half of his body missing, pratically zero ki and he probably wasn't even conscious at the time. It makes zero sense for SSJB Vegeta, at full power, to be unable to withstand something similar.

Not really Frieza is simoly nore heat resist. Cooler was blasted into the sun and lives, same move killed Broly.

[dbzfan7]

Now everyone can be happy....forever....the end.

[Bullza]

That was great

I do think Goku vs Saitama will become one of the big "VS" debates.

[Noah]

I do think Goku vs Saitama will become one of the big "VS" debates.

Speaking of which, anyone knows when Season 2 is coming up?