Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[Lozjudai]

That was great

I do think Goku vs Saitama will become one of the big "VS" debates.

It really shouldn`t become one.

[Bullza]

Probably not for a while. The problem with One Punch Man is that Season 1 which only had 13 episodes covered 51 chapters if the manga.

There's only about 100 chapters out. These chapters are really short too, some are less than 12 pages.

[rereboy]

Perhaps, or perhaps the planet exploding killed him. Lava to the face or something.

That would just be a huge plothole. Freeza didn't survive namek exploding when he was at full power. He survived it with half of his body missing, pratically zero ki and he probably wasn't even conscious at the time. It makes zero sense for SSJB Vegeta, at full power, to be unable to withstand something similar.

Not really Frieza is simoly nore heat resist. Cooler was blasted into the sun and lives, same move killed Broly.

A piece of his brain was left, that's all. For all you know, bigger pieces of Broly were left after his defeat, they just weren't picked up by the ghetti star.

Not to mention that that's all filler.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Can someone prove that Goku can survive a planet explosion or are we assuming he can just because a weaker foe can survive it,

According to Freeza when Planet Namek was about to explode, SS Goku would have died because Saiyans can't survive in space, not because he the explosion of the planet would kill him.

[Protege]

Super Prime 1 Million is so featless that its almost impossible to gauge his power.Most of his abilities are just assumed by fanboys.I remember reading a thread on comicvine debunking him.It's stupid to have him in vs debates because he's featless.

Superman Prime 1 Million is like End of GT Goku.

I don't really count Superboy as a version of Superman but even if he is.On the bolded sentence in your post.Base Goku after losing the god power literally punch out a sun-like ball that was going to wipe out the universe.Current Champa Arc Goku should be way above than his BOG Arc self and should be approaching Beerus' power who is Universal +.

Superman prime might not have many feats but completely downplaying him and saying that hes completely featless is absurd.

I mean the original depiction of Superman was that he has evolved into this godlike being. And after being sun dipped for 15,000 years and studied under the source who is like an omnipotent deity, upon emerging from the sun, He crushes Solaris in one panel, creates his wife out of a sample of DNA from Solaris, takes a fragment of a doomed planet and transforms it into a full blown living world. He has been stated to have circumnavigated the Universe, wrestled evil Gods, and fought battles unimaginable. This being is something you can’t put into words.

Meanwhile what feats does Goku currently have? His fight with beerus where we see a couple planets being destroyed from his shockwaves and some statements from supreme kais how their going to destroy the universe? Even if we think that Goku is a universe buster at this point, he cant survive in the vacuum of space and requires full awareness to survive even a simple a laser shot. If something simple can stop goku like poison needle from frost. What do you think will happen to him if he was to fight some universal + reality warpers!?? He will get completely Rekted.

[apex_pretador]

version he loses are Pre Crisis,Cosmic Armor and Strange Visitor.

There is Superman Prime One Million. I also do think that Superboy Prime after he got the power up in the Count Down would win too since the blast that he tanked nearly wipe out the whole universe. So far, Goku has not tank something like that. Besides if I still think that there is many comic book characters that could beat Goku. Doctor Manhattan from Watchmen could still beat Goku.

SMP1M isn't beating goku.

Super Prime 1 Million is so featless that its almost impossible to gauge his power.Most of his abilities are just assumed by fanboys.I remember reading a thread on comicvine debunking him.It's stupid to have him in vs debates because he's featless.

Superman Prime 1 Million is like End of GT Goku.

I don't really count Superboy as a version of Superman but even if he is.On the bolded sentence in your post.Base Goku after losing the god power literally punch out a sun-like ball that was going to wipe out the universe.Current Champa Arc Goku should be way above than his BOG Arc self and should be approaching Beerus' power who is Universal +.

Superman prime might not have many feats but completely downplaying him and saying that hes completely featless is absurd.

I mean the original depiction of Superman was that he has evolved into this godlike being. And after being sun dipped for 15,000 years and studied under the source who is like an omnipotent deity, upon emerging from the sun, He crushes Solaris in one panel, creates his wife out of a sample of DNA from Solaris, takes a fragment of a doomed planet and transforms it into a full blown living world. He has been stated to have circumnavigated the Universe, wrestled evil Gods, and fought battles unimaginable. This being is something you can’t put into words.

Meanwhile what feats does Goku currently have? His fight with beerus where we see a couple planets being destroyed from his shockwaves and some statements from supreme kais how their going to destroy the universe? Even if we think that Goku is a universe buster at this point, he cant survive in the vacuum of space and requires full awareness to survive even a simple a laser shot. If something simple can stop goku like poison needle from frost. What do you think will happen to him if he was to fight some universal + reality warpers!?? He will get completely Rekted.

This is so wrong thanks to some fans spreading misconceptions. Read this:

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/ge ... n-1642666/

[Protege]

This is so wrong thanks to some fans spreading misconceptions. Read this:

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/ge ... n-1642666/

Normally it takes superman 15 minutes to become 3 times more stronger and powerful so just image how much power he could get by being sundipped for 15,000 years!

15 minutes= 3x multiplier
1 day= 288x multiplier
1 year= 105,120x multiplier
15,000 years= 1,576,800,000x multiplier

And since there is 100 billion solar systems in 1 galaxy and 100 billion galaxies in 1 universe. You could judge for yourself how powerful superman is prime one million form is? Can he in his base mode destroy a solar system or galaxy?

[apex_pretador]

This is so wrong thanks to some fans spreading misconceptions. Read this:

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/ge ... n-1642666/

Normally it takes superman 15 minutes to become 3 times more stronger and powerful so just image how much power he could get by being sundipped for 15,000 years!

15 minutes= 3x multiplier
1 day= 288x multiplier
1 year= 105,120x multiplier
15,000 years= 1,576,800,000x multiplier

And since there is 100 billion solar systems in 1 galaxy and 100 billion galaxies in 1 universe. You could judge for yourself how powerful superman is prime one million form is? Can he in his base mode destroy a solar system or galaxy?

it doesn't work that way.

• The 3x in 15 minute is non canon.
• Even if we include that, it does in a different way. 15 minute = 3x base strength means it takes him 7.5 mins to increase his strength BY 1x. That means 1 day = 192x.
• Nothing to indicate that he'll never reach his limit.
• In 1 week, sun produces energy to destroy an earth. In 15,000 years, it produces energy to destroy a solar system.
• Base form superman can lift planets / destroy moon with trouble.

[Protege]

Yeah the new feats just keep making goku even more stronger and beyond even the pre crisis superman who broken infinity by traveling soo fast, but goku literally moved so fast that he broke the concept of stopped time cuz fiction logic and becoming the most OP character that ever existed. Just breaking those hax feats like its nothing!

I bet Screwattack is feeling pretty stupid right now with how they screw up another goku vs superman with lack of research and feats.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm not sure why Screwattack should feel stupid for not taking into consideration feats that hadn't happened at the time of the video.

[dario03]

And I'm not sure how moving faster than stopped time is more impressive than breaking infinity and having to be stopped before accidentally destroying the multiverse...Nor do I see how that makes Goku the most OP fictional character when as far as we know he still isn't more powerful than Whis and theres still tons of fictional characters in other fictions who can do whatever they want.

[Mewzard]

Yeah the new feats just keep making goku even more stronger and beyond even the pre crisis superman who broken infinity by traveling soo fast, but goku literally moved so fast that he broke the concept of stopped time cuz fiction logic and becoming the most OP character that ever existed. Just breaking those hax feats like its nothing!

I bet Screwattack is feeling pretty stupid right now with how they screw up another goku vs superman with lack of research and feats.

Yeah, kinda hard to research what wasn't released yet.

...Seriously, in both matches, they had no way of knowing what was coming. The first match predated SSJ God, and the second one predated Dragon Ball Super iirc.

Plus, I think you're underestimating the insane stuff Pre-Crisis Superman did (which they could always bust out, they've only used Post-Crisis Superman in these things thus far).



Superman flew to a dead Universe before a sneeze could leave his body (which is a ridiculous feat of speed beyond anything Goku's ever shown by a billion-fold)...and said sneeze wiped out an entire Solar System.



How about the time he towed a galaxy's planets to the other side of the universe to save said planets?

There are hundreds of ridiculous feats Pre-Crisis Superman had (going thousands of times faster than the speed of light to travel back in time, throwing a neutron star to the other side of the universe, and especially the insanity that is the Sword of Superman), many of which Goku has yet to show the ability to top, hence why people tend to stick with the Post-Crisis Superman (it's far less ridiculous).

[dario03]

Don't forget about super baking



Does anybody really think Goku would be able to fight after all that cake?

[ShaneisMC]

I'm not sure why Screwattack should feel stupid for not taking into consideration feats that hadn't happened at the time of the video.

They should feel stupid for making the rematch in the first place at the time they did without knowing jack shit about what Goku can and will be able to do as the series continues. And ESPECIALLY for insinuating the supposed "logic" that Superman wins because he has "limitless" power. Not only is that not even remotely true with a mountain of evidence disproving any such notion, but the concept in and of itself is literally utterly retarded and completely makes the character totally worthless from the get go. If he has limitless power then that would mean he could not ever lose to anyone. Ever. Also theres a bajillion different iterations of the character and they tried making a composite which is unfair.

[rereboy]

I'm not sure why Screwattack should feel stupid for not taking into consideration feats that hadn't happened at the time of the video.

They should feel stupid for making the rematch in the first place at the time they did without knowing jack shit about what Goku can and will be able to do as the series continues. And ESPECIALLY for insinuating the supposed "logic" that Superman wins because he has "limitless" power. Not only is that not even remotely true with a mountain of evidence disproving any such notion, but the concept in and of itself is literally utterly retarded and completely makes the character totally worthless from the get go. If he has limitless power then that would mean he could not ever lose to anyone. Ever. Also theres a bajillion different iterations of the character and they tried making a composite which is unfair.

Since they clearly first presented and analyzed their abilities and feats, and only then stated, as an added argument, that the way Superman is written (as someone who is meant to be superior) gives him an added advantage over Goku (who is written as someone who is meant to be an underdog but then surpasses the obstacles that arise by becoming better), I think it's clear that you, just like many others, didn't really pay much attention to what they say or understood what they meant.

They never argued that Superman was literally limitless, they argued that the idea behind Superman, the way that he is typically written, also gives him an advantage compared to what is behind Goku and how Goku is written. Superman already had the advantage on abilities and feats, as they presented it, and that is just and added argument.

Besides that, if people chose to not do comparisons because the character might develop further in the future, then no comparisons would ever get done.

[jplaya2023]

I'm not sure why Screwattack should feel stupid for not taking into consideration feats that hadn't happened at the time of the video.

they wanted to make the the battle before goku had any new "feats" or "power scales in super"

[rereboy]

I'm not sure why Screwattack should feel stupid for not taking into consideration feats that hadn't happened at the time of the video.

they wanted to make the the battle before goku had any new "feats" or "power scales in super"

So? It's always possible for new stuff to happen to Goku and Superman in the future. There's never a time where that isn't a " danger". Superman comics come out every month.

[Mewzard]

I'm not sure why Screwattack should feel stupid for not taking into consideration feats that hadn't happened at the time of the video.

they wanted to make the the battle before goku had any new "feats" or "power scales in super"

Given how long the fights involved in both Goku vs Superman fights took to do (especially the multi-delayed first one), both were most likely written before the new material was even announced.

Goku vs Superman 1 predated Battle of Gods (and given how long the fight took to get done, they weren't redoing it), and Goku vs Superman 2 came out barely after Super started. Given it was only announced a short time before its release, they probably were also working on Goku vs Superman 2 before learning about Dragon Ball Super.

This isn't Screwattack's fault, the timing of events was just bad. Nobody expected a new DBZ movie until Battle of Gods was announced, and then until Super was announced, we weren't exactly expecting a TV series either (a third movie seemed the more expected route).

[Speedster]

It should be noted that Superman prime and Superman Prime One million though the same person are different. Superman Prime is the original Superman as is in 1998 (1998 is the "present" at the time of publication). Superman Prime One million is that original Superman after one million DC comic issues (or rather as per the 1 millionth issue). That is 1 million months i.e. 83,333 years into the future getting you into the 853rd century. In other words Superman Prime is like Goku in the Radditz saga and Superman Prime One million is like Goku at the end of GT. It should be mentioned that the Superman descendants of the original Superman are called secundus, etc all the way to the Superman of the 853rd century. These descendants are like Goku Jr. They have nothing to do with Superman Prime. Anyway that all powerful Golden Superman you see around is the original Superman (aka Superman Prime), one million months into the future (thus Superman Prime One million). It should also be noted that the story in the One million comics barely involves this Golden Superman at all. It rather involves the present (1998) Superman Prime and the Superman of the 853rd century and (there is a story line where the present Superman Prime time travelled to the future to participate in the celebration of the return of his future self from the sun while the Superman of the 853rd century travels back in time to guard the Earth during his absence).

Anyway as far as I know (and I am pretty sure I know well) Superman Prime one million (you now the Golden Superman) only appeared in DC one million Vol 1 #4 and in DC one million 80 page Giant Vol 1. There is also reference to his backstory in Superman Man of tomorrow one million Vol 1 and another reference to him in Superman: Action Comics 1 million. Nowhere in these comics there was ever mentioned or implied that Superman Prime during all those one million months or afterwards had ever received training from the Source/Presence or inherited part of his omnipotence. All these claims are blatant misinterpretations and speculation really.

But what about those 5th dimensional imp reality warping powers that Superman Prime one million supposedly has? Honestly… What complete and utter bullshit! The reasoning of Superman fanboys is so unbelievably retarded and stupid that it blows my mind how they can be SO ignorant and stupid. OK here it how the reasoning of Superman fanboys goes. One Superman descendant (the one from the 67th century in particular) married the queen of 5 dimensional imps and they had kids. OK. So what? Even if those kids did inherit 5 dimensional imp powers (and it is extremely highly debatable whether they inherited any reality warping powers to begin with as even the comic says that they only inherited 10 alien SENSORY powers) how is this supposed to affect Superman Prime anyway? I mean let’s put this in Dragonball terms. This is like saying Goku marries Vados and has a son with her. OK his kid MAY inherit Vados’ abilities but Goku himself won't inherit anything at all. Claiming he would is so utterly pathetic but this is what Superman fanboys essentially go around and say.

Now here is a video with a lot of views made by a Dragonball fan that that adopted this misinformation bullshit of the 5th dimensional imp powers. Unfortunately if you don't read the comic, hearing this from a Dragonball fan you might be convinced to that this complete bullshit might be legit. No it is not! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryld4CO7DS4

[ShaneisMC]

I'm not sure why Screwattack should feel stupid for not taking into consideration feats that hadn't happened at the time of the video.

They should feel stupid for making the rematch in the first place at the time they did without knowing jack shit about what Goku can and will be able to do as the series continues. And ESPECIALLY for insinuating the supposed "logic" that Superman wins because he has "limitless" power. Not only is that not even remotely true with a mountain of evidence disproving any such notion, but the concept in and of itself is literally utterly retarded and completely makes the character totally worthless from the get go. If he has limitless power then that would mean he could not ever lose to anyone. Ever. Also theres a bajillion different iterations of the character and they tried making a composite which is unfair.

Since they clearly first presented and analyzed their abilities and feats, and only then stated, as an added argument, that the way Superman is written (as someone who is meant to be superior) gives him an added advantage over Goku (who is written as someone who is meant to be an underdog but then surpasses the obstacles that arise by becoming better), I think it's clear that you, just like many others, didn't really pay much attention to what they say or understood what they meant.

They never argued that Superman was literally limitless, they argued that the idea behind Superman, the way that he is typically written, also gives him an advantage compared to what is behind Goku and how Goku is written. Superman already had the advantage on abilities and feats, as they presented it, and that is just and added argument.

Besides that, if people chose to not do comparisons because the character might develop further in the future, then no comparisons would ever get done.

I'm well aware of how they presented both characters. I'm also aware of the fact that a great deal of their information was just straight up incorrect. Have you ever checked this out? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYmJ9sRq_zo I realize the animated fights are awful and more or less a waste of time but the pre and post fight information is really well put together I'd say. Also I haven't really kept up with this thread but I dont know if any of you ever check out the analysis and discussions had about pretty much most any variation of any character you can think of over at vsbattles.com but as a general rule those guys REALLY like to go into exceptional depth in order to properly decide what "Tier" the characters are and who they may or may not be capable of beating. If you haven't I seriously recommend giving them a go. For anything fictional honestly. Its a nice place.