Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[apex_pretador]

Isn't it
Superman Prime = Superman in the One Million comics, what others called him in the future, whether pre or after sundipping for thousands of years.

• Superman Prime = What some fans call regular Superman in the One Million comics before he left Earth/Sundipping for a really long time.
  Superman Prime One Million = What fans call Superman Prime after doing that, but he isn't actually called that in the comics.
  Superman = What he actually calls himself in the One Million comics. And the other name fans use when talking about him pre leaving earth.

Superman-Prime = Superboy-Prime who is a alternate reality Clark Kent

So the first set are from the same storylines and universe and are the same person, and the third is different but they are all Clark Kent.

Superman in one million comics is superman one million a.k.a. kal kent. He's the one who was able to hold a galaxy for a few moments with his vision. He is a descendent of clark, i.e. clark is his ancestor.


Superman prime one million is clark kent (as called by fans) who is golden in color. He is the one who sundipped for 15000 years. He's clark kent in 853rd century. (over 80,000 years from now)


Superman prime, you're correct, he's SBP from alternate universe. He has many crazy strength feats.

[dario03]

I definitely should have mentioned Kal Kent who is usually called Superman One Million by fans (not in the comics though). In the One Million comics Kal Kent and both future and present Superman just call themselves Superman. Or at least from what I've seen they do.

So
Superman Prime = Clark Kent Superman in the One Million comics, what others called him in the future (also called the Prime Superman), whether pre or after sundipping for thousands of years. Prime meaning first.

• Superman Prime = What some fans call Clark Kent Superman in the One Million comics before he left Earth/Sundipping for a really long time.
  Superman Prime One Million = What fans call Superman Prime after the 15,000 year sundip, but he isn't actually called that in the comics.
  Superman = What he actually calls himself in the One Million comics, whether the present day version or the golden future one. And the other name fans use when talking about him pre leaving earth.

Superman-Prime = Superboy-Prime who is Clark Kent from the Earth-Prime universe (reason for Prime in his name). The "-" in the name is used to identify him.

So the first set are from the same storylines and universe and are the same person, and the third is different but they are all Clark Kent.

Superman One Million = Kal Kent, the Superman of the 853rd century, a descendent of Clark Kent. Called Superman in the comics and usually Superman One Million by fans to identify him easier.

[ATEMVEGETA]

What you guys think of this:



It goes against Death Battle's statement of Superman having infinite strength.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Is this really going to be revived every single time Goku gets a new technique/powerup or does something in DBS?

Please just let it die already...

[Khin]

Yeah,most other forums have banned Goku vs. Superman stuff because of how controversial it is.I mean,it literally won't just end.Heck,even if Goku will become an omnipotent god by the end of Super i bet the debate will still not end.

[voltlunok]

What you guys think of this:

Spoiler:

It goes against Death Battle's statement of Superman having infinite strength.

I think that its missing context, such as when was this released? Because if it predates the 'infinity feats' then its kind of an obsolete and contradicted article piece. I mean even if it is post 'infinity feats' it does not nullify Supes' other major strength feats (Like bench pressing the earth's weight for 5 days straight on the minimal amount of sun light needed to trigger his powers. (Which I guess could also be a stamina feat too.))

I also think its about time this thread was put to bed. _{But that'll probably never happen...}

[Mewzard]

What you guys think of this:

It goes against Death Battle's statement of Superman having infinite strength.

It was never about Infinite strength, but that Superman was always going to get stronger and stronger.

Decades of writers wanting to top what came before them is how Superman went from being able to leap 1/8 of a mile and lift cars to time traveling with massively FTL speeds and throwing neutron stars to the other side of the universe.

Even when he got nerfed back in 1986 to be far weaker (I think I recall a gas station explosion knocking him out in one of the early stories), he was eventually moving moons, and flying to other places in space at FTL speeds a decade or so later.

[dario03]

What you guys think of this:

It goes against Death Battle's statement of Superman having infinite strength.

It was never about Infinite strength, but that Superman was always going to get stronger and stronger.

Decades of writers wanting to top what came before them is how Superman went from being able to leap 1/8 of a mile and lift cars to time traveling with massively FTL speeds and throwing neutron stars to the other side of the universe.

Even when he got nerfed back in 1986 to be far weaker (I think I recall a gas station explosion knocking him out in one of the early stories), he was eventually moving moons, and flying to other places in space at FTL speeds a decade or so later.

Yeah it seemed like that happened to a much lesser extent in the animated series as well. He was made much weaker in that, they even say they did it on purpose because they thought it would be easier for people to connect to a guy that wasn't so powerful that he could destroy the universe by listening to hard (a exaggeration I assume, don't think that ever happened). But it seemed like he got a big stronger as that show and Justice League/JLU went on, even though nobody said he did.
And I remember a bunch of people saying that N52 was going to depower him too but it wasn't very long till he was benching the Earth for days on end.

[Polyphase Avatron]

New thread idea: Goku vs. Superman vs. Batman vs. Saitama vs. Chuck Norris vs. Bruce Lee vs. Jesus Christ vs. Captain Planet vs. Mr. T vs. The Doctor vs. Freddy vs. Jason vs. Alien vs. Predator vs. Squirrel Girl vs. Darth Vader vs. Dante vs. Bayonetta vs. Godzilla vs. King Kong vs. Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus vs. Kramer vs. Kramer vs. John Cena

Let's spend ten thousand pages debating this.

[Kamiccolo9]

New thread idea: Goku vs. Superman vs. Batman vs. Saitama vs. Chuck Norris vs. Bruce Lee vs. Jesus Christ vs. Captain Planet vs. Mr. T vs. The Doctor vs. Freddy vs. Jason vs. Alien vs. Predator vs. Squirrel Girl vs. Darth Vader vs. Dante vs. Bayonetta vs. Godzilla vs. King Kong vs. Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus vs. Kramer vs. Kramer vs. John Cena

Let's spend ten thousand pages debating this.

The Doctor, duh.

What kind of question is that?

[voltlunok]

New thread idea: Goku vs. Superman vs. Batman vs. Saitama vs. Chuck Norris vs. Bruce Lee vs. Jesus Christ vs. Captain Planet vs. Mr. T vs. The Doctor vs. Freddy vs. Jason vs. Alien vs. Predator vs. Squirrel Girl vs. Darth Vader vs. Dante vs. Bayonetta vs. Godzilla vs. King Kong vs. Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus vs. Kramer vs. Kramer vs. John Cena

Let's spend ten thousand pages debating this.

The Doctor, duh.

What kind of question is that?

I don't know, Squirrel Girl could drag people off screen to activate her insta-win powers.

I am also sadden that Segata wasn't included in this list...him and Norris kinda wiped out the whole universe with their brawl.

[Tectorman]

New thread idea: Goku vs. Superman vs. Batman vs. Saitama vs. Chuck Norris vs. Bruce Lee vs. Jesus Christ vs. Captain Planet vs. Mr. T vs. The Doctor vs. Freddy vs. Jason vs. Alien vs. Predator vs. Squirrel Girl vs. Darth Vader vs. Dante vs. Bayonetta vs. Godzilla vs. King Kong vs. Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus vs. Kramer vs. Kramer vs. John Cena

Let's spend ten thousand pages debating this.

The obvious answer is "Mr. Rogers in a blood-stained sweater".

[Protege]

Maybe in the golden age (bronze age ?) but he's certainly evolved since then. Hell part of Gokuu's character is that he's simple, I mean Super Man is by no means the most complex character, but it's helluva lot more then Gokuu character. And no I'm not saying complexity= better character but Supes has more character then Gokuu.

lol imagine if Goku had Superman's personality and character, that would be soo freaking boring. Superman almost never trains or tries to evolve himself or create new techniques, hes also very pacifistic as a character and always allows villains to manipulate him and spare their lives. Hes simply just too linear and most of his versions are pretty weak compared to even earlier versions of Goku. Most of his abilities like super hearing, vision or being able to read any book in seconds are just gimmicks and are not even used in fights. Cause if he did have an xray vision why couldnt he then seen the hidden kryptonite that was going to be used against him? huh! His only strength is senselessly beating the crap out of some one and if that not works, using his heat vision which usually gets the job done.

So no, i personality think that Gokus character is much more complex than Supermans, especially later in the series after frieza saga.

[Kamiccolo9]

Maybe in the golden age (bronze age ?) but he's certainly evolved since then. Hell part of Gokuu's character is that he's simple, I mean Super Man is by no means the most complex character, but it's helluva lot more then Gokuu character. And no I'm not saying complexity= better character but Supes has more character then Gokuu.

lol imagine if Goku had Superman's personality and character, that would be soo freaking boring. Superman almost never trains or tries to evolve himself or create new techniques, hes also very pacifistic as a character and always allows villains to manipulate him and spare their lives. Hes simply just too linear and most of his versions are pretty weak compared to even earlier versions of Goku. Most of his abilities like super hearing, vision or being able to read any book in seconds are just gimmicks and are not even used in fights. Cause if he did have an xray vision why couldnt he then seen the hidden kryptonite that was going to be used against him? huh! His only strength is senselessly beating the crap out of some one and if that not works, using his heat vision which usually gets the job done.

So no, i personality think that Gokus character is much more complex than Supermans, especially later in the series after frieza saga.

You have clearly never read any Superman.

[apex_pretador]

New thread idea: Goku vs. Superman vs. Batman vs. Saitama vs. Chuck Norris vs. Bruce Lee vs. Jesus Christ vs. Captain Planet vs. Mr. T vs. The Doctor vs. Freddy vs. Jason vs. Alien vs. Predator vs. Squirrel Girl vs. Darth Vader vs. Dante vs. Bayonetta vs. Godzilla vs. King Kong vs. Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus vs. Kramer vs. Kramer vs. John Cena

Let's spend ten thousand pages debating this.

we don't need 10000 pages. This is all we need:

Spoiler:

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because

[Kuririn Fan]

Yes!!!
Batman > > > > shit > > > all superheroes

[Protege]

You have clearly never read any Superman.

Why? hes strong morally compassed driven character and a roll model. that what makes him soo simple. Thats why hes called superman and who was developed from a human side of view rather than him being kryptonian.

But ultimatelly there are many version of superman which often are represent him inaccurately or contradict his true character. I mean hes been around for 80 years and yet the writers in the end continue rebooting him back as this crime fighting moral pacifist like hero, whos afraid to kill anyone.

Meanwhile Goku character is much more accurate and consistent, from him evolving from this bushy feral kid into a grandfather and god. But sure tell me why you think Superman's character is more complex?

[Hellspawn28]

While Dragon Ball is a strong franchise. There are still other franchises stronger than it and Dragon Ball will likely be the strongest franchise ever.

Franchises that are stronger than Dragon Ball (going with the ones that I know):

Bastard!!
DC
Demonbane
Digimon
Doctor Who
Image/Top Cow
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (There are stands that would put Whis to shame)
Getter Robo (Getter Emperor comes to mind)
Marvel
Mazinger (Mazinger ZERO Jigoku Mode can manifest itself in multiple timelines allowing it able to destroy multiple alternate worlds)
Saint Seiya
Shin Megami Tensei
Slayers
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Tenchi Muyo!
Vampire Hunter D (There is Sacred Ancestor who is a high tier reality warper)
Watchmen (I think Doctor Mahattan could beat anyone in the DB franchise that we seen so far)

The list goes on

[Lozjudai]

While Dragon Ball is a strong franchise. There are still other franchises stronger than it and Dragon Ball will likely be the strongest franchise ever.

Franchises that are stronger than Dragon Ball (going with the ones that I know):

DC
Demonbane
Digimon
Doctor Who
Image/Top Cow
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (There are stands that would put Whis to shame)
Getter Robo (Getter Emperor comes to mind)
Marvel
Mazinger (Mazinger ZERO Jigoku Mode can manifest itself in multiple timelines allowing it able to destroy multiple alternate worlds)
Saint Seiya
Shin Megami Tensei
Slayers
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Tenchi Muyo!
Watchmen (I think Doctor Mahattan could beat anyone that we seen so far)

The list goes on

Can you explain Digimon for me. The rest I can easily understand because for example Demi-Fiend would wreck Goku easily

[Hellspawn28]

Zeedmillenniummon is casual universe destroyer. It was stated that he casually went around universes and destroying them. He can destroy the whole multiverse at full power. NEO from Digimon NEXT can destory and create the universe with only half of his power too.