Death Battle: Goku vs Superman 2

[Lozjudai]

I'm fine with the actual topic. This ridiculous off topic mess, however, has totally derailed the thread, and neither I nor anyone else should have to avoid a potentially interesting thread just because a few people can't stay on topic.

I guess you´re right. Someone should make "Characters stronger than Dragon Ball characters and why" kind of a thread somewhere

[Lord Beerus]

this thread will never die.

Kalkarot is upset

Spoiler:

Why? Just...why?

[ekrolo2]

The second most powerful character of all time. Behind Batman of course.

[Polyphase Avatron]

We're talking about Digimon now?

Didn't they already do a Death Battle with that?

[Protege]

I'm fine with the actual topic. This ridiculous off topic mess, however, has totally derailed the thread, and neither I nor anyone else should have to avoid a potentially interesting thread just because a few people can't stay on topic.

Well Hellspawn started up bringing up other verses that could defeat dbz and thats were the tread derailed off, so i had to reply to them

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

What you guys think of this:It goes against Death Battle's statement of Superman having infinite strength.

It was never ever stated that Superman has "Infinite strength" at an infinite constant like people think it as. Limitless potential just means that unlike Goku, Superman has no barriers between physical limits, and can stack on power accessible to him with no hindering resistance. The complete opposite of DB where characters reach glass-ceilings, but have to look for ways to raise the extents of their limits and get stronger by filling the gaps between renewing their goal-posts. Superman's goal posts are infinitely distanced from the getgo and measures his own limiters based on his opponent, not on himself to fill that indefinite gap from his indefinite base strength. Hence as (abstractly) strong as he needs to be.

[Hugo Boss]

My impression on the video is that they reunite a lot of information from various versions of both Superman and Goku and end up creating their own versions of each one. I'm afraid that even if take into account the recent events involving Goku, I think this version of Superman should be still ahead of him. Not to mention Superman has a new technique he didn't use in this video. So, I think all is very entertaining and such, but we shouldn't take the content so seriously.

[Soppa Saia People]

I'm fine with the actual topic. This ridiculous off topic mess, however, has totally derailed the thread, and neither I nor anyone else should have to avoid a potentially interesting thread just because a few people can't stay on topic.

Well Hellspawn started up bringing up other verses that could defeat dbz and thats were the tread derailed off, so i had to reply to them

This topic has been derailed much before that. Like at page 55.

[Saiyan007]

What you guys think of this:It goes against Death Battle's statement of Superman having infinite strength.

It was never ever stated that Superman has "Infinite strength" at an infinite constant like people think it as. Limitless potential just means that unlike Goku, Superman has no barriers between physical limits, and can stack on power accessible to him with no hindering resistance. The complete opposite of DB where characters reach glass-ceilings, but have to look for ways to raise the extents of their limits and get stronger by filling the gaps between renewing their goal-posts. Superman's goal posts are infinitely distanced from the getgo and measures his own limiters based on his opponent, not on himself to fill that indefinite gap from his indefinite base strength. Hence as (abstractly) strong as he needs to be.

Goku doesn't have limitless potential.What?

Goku breaks his limits all the time by different forms of training whenever you think he hit a wall he finds a way to surpass his limits only thing that will slow him down is age.

If Goku was immortal he would in a sense be limitless since age wouldn't play a factor and he would always get stronger he doesn't have a cap when a wall gets in his way he just has to find a way to get through it.

Both Superman and Goku have unlimited potential.

[neogaiden]

What you guys think of this:It goes against Death Battle's statement of Superman having infinite strength.

It was never ever stated that Superman has "Infinite strength" at an infinite constant like people think it as. Limitless potential just means that unlike Goku, Superman has no barriers between physical limits, and can stack on power accessible to him with no hindering resistance. The complete opposite of DB where characters reach glass-ceilings, but have to look for ways to raise the extents of their limits and get stronger by filling the gaps between renewing their goal-posts. Superman's goal posts are infinitely distanced from the getgo and measures his own limiters based on his opponent, not on himself to fill that indefinite gap from his indefinite base strength. Hence as (abstractly) strong as he needs to be.

Potential no matter how limitless does not equate to actual ability. All potential suggests is what may be possible however it does not guarantee it. Frankly every standard super hero has limitless potential, and is generally written to keep discovering more of their hidden abilities. For example, Superman learns how to use his abilities better than he ever thought he could, and Goku learns how to bring out even greater levels of his power that he never knew was there. Their respective potentials are limitless but whether they develop themselves further depends on them and the situation.

People tend to take issue with ScrewAttacks limitless statements because it is a groundless and irrelevant stance to take; with little evidence to support it. Limitless potential It does not correlate to anything. Just my 2 cents.

Btw how did this topic get resurrected? Was it due to Super? I thought that was too soon.

[Bullza]

Yeah just keep on topic, Digimon doesn't have anything to do with this.

Is it true that Death Battle didn't use a specific version of Superman but some composite version?

With Goku they used things from the anime aswell because GT was included and they included the 40 ton line into Goku's stats to judge his strenght but they didn't take into account what he actually did like push the mountain apart.

They also calculated SSJ4's strenght from a DBZ Goku even though by the time Goku was able to become a SSJ4 he was already stronger in base form than he was as a SSJ3 in DBZ.

So it should have been something like

Base - 40 tons
SSJ - 2,000 tons
SSJ2 - 4,000 tons
SSJ3 - 16,000 tons
Base (GT) - 16,000 tons
SSJ - 800,000 tons
SSJ2 - 1,600,000 tons
SSJ3 - 6,400,000 tons
SSJ4 - 64,000,000 tons

[apex_pretador]

this thread will never die.

Kalkarot is upset

Spoiler:

Why? Just...why?

because

The second most powerful character of all time. Behind Batman of course.

[apex_pretador]

Yeah just keep on topic, Digimon doesn't have anything to do with this.

Is it true that Death Battle didn't use a specific version of Superman but some composite version?

With Goku they used things from the anime aswell because GT was included and they included the 40 ton line into Goku's stats to judge his strenght but they didn't take into account what he actually did like push the mountain apart.

They also calculated SSJ4's strenght from a DBZ Goku even though by the time Goku was able to become a SSJ4 he was already stronger in base form than he was as a SSJ3 in DBZ.

So it should have been something like

Base - 40 tons
SSJ - 2,000 tons
SSJ2 - 4,000 tons
SSJ3 - 16,000 tons
Base (GT) - 16,000 tons
SSJ - 800,000 tons
SSJ2 - 1,600,000 tons
SSJ3 - 6,400,000 tons
SSJ4 - 64,000,000 tons

21st TB goku = 300 tons

Tao Pai Pai = 5,000,000 tons

New 52 superman - 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons for 5 days without sunlight.

[dario03]

this thread will never die.

Kalkarot is upset

Spoiler:

Why? Just...why?

because

I never understood their heights in that pic. Superman is supposed to be quite a bit taller than Goku.

[apex_pretador]

I never understood their heights in that pic. Superman is supposed to be quite a bit taller than Goku.

That's fanfic tier height.
Regular superman is about 6'2" and goku about 5'9", a big difference (5")

[Saiyan007]

Yeah just keep on topic, Digimon doesn't have anything to do with this.

Is it true that Death Battle didn't use a specific version of Superman but some composite version?

With Goku they used things from the anime aswell because GT was included and they included the 40 ton line into Goku's stats to judge his strenght but they didn't take into account what he actually did like push the mountain apart.

They also calculated SSJ4's strenght from a DBZ Goku even though by the time Goku was able to become a SSJ4 he was already stronger in base form than he was as a SSJ3 in DBZ.

So it should have been something like

Base - 40 tons
SSJ - 2,000 tons
SSJ2 - 4,000 tons
SSJ3 - 16,000 tons
Base (GT) - 16,000 tons
SSJ - 800,000 tons
SSJ2 - 1,600,000 tons
SSJ3 - 6,400,000 tons
SSJ4 - 64,000,000 tons

21st TB goku = 300 tons

Tao Pai Pai = 5,000,000 tons

New 52 superman - 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons for 5 days without sunlight.

everyone knows Superman is physically stronger but Goku's feats in Super make his striking strength on a whole nother level.(universal or nigh universal striking strength)Even wonder woman who isn't as physically as Supes can hold her own against him when he's bloodlusted

[apex_pretador]

Yeah just keep on topic, Digimon doesn't have anything to do with this.

Is it true that Death Battle didn't use a specific version of Superman but some composite version?

With Goku they used things from the anime aswell because GT was included and they included the 40 ton line into Goku's stats to judge his strenght but they didn't take into account what he actually did like push the mountain apart.

They also calculated SSJ4's strenght from a DBZ Goku even though by the time Goku was able to become a SSJ4 he was already stronger in base form than he was as a SSJ3 in DBZ.

So it should have been something like

Base - 40 tons
SSJ - 2,000 tons
SSJ2 - 4,000 tons
SSJ3 - 16,000 tons
Base (GT) - 16,000 tons
SSJ - 800,000 tons
SSJ2 - 1,600,000 tons
SSJ3 - 6,400,000 tons
SSJ4 - 64,000,000 tons

21st TB goku = 300 tons

Tao Pai Pai = 5,000,000 tons

New 52 superman - 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons for 5 days without sunlight.

everyone knows Superman is physically stronger but Goku's feats in Super make his striking strength on a whole nother level.(universal or nigh universal striking strength)Even wonder woman who isn't as physically as Supes can hold her own against him when he's bloodlusted

1. No, bloodlusted superman has always been way above bloodlusted wonderwoman.

2. WW is not way below him in strength. They are not that far off.

3. You missed my point. See the highlighted text in quotes above for clarification.

4. I personally put Namek freeza above superman so that's about it. However, I can argue to put superman above SSG goku if I was to debate for superman.

5. Why are you bringing SSG in the debate?

[Saiyan007]

1. No, bloodlusted superman has always been way above bloodlusted wonderwoman.

She held her own when Maxwell Lord possesed Superman he didn't kill her instantly

2. WW is not way below him in strength. They are not that far off.

I'm talking purely lifting strength she can't move or bench press planets by herself

4. I personally put Namek freeza above superman so that's about it. However, I can argue to put superman above SSG goku if I was to debate for superman.

Pretty sure Supes wouldn't have a problem dealing with folks from the Namek Saga.Supes above God Goku?? All goku needs is 1 shot considering Superman bleeds to people not on the same scale as Godku.He also get's knocked out by things that current Goku can casually dish out

5. Why are you bringing SSG in the debate?

why can't i? Isn't it Goku vs Superman?

[apex_pretador]

1. No, bloodlusted superman has always been way above bloodlusted wonderwoman.

She held her own when Maxwell Lord possesed Superman he didn't kill her instantly

Getting stomped isn't holding her own.

4. I personally put Namek freeza above superman so that's about it. However, I can argue to put superman above SSG goku if I was to debate for superman.

Pretty sure Supes wouldn't have a problem dealing with folks from the Namek Saga.Supes above God Goku?? All goku needs is 1 shot considering Superman bleeds to people not on the same scale as Godku.He also get's knocked out by things that current Goku can casually dish out

I'm saying that I personally put freeza (50%) above superman because I believe he can beat superman. But if I were to argue for superman, I can convince people that he can beat goku even SSG (I mean I can make solid arguments in his favour).

5. Why are you bringing SSG in the debate?

why can't i? Isn't it Goku vs Superman?

yes it is.
the poster above me was listing lifting stats multiplying by some random numbers, in responce to GT goku so I commented on it. Why bring SSG in GT goku vs superman debate when he's far above superman's level?

[Hugo Boss]

By the way, is there any version of Superman in animated cartoons that could challenge Super Saiyan God in Dragon Ball Super? I'm more familiar with the movies and never read any of Superman's comics. Maybe I should consider buying the comics. For that, I would apreciate recomendations.