"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Chuquita]

The part with Gokû Black using Trunks' sword was cool.
I'm also curious about him being able to teleport.

Vegeta being all "It's ok if I go, right? Right?" to Bulma was interesting. Though he's been so stressed from training at Beerus' place I can't tell if that was natural or a carry over from having to be like that to Beerus and Whis.

[Xeztin]

Gotta say that fight with Black was pretty cool, Toyotaro's art is just getting better and better.

[OLKv3]

The part with Gokû Black using Trunks' sword was cool.
I'm also curious about him being able to teleport.

Vegeta being all "It's ok if I go, right? Right?" to Bulma was interesting. Though he's been so stressed from training at Beerus' place I can't tell if that was natural or a carry over from having to be like that to Beerus and Whis.

I think it might be that, because both Goku and Vegeta were standing at attention as if she was their master

[Alruneia]

I'm so happy Toyotarou knows how to draw a good SSJ2 hairstyle. Trunks is looking good, especially compared to the weak mess that is his SSJ"2" hairstyle in the anime.
Looks like Black knows the Instant Transmission. Oh boy. Now I'm imagining the upcoming Goku vs Black battle being filled with a bunch of chain teleporting.

[jplaya2023]

so with black using IT it's confirmed that this is indeed future goku now.

[Kishido]

And what about the Kai tree which will give life to new Kais if one dies?

And why is Zeno not giving a damn that a universe has lost all his gods?

He even checked out what Beerus and Champa doing. So he cares

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Another good chapter. Toyotaro's work is impressive gotta give him credit. As already mentioned the choreography of Trunks v Black was so creative. It was cool.

- Travis

[SansrivaaL]

Toyotarou really has his moments, his fight choreographies are one of the best I've seen in a while, I prefer the manga ver than the anime ver of Trunks V Black and Goku V Trunks, it just seemed way better, well mostly because in the anime while Black V Trunks was good (where the manga shows that Trunks went SSJ2 with the electricity while the anime ver made it look like plain old SSJ), Goku V Trunks was weird, them going SSJ2 whereas Goku keeps his SSJ1 hairdo.

[Mazingerdestro]

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Why the hell does Gojiitaaf say it's complete when there's missing pages! Darn the ones with the flasback to the kaioshin realm and such.

He did this last month as well. And refused to budge when people told him it's incomplete

I message him about this issue and he agreed with me (that the chapter was incomplete) and confirmed some questions I had about ssjrose and if he was mentioned in the chapter (last week he confirmed that ssjrose was gonna appear in the manga and today he replied that "they chose to delay his appearance as soon as possible") which I have to admit makes no sense.
It was pretty obvious this time that he uploaded the wrong images since he always adds numbers at the pages and his pages were saying 39 when he only had 33 images.
However, it's pretty annoying that sometimes he uploads stuff, writes something like "news about something important" (and provided no translation) and then he is mistaken or is something like heroes (that westerners don't care)

[Grimlock]

How in the world would he know "they chose to delay his appearance as soon as possible"?

[Chuquita]

I'm surprised no one commented on Karin playing twister yet.

[The Monkey King]

The manga fights are so fucking good. This might sound like a travesty but toyotorou might be better than Toriyama at choreography.

Toyotorou is not anywhere even close to prime Toriyama.

Just looks at fights such as Goku vs Vegeta in the saiyan saga and Vegeta vs Recoome. The chereography in those fights far outstrips Toyotorou's

Also In Toyo's fights most of the attacks feel weak and lack impact.

Compare Toriyama to Toyotorou

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The difference is vast, Dragon Ball became such a phenomenon because Toriyama was an amazing artist especially when it came to fight scenes while Toyo ranges from mediocre to just good.

[Xeztin]

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Why the hell does Gojiitaaf say it's complete when there's missing pages! Darn the ones with the flasback to the kaioshin realm and such.

He did this last month as well. And refused to budge when people told him it's incomplete

I message him about this issue and he agreed with me (that the chapter was incomplete) and confirmed some questions I had about ssjrose and if he was mentioned in the chapter (last week he confirmed that ssjrose was gonna appear in the manga and today he replied that "they chose to delay his appearance as soon as possible") which I have to admit makes no sense.
It was pretty obvious this time that he uploaded the wrong images since he always adds numbers at the pages and his pages were saying 39 when he only had 33 images.
However, it's pretty annoying that sometimes he uploads stuff, writes something like "news about something important" (and provided no translation) and then he is mistaken or is something like heroes (that westerners don't care)

SSJ Rose won't appear in the manga for another 2-3 chapters, we haven't even had the first fight with Black yet.

[THEGOKU]

The manga fights are so fucking good. This might sound like a travesty but toyotorou might be better than Toriyama at choreography.

Toyotorou is not anywhere even close to prime Toriyama.

Just looks at fights such as Goku vs Vegeta in the saiyan saga and Vegeta vs Recoome. The chereography in those fights far outstrips Toyotorou's

Also In Toyo's fights most of the attacks feel weak and lack impact.

Compare Toriyama to Toyotorou

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The difference is vast, Dragon Ball became such a phenomenon because Toriyama was an amazing artist especially when it came to fight scenes while Toyo ranges from mediocre to just good.

With those images it is easier to see the difference. The new ones just seem to lack the same type of impact that made you kind of feel the power of the punch, kick or blast as opposed to Toyotorou's that you just see the fight but not the impact. Overall though this was a good chapter but the next one with the fight with Goku vs Black should be one of his best. Black using IT though is a very important thing to note and can possibly lead to a battle on the kaioshin planet at some point with him trying to destroy Beerus?

[Lord Beerus]

Good chapter. The battle between Future Trunks and Goku Black was really good, but I found the anime fight just a bit more intense. I also found the moment that when Future Trunks when full PSTD and tried to punch Goku more effective in the anime than in manga because of how legitimately shocked and stunned everyone was when that happened. SSJ2 Future Trunks does look far better in the manga than he does in the anime, I will give Toyataro that.

[Patrolman Jaco]

Compare Toriyama to Toyotorou

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The difference is vast, Dragon Ball became such a phenomenon because Toriyama was an amazing artist especially when it came to fight scenes while Toyo ranges from mediocre to just good.

I mean I agree with you that Toriyama is superior to Toyotorou in terms of fight choreography and impact, but the examples you gave for Toyotorou are terrible.

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[ssj_duelist]

Is themanga out yet? I don't know what sites tend to put it up.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Okay, here's all the shit from this chapter my fiance translated for me, and I've compiled for you guys.
(Do not quote this whole post for a reply without putting it in a spoiler tag. The page doesn't need to be stretched.)

Also of note, I saw some people thinking that there were missing pages, but I don't think there are any. The chapter runs from page 33 to 71, and all 39 pages were uploaded and accounted for. Unless there was a special chapter included in the magazine as well, I get the feeling the text about Whis and Beerus during Boo's rampage was fake...

We get our token reminder from every arc this chapter that our Saiyan protagonists aren't as strong as Beerus. He tells Goku & Vegeta they're still a ways off from becoming Hakaishin, which is great because there isn't much to do besides destroying a few things every now and then, leaving plenty of times for naps. Goku says he doesn't want a bad job destroying things. Beerus is offended that Goku thinks his job is "bad". Whis chimes in that Beerus hasn't been doing his job these days anyway...

Toyotaro writes around the blue or purple hair catastrophe. When kid Trunks checks the time machine, Bluma asks if there is someone in there with his hairstyle. No mention of color.

In the anime version of events Karin & Yajirobe were passing time doing limbo, but in the manga they're playing Twister. Goku asks if the game is fun, just like in the anime. Karin says not with two guys...

In the manga, when Trunks reveals the new threat is Son Goku (Black), he mentions that Black said he'd wipe out all Earthlings for the sake of justice. And that he has PROBABLY destroyed several worlds and their inhabitants already, technically meaning Earth could've been the only target. (Doubtful, but still.)

Trunks mentions Future Bluma decided to call him Goku Black to avoid confusion with the real Goku. The present Bluma complains about her future self's taste in naming. Beerus doesn't "get" English...

The time machine's fuel is Blue Electric Liquid #15.

Here, unlike the anime, Dr. Brief apparently never helped Bluma with the time machine Cell used. He comments "So this is a time machine." I wonder if Trunks even gave Bluma Cell's time machine, or if they won't even bother with the destruction plot point? We'll find out later, I guess.

Goku and Trunks transform to SS2 for their spar. Whis thinks Trunks has the edge on Goku as the fight unfolds. Goku is impressed Trunks is better than Gohan from "that time" (presumably Cell Games). Trunks says he trained hard for the last 10+ years, but is excited when Goku vows to show him what comes next. Trunks has no idea about SS3, but says he wasn't happy with SS2 either. He powers up to be on par with SS3 Goku...while in SS2. So I guess all of Trunks' forms are ~4x stronger than everyone else?

You can't see it, but when Goku kicks Trunks in the back of the neck and knocks him out...notice the sparkles. Goku went Super Saiyan God. Beerus and Whis call him out on being immature for that.

Trunks is STRONG, but isn't a match for Black. Goku expected to beat him easily, but thinks this might actually be dangerous now. Goku asks if Beerus & Whis want to come with them to the future, to help out if they end up in a pinch. Beerus wants nothing to do with it. He doesn't care about another Earth, and using the time machine is a crime anyway. However, he does wonder why the Hakaishin left Black alone though. Whis doesn't think Beerus and Black are that different in terms of destruction. This pisses Beerus off. Beerus feels Black is destroying whatever he wants without considering the balance of the universe. Whis chuckles

Trunks still has no idea what a Hakaishin is, despite asking who Beerus and Whis were earlier. Beerus wonders if Trunks' Hakaishin is still asleep. Whis assumes differently and asks what happened to Kaioshin after defeating Dabra. Trunks reveals the god perished in the fight. Beerus panics. Why did that weakling Kaioshin get involved?! Goku wonders what's wrong. Does Beerus have an unexpected soft spot for the Kaioshin? Whis chuckles again. "The Kaioshin and Hakaishin come as a set. If the Kaioshin die, so does the Hakaishin. It's that kind of relationship. The Hakaishin of Trunks' world likely no longer exists."

[TheMikado]

^ holy smokes that's good writing. Especially Goku actually being concerned and asking the Gods along for help!!

[SSJ God Gogeta]

I think this just became my favorite chapter so far, I love the fight between Black & Trunks here!