Can Multiverse stand a Fight with Whis/Vados/Daishinkan or Zen'o Guards?

[Smilodon]

Beerus vs Champa was strong enough to destroy both universes 6 and 7...
But what could happen if Whis and Vados fight each other? Or Daishinkan? Or Zen'o Guards?
The gap between Beerus and Champa is way too big (maybe bigger than Piccolo in comparison with Goku).
If those kids (Champa and Beerus) can destroy 2 universes...Can a fight between those guys destroy everything in 12 universes? How they can fight in this case?

[Lord Beerus]

I think there's something even greater than a multiverse...

But as far as your question goes, no, I think a full blooded battle with any variation of Whis, Vados, Daishinkan and/or Zen'o Guards would brink the multiverse to the brink of collapse.

[LightBing]

The same way SSJ2 level and above fighting didn't tear apart Earth, the same would happen to the Universes and Multiverse. Characters can contain their destructive power, if not there wouldn't be any fight's just destruction and everyone would be brought down with it.

[Smilodon]

The same way SSJ2 level and above fighting didn't tear apart Earth, the same would happen to the Universes and Multiverse. Characters can contain their destructive power, if not there wouldn't be any fight's just destruction and everyone would be brought down with it.

It's weird....I remember in Z...Vegetto vs Super Boo Gohan was the most powerful battle and it was on earth....But Kid Boo vs Goku SSJ3 was on Kai planet (the old Kaioshin said the earth couldn't stand the fight)...

But talking only about Super...Even Goku SSJG vs Beerus could destroy the entire universe...Goku had to cancel Beerus punches with the same moment, angle and power...And Beerus wasn't at his full power.
When one of the fighters is much powerful than the other, he can use his power only to beat (Whis could knock out Beerus without blow any universe)...But the problem is when 2 guys fights with same power (Like Whis Vs Vados for example)...It's crazy hahaha!

[Smilodon]

I think there's something even greater than a multiverse...

But as far as your question goes, no, I think a full blooded battle with any variation of Whis, Vados, Daishinkan and/or Zen'o Guards would brink the multiverse to the brink of collapse.

I think too...If you see in Zeno's place, up in those rocks you can see something like an universe...Maybe it was the universe itself.
When Whis was explaining the Multiverse

It's the same here

For sure this place isn't in any of 12 universes...And we can see behind a lot of things...

[Friezacooler]

Beerus vs Champa was strong enough to destroy both universes 6 and 7...
But what could happen if Whis and Vados fight each other? Or Daishinkan? Or Zen'o Guards?
The gap between Beerus and Champa is way too big (maybe bigger than Piccolo in comparison with Goku).
If those kids (Champa and Beerus) can destroy 2 universes...Can a fight between those guys destroy everything in 12 universes? How they can fight in this case?

the gap between Beerus and Champa is way to big, were you got this unproven statement from? they are more or less nearly equal.

[Smilodon]

the gap between Beerus and Champa is way to big, were you got this unproven statement from? they are more or less nearly equal.

Sorry bro...I mean the gab between Beerus vs Champa in comparison with Whis vs Vados...The power scale is Beerus = 10 and Champa = Between 9,5-10...Whis = 15, and Vados = between 14-16 we can't be sure. But the gap I was talking is the difference between 10 to 15.

[Polyphase Avatron]

We don't know the power gap between them now, as those statements for the movies no longer apply.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Anyway I think Zeno is the only one who could destroy all 12 universes at once, unless there is someone who is close to him, but I think it's implied that he's way stronger than whoever #2 is.

[Smilodon]

Anyway I think Zeno is the only one who could destroy all 12 universes at once, unless there is someone who is close to him, but I think it's implied that he's way stronger than whoever #2 is.

I agree, but if a fight between Champa vs Beerus could destroy both U7 and U6 (Whis and Vados said they can't fight because both universes would be gone)....What hell could happen if someone much stronger than them fight? For example Whis vs Vados would destroy only U6 and U7 or it could destroy everything else (remember Goku is 6, Beerus is 10 and Whis is 15 and Vados is possibly 15 or 16)...And that Daishinkan guy who is way stronger than Whis/Vados?

If you compare, it could be like this:

Champa = Yamcha (can destroy Earth)
Beerus = Kuririn
Whis = Goten SSJ
Vados = Trunks SSJ
Daishinkan = Future Trunks SSJ 2
Zen'o guards = We can't know, but they can be like Goku and Vegeta SSJ Blue in this scale or just like Goten SSJ and Trunks SSJ...
Zen'o = Beerus in this scale, but he doesn't fight...Just destroy if he wants.

[mAcChaos]

The movie numbers don't make sense anymore, or SSJ Blue Goku would be way stronger than Beerus, let alone with Kaioken.

But everyone acts like Beerus is still the superior.

[Perfectionist-Cell]

I'm going to have to say no due Toriyamas lack of creating legit feats.

Prime examples

Goku and Beerus can be argued to be universal+ put together but it is not legit since they only destroyed a couple of planets asteriod and stars. Which is nothing compared to a universe. Since 3 strikes were going to destroy the universe and yet did little to nothing?

After that Goku and Vegeta grow stronger due to training with Whis. Yet Vegeta dies to a planet explosion its obvious he had die from the explosion because Vegeta has been shown to hold his breath for minutes and could of flyed all the way to Whis since they weren't even that far away.

My point is nothing in Dragon Ball is legit it will always be statements and off screen. Until Toei does something about this Whis Vados and Daishinkai they will only be atleast 50% Beerus and Champa. Since Vegeta beat Dodoria with ease and is only 2000 above him. Shows a massive gap is not needed to easily beat someone.

[Saiyan007]

I'm going to have to say no due Toriyamas lack of creating legit feats.

Prime examples

Goku and Beerus can be argued to be universal+ put together but it is not legit since they only destroyed a couple of planets asteriod and stars. Which is nothing compared to a universe. Since 3 strikes were going to destroy the universe and yet did little to nothing?

If you actually watched the episode you would know Goku canceled out the strikes.

Not too mention the fact that the narrator himself in episode 13 flat out says Goku and Beerus are hitting each other with the power to destroy the universe.

Point being is that Goku and the rest of the Gods are hilariously strong.

After that Goku and Vegeta grow stronger due to training with Whis. Yet Vegeta dies to a planet explosion its obvious he had die from the explosion because Vegeta has been shown to hold his breath for minutes and could of flyed all the way to Whis since they weren't even that far away.

Beerus literally says that Freeza blowing up the planet was a good move since he can survive in space and Vegeta can't.Saiyans can't survive in space.

My point is nothing in Dragon Ball is legit it will always be statements and off screen.

And who are you to say things that happen off screen and credible people giving statements aren't legit?

[Lord Frieza]

When it comes to Beerus and Champa I wonder if there even is a gap at least in terms of raw power. Its only ever stated that Champa has poor stamina due ti his weight and diet and he didn't seem intimidated by Hit's time skip power or Goku's SSB kaio-ken x10 even after they glared at him, in fact he was confident he could kill them both.

Added: In re-guard to destroy the universe, wasn't that only because Goku had poor control of his god ki and Beerus didn't seem to care. With none of the universe 6 fighters haveing god ki and Goku and Vegeta haveing been trained to control their that should not happen again.

In fact I speculate that such an incident cannot occur unless a God of Destruction is involved.

[Perfectionist-Cell]

I'm going to have to say no due Toriyamas lack of creating legit feats.

Prime examples

Goku and Beerus can be argued to be universal+ put together but it is not legit since they only destroyed a couple of planets asteriod and stars. Which is nothing compared to a universe. Since 3 strikes were going to destroy the universe and yet did little to nothing?

If you actually watched the episode you would know Goku canceled out the strikes.

Not too mention the fact that the narrator himself in episode 13 flat out says Goku and Beerus are hitting each other with the power to destroy the universe.

Point being is that Goku and the rest of the Gods are hilariously strong.

After that Goku and Vegeta grow stronger due to training with Whis. Yet Vegeta dies to a planet explosion its obvious he had die from the explosion because Vegeta has been shown to hold his breath for minutes and could of flyed all the way to Whis since they weren't even that far away.

Beerus literally says that Freeza blowing up the planet was a good move since he can survive in space and Vegeta can't.Saiyans can't survive in space.

My point is nothing in Dragon Ball is legit it will always be statements and off screen.

And who are you to say things that happen off screen and credible people giving statements aren't legit?

What are you saying? You don't inmediately die in space the moment the planet blows up if you are someone like Vegeta stop making excuses. Where did Vegetas body go? Even humans in real life have survived in space with no oxygen for a couple of seconds. Vegeta is much stronger and has been shown to be able to survive with no oxygen for minutes. He died from the explosion case closed.


So you can hit with the power of the universe and cancel at the same time? How does this work? Goku only canceled it out on the 3rd time i believe. The rest were attemps that were not fully succceded, much more should gave been destroyed no matter how you look at it. Also the shockwaves were getting stronger which makes no sense so that makes them even weaker.

Dragon ball super needs some serious feats why do you suspect the best from the statements these db characters say? In episode 5 of DBS Goku says ssj2 can shatter a dimension yet was never shown.

[Nejishiki]

Dragon ball super needs some serious feats why do you suspect the best from the statements these db characters say? In episode 5 of DBS Goku says ssj2 can shatter a dimension yet was never shown.

Goku never stated that.

Minute: 13
Goku: “Punches from a Super Saiyan 2 ain’t even scratchin’ you…You really are somethin’. You’re on a whole different level.”
Significance: “Whole different level” is literally “different dimension”, like in the Kaio quote above. Some fansubbers mistranslated this line so that Goku claims the punches of a Super Saiyan 2 can break through dimensions and/or send his opponents to another dimension.

What are you saying? You don't inmediately die in space the moment the planet blows up if you are someone like Vegeta stop making excuses. Where did Vegetas body go? Even humans in real life have survived in space with no oxygen for a couple of seconds. Vegeta is much stronger and has been shown to be able to survive with no oxygen for minutes. He died from the explosion case closed.

Likewise, I'm afraid you can't make your statements with dismissive certainty, as the dialogue is ambiguous from the start. It's best to accept that interpretation is flexible. However, I think it's more likely it was due to lack of oxygen, seeing as there is precedence for this.

Minute: 11
Context: Freeza destroys Earth

Gohan: "What has he done?! The Earth..."
Bulma: "Vegeta, Trunks... Mom and Dad!"
Gohan: "Videl... Pan..."
Kuririn: "Maron... Number 18..."
Tenshinhan: "Damn that Freeza... He took everyone and everything with him!"
Whis: "No, Freeza is probably not dead."
Beerus: "He can survive even in the vacuum of space. That bastard used his head."

Significance: Reiterates that Freeza can survive in space, while the others cannot. There's been a bit of confusion as to whether or not Vegeta actually died, and that's certainly the implication. If the blast didn't kill him, the lack of oxygen would.

Chapter: 319 (DBZ 125), P14.4
Freeza: “I can survive in outer space. But how about you Saiyans!?”

Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P5.2
Kaio: “Nobody can survive where there’s no planet…Except for Freeza…”

Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P9.2
Context: after it turns out Planet Namek didn’t blow up
Freeza: “Chih…! Did I suppress my power too much…?!”
Goku: “It’s because you were afraid of getting caught up in the planet’s explosion yourself…You screwed up. Though thanks to that, I survived…”

Chapter: 412 (DBZ 218), P3.1, P4.2-3
Cell: “I’ll self-destruct in 1 minute…I’ll die, but so will all of you…! And the entire Earth…! [ ] Better not attack. I’ll explode the instant I receive any shock. You’ll just die a little bit sooner.”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P7.3
Context: Boo fires a ki blast at the Earth, but Vegeta repels it
Goku: “Th-that was close…! Th-that bastard, he tried to blow away the Earth right off the bat…Thank you, Vegeta…”

In either case, I insist that your belief isn't any more factual than another's belief. The details weren't elaborated nor were investigations issued to verify those particular accounts in-universe.

[Perfectionist-Cell]

Dragon ball super needs some serious feats why do you suspect the best from the statements these db characters say? In episode 5 of DBS Goku says ssj2 can shatter a dimension yet was never shown.

Goku never stated that.

Minute: 13
Goku: “Punches from a Super Saiyan 2 ain’t even scratchin’ you…You really are somethin’. You’re on a whole different level.”
Significance: “Whole different level” is literally “different dimension”, like in the Kaio quote above. Some fansubbers mistranslated this line so that Goku claims the punches of a Super Saiyan 2 can break through dimensions and/or send his opponents to another dimension.

What are you saying? You don't inmediately die in space the moment the planet blows up if you are someone like Vegeta stop making excuses. Where did Vegetas body go? Even humans in real life have survived in space with no oxygen for a couple of seconds. Vegeta is much stronger and has been shown to be able to survive with no oxygen for minutes. He died from the explosion case closed.

Likewise, I'm afraid you can't make your statements with dismissive certainty, as the dialogue is ambiguous from the start. It's best to accept that interpretation is flexible. However, I think it's more likely it was due to lack of oxygen, seeing as there is precedence for this.

Minute: 11
Context: Freeza destroys Earth

Gohan: "What has he done?! The Earth..."
Bulma: "Vegeta, Trunks... Mom and Dad!"
Gohan: "Videl... Pan..."
Kuririn: "Maron... Number 18..."
Tenshinhan: "Damn that Freeza... He took everyone and everything with him!"
Whis: "No, Freeza is probably not dead."
Beerus: "He can survive even in the vacuum of space. That bastard used his head."

Significance: Reiterates that Freeza can survive in space, while the others cannot. There's been a bit of confusion as to whether or not Vegeta actually died, and that's certainly the implication. If the blast didn't kill him, the lack of oxygen would.

Chapter: 319 (DBZ 125), P14.4
Freeza: “I can survive in outer space. But how about you Saiyans!?”

Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P5.2
Kaio: “Nobody can survive where there’s no planet…Except for Freeza…”

Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P9.2
Context: after it turns out Planet Namek didn’t blow up
Freeza: “Chih…! Did I suppress my power too much…?!”
Goku: “It’s because you were afraid of getting caught up in the planet’s explosion yourself…You screwed up. Though thanks to that, I survived…”

Chapter: 412 (DBZ 218), P3.1, P4.2-3
Cell: “I’ll self-destruct in 1 minute…I’ll die, but so will all of you…! And the entire Earth…! [ ] Better not attack. I’ll explode the instant I receive any shock. You’ll just die a little bit sooner.”

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P7.3
Context: Boo fires a ki blast at the Earth, but Vegeta repels it
Goku: “Th-that was close…! Th-that bastard, he tried to blow away the Earth right off the bat…Thank you, Vegeta…”

In either case, I insist that your belief isn't any more factual than another's belief. The details weren't elaborated nor were investigations issued to verify those particular accounts in-universe.

Even if Vegeta had died from the lack of oxygen it should been minutes after. He could of flown to Whis who was about 500-2000 ft away. He died from the explosion. They even admit he died they didn't even sense Vegeta which i find quite weird because they didn't sense Frieza either.

Those were all proven statements except Frieza not wanting to get caught in the explosion he survived his own explosion with less than half his body. Best durability feat shown in dbz.

Kaio is wrong. He should of said no one can survive in space for long/forever like Frieza can.

So fans screw that up i get a little worried about these subs now.