Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Fionordequester]

Regardless, he was still a mass-murderer the first time they interacted. The one's he killed weren't even brought back. I believe this was even brought up while they were making the wishes, so Bulma would have known.

Ok, but the first time is still semantics. You're technically right, but, not in a way that I find convincing. I don't think "technically right" is generally good enough to address the other person's point in a debate. Does that make sense?

Are we really gonna argue on if Vegeta's a psycho when we first meet him? Cause a dude who blows up planets and murders entire species with the same glee we eat our favorite meals definitely makes him a messed up little midget.

Actually, the argument was "was he psychotic when he first met Bulma, not when we first saw him". And we weren't arguing whether or not Vegeta was "psycho"; we were arguing over whether or not he was psychotic. World of difference between those two terms !

[Kamiccolo9]

Are we really gonna argue on if Vegeta's a psycho when we first meet him? Cause a dude who blows up planets and murders entire species with the same glee we eat our favorite meals definitely makes him a messed up little midget.

In the manga, we haven't seen or heard of him doing any of that. Vegeta's biggest kill count comes from the Namekian village.

[Kamiccolo9]

Regardless, he was still a mass-murderer the first time they interacted. The one's he killed weren't even brought back. I believe this was even brought up while they were making the wishes, so Bulma would have known.

Ok, but the first time is still semantics. You're technically right, but, not in a way that I find convincing. I don't think "technically right" is generally good enough to address the other person's point in a debate. Does that make sense?

I think you misunderstood me. Even if you consider their interactions on Earth to be the "first" interactions that Bulma had with Vegeta, he had already murdered an entire village, and bragged about them not being able to come back, while in Bulma's presence. I'm not seeing the "technicality" here.

[Fionordequester]

I think you misunderstood me. Even if you consider their interactions on Earth to be the "first" interactions that Bulma had with Vegeta, he had already murdered an entire village, and bragged about them not being able to come back, while in Bulma's presence. I'm not seeing the "technicality" here.

But you said their interaction on Earth WASN'T the first time they met; it was on Namek! And I was pointing out how such a technicality wasn't useful to your point, since they only "met" for like, five seconds.

As for the scene on Earth...wasn't that filler? I thought the manga just had him skip straight to "here's how to revive Goku, I'm going to be all socially withdrawn now".

[ekrolo2]

Are we really gonna argue on if Vegeta's a psycho when we first meet him? Cause a dude who blows up planets and murders entire species with the same glee we eat our favorite meals definitely makes him a messed up little midget.

In the manga, we haven't seen or heard of him doing any of that. Vegeta's biggest kill count comes from the Namekian village.

The first time we're introduced to him he's just finished killing some people and eating them, plus we know from Raditz that the Saiyan's destroy planets for money. Even if we don't see it, there isn't much wiggling room left for Vegeta here.

[Kamiccolo9]

I think you misunderstood me. Even if you consider their interactions on Earth to be the "first" interactions that Bulma had with Vegeta, he had already murdered an entire village, and bragged about them not being able to come back, while in Bulma's presence. I'm not seeing the "technicality" here.

But you said their interaction on Earth WASN'T the first time they met; it was on Namek! And I was pointing out how such a technicality wasn't useful to your point, since they only "met" for like, five seconds.

As for the scene on Earth...wasn't that filler? I thought the manga just had him skip straight to "here's how to revive Goku, I'm going to be all introverted now".

Go back and read what I wrote. First I said that, then you objected to me using that as their "first meeting," so I made my second post going under the assumption that their interaction on Earth was the "first" meeting.

Furthermore, my initial point was merely that Vegeta was a mass-murdering psychopath by the time he met Bulma. Whether Bulma knew about it or not was irrelevant to that fact. I was not joining in your all's argument; I was correcting your mistake. The point is, regardless of what you consider Vegeta's first meeting with Bulma to be, he was a mass-murderer (on-panel), and displayed all those helpful characteristics of psychopaths you posted earlier. Which contradicts your post that I responded to:

Oh don't get me wrong, he was a psychopath...just not a MASS MURDERING psychopath! Not when he met Bulma!

[Fionordequester]

Go back and read what I wrote. First I said that, then you objected to me using that as their "first meeting," so I made my second post going under the assumption that their interaction on Earth was the "first" meeting.

Furthermore, my initial point was merely that Vegeta was a mass-murdering psychopath by the time he met Bulma. Whether Bulma knew about it or not was irrelevant to that fact. I was not joining in your all's argument; I was correcting your mistake. The point is, regardless of what you consider Vegeta's first meeting with Bulma to be, he was a mass-murderer (on-panel), and displayed all those helpful characteristics of psychopaths you posted earlier. Which contradicts your post that I responded to:

Oh don't get me wrong, he was a psychopath...just not a MASS MURDERING psychopath! Not when he met Bulma!

Blast...sorry about that. From the way you worded it, I thought you were saying that it didn't matter whether or not their first meeting was only five seconds:

Regardless, he was still a mass-murderer the first time they interacted. The one's he killed weren't even brought back. I believe this was even brought up while they were making the wishes, so Bulma would have known.

So what I thought you were saying was "so what if their first meeting was only five seconds? The point is, he was still a mass-murder when he first met her on Namek". That's what got me confused.

But yeah, I guess he was still a mass-murderer. I often forget that things don't take nearly as long as they seem to when I'm watching the anime; so thinking about it now, everything between Zarbon's death to Planet Namek blowing up took place over the span of, what, one day? So, I concede the argument. He WAS a mass-murderer !

[rereboy]

It's pretty clear that Vegeta is a genocidal mercenary when he first appears. The gang is told that fact about the saiyans and we see enough to know it's true. In fact, it's clear that Vegeta is bad even for a saiyan because he kills Nappa and even Nappa is surprised by it.

[coola]

In theory, soul can be destroyed in Dragon World, but how he plan to do that? He would have to kill Ginyu, and move to Other World...why am i asking? Its Vegetto

[TonyTheTiger]

I bet he's bluffing. More importantly, he's holding Ginyu in a "safe" position so he can't change with anyone other than Bra. But that reflection in the glass...

[FoolsGil]

Sigh...It's now time to move ahead with the plot. Bra will get back her body. Ginyu will either cease to exist or be at the Arcosian's mercy when he's back in Kold...At least we'll have the memories, this seriously has been the most fun I've had in this entire webcomic.

[SSJFutureTrunks]

He has to be bluffing, unless he learned some move to reverse the switch.

[BlazingBarrrager]

He has to be bluffing, unless he learned some move to reverse the switch.

He's definitely bluffing...unless Salagir came up with a way for Vegetto to rip out souls.

...you know this dark tone of Vegetto is actually interesting and showcasing how dangerous it is for him to exist.

[SSJFutureTrunks]

He has to be bluffing, unless he learned some move to reverse the switch.

He's definitely bluffing...unless Salagir came up with a way for Vegetto to rip out souls.

...you know this dark tone of Vegetto is actually interesting and showcasing how dangerous it is for him to exist.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely right?

[BlazingBarrrager]

He has to be bluffing, unless he learned some move to reverse the switch.

He's definitely bluffing...unless Salagir came up with a way for Vegetto to rip out souls.

...you know this dark tone of Vegetto is actually interesting and showcasing how dangerous it is for him to exist.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely right?

Oh definitely, and we all saw how Broli turned out.

[SSJFutureTrunks]

Have we heard any mention of Vegetto training since he beat Buu? I mean, his SSJ3 form was immensely powerful, but he doesn't seem like the type of person to go mad with power.

[rereboy]

He has to be bluffing, unless he learned some move to reverse the switch.

He's definitely bluffing...unless Salagir came up with a way for Vegetto to rip out souls.

...you know this dark tone of Vegetto is actually interesting and showcasing how dangerous it is for him to exist.

No need for a fancy new technique. Vegetto could just kill him and then find his soul, teleport to it and kill him again. As established in the Buu arc, it's possible for someone to be killed again while dead and if that happens, the person is gone forever, and as we've seen, Vegetto, with his teleportation techniques has no trouble going anywhere he likes.

Of course, it is possible that Vegetto has indeed found a way to destroy the soul while killing a person, a kind of 2-for-1 deal, but frankly there is no need for that at all when he can just the soul a little later.

And it is also possible for him to be bluffing, but considering that all he would need to fulfill his threat would be to go after Ginyu's soul to kill him again, this is probably the less likely scenario, imo.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

He has to be bluffing, unless he learned some move to reverse the switch.

He's definitely bluffing...unless Salagir came up with a way for Vegetto to rip out souls.

...you know this dark tone of Vegetto is actually interesting and showcasing how dangerous it is for him to exist.

No need for a fancy new technique. Vegetto could just kill him and then find his soul, teleport to it and kill him again. As established in the Buu arc, it's possible for someone to be killed again while dead and if that happens, the person is gone forever.

But that would require Vegetto to go to the afterlife, which he may or may not be able to do from the tournament grounds.

[rereboy]

He's definitely bluffing...unless Salagir came up with a way for Vegetto to rip out souls.

...you know this dark tone of Vegetto is actually interesting and showcasing how dangerous it is for him to exist.

No need for a fancy new technique. Vegetto could just kill him and then find his soul, teleport to it and kill him again. As established in the Buu arc, it's possible for someone to be killed again while dead and if that happens, the person is gone forever.

But that would require Vegetto to go to the afterlife, which he may or may not be able to do from the tournament grounds.

Goku could easily go to the afterlife as shown in manga. In DBM, Vegetto has shown several times that he's significantly better than Goku ever was at traveling to wherever he wants with his teleportation techniques, so I don't see how he would have a problem with that.

[BlazingBarrrager]

He's definitely bluffing...unless Salagir came up with a way for Vegetto to rip out souls.

...you know this dark tone of Vegetto is actually interesting and showcasing how dangerous it is for him to exist.

No need for a fancy new technique. Vegetto could just kill him and then find his soul, teleport to it and kill him again. As established in the Buu arc, it's possible for someone to be killed again while dead and if that happens, the person is gone forever.

But that would require Vegetto to go to the afterlife, which he may or may not be able to do from the tournament grounds.

Is there even an afterlife in the Universe they're in since it's supposed to be absent of any life whatsoever? U16 Pan leans on this saying she doesn't remember what happened while she was dead.
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