"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

If Nozawa is/was pushing the exclusion of Gohan, I love her even more now.

Why? How does Gohan's exclusion benefit you?

He doesn't like the character.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

If Nozawa is/was pushing the exclusion of Gohan, I love her even more now.

Why? How does Gohan's exclusion benefit you?

Makes the show less boring. He's genuinely a boring character when he's not being a normal person plus Vegeta has already taken his place for unearned power ups so we don't need two of them, there is absolutely no point for Gohan now other then for forced fan service like Mr. Vegetto.

[Anime Kitten]

Makes the show less boring. He's genuinely a boring character when he's not being a normal person plus Vegeta has already taken his place for unearned power ups so we don't need two of them, there is absolutely no point for Gohan now other then for forced fan service like Mr. Vegetto.

That's your opinion, though. Just like it's my opinion that Goku's had enough screentime, and it seems very, very off to actually stop watching an entire show just because your favorite character is taken out. But that's not my choice to make.

My point being that I don't want any more Goku for anything other than SSJB and world building, but I wouldn't be happy if Ms. Nozawa suddenly couldn't voice Goku. That's just mean.

[TheMikado]

If Nozawa is/was pushing the exclusion of Gohan, I love her even more now.

Why? How does Gohan's exclusion benefit you?

Makes the show less boring. He's genuinely a boring character when he's not being a normal person plus Vegeta has already taken his place for unearned power ups so we don't need two of them, there is absolutely no point for Gohan now other then for forced fan service like Mr. Vegetto.

I think you're missing the context here. The issue isn't that Gohan is being written out organically in universe, it's that he's being excluded due to external out of universe factors. I'm not saying this is the case, but maybe this was an episode that Gohan reaffirmed his commitment to training or something else with his character which made him "less boring" but the opportunity has now been taking away now and possibly in the future as well rather than organically in the story. I'm not saying that any of the is the case but I also recognize that my preferences aren't everyone's preferences and that other types of fans should be able to enjoy the series too.

[TekTheNinja]

I AM beginning to think that this is the reason for Gohan and Goten's exclusion throughout this series. If this is the case I'm even more pissed off about that than I was before. I mean I'm sorry, but if Nozawa can't voice them, just recast them. I'm sick of those two Disappearing. Gohan used to be a main character and Goten needs development. Stop fucking excluding them. UGHHHHHHHHHH...

[ekrolo2]

I'd be fine with Nozawa's Goku being her sole focus if I didn't hate her performance in Super, I literally cannot think of any scene apart from 61s rage out moment where Goku sounds anything but a total pants shitting moron. Her performance literally has nothing resembling range with him which is really odd since Black sounded great.

I'm nothing approaching a hater of the original cast but needless to say, Schemmel's sole clip from Super sounded considerably less grating to me than Nozawa's... almost everything from the show proper. Seriously, I see a few episodes even from Kai where she has plenty of range as Goku and here it's pants shitting slobbering moron 99.999999% of the time.

[kinisking]

I AM beginning to think that this is the reason for Gohan and Goten's exclusion throughout this series. If this is the case I'm even more pissed off about that than I was before. I mean I'm sorry, but if Nozawa can't voice them, just recast them. I'm sick of those two Disappearing. Gohan used to be a main character and Goten needs development. Stop fucking excluding them. UGHHHHHHHHHH...

Honestly, she should never have voiced Gohan and Goten from the start.

[HeroR]

Some of the posts here reads like a desperate attempt to explain Gohan and Goten's lack of involvement in Super when they don't want to accept that Toriyama doesn't give them a thing to do. Gohan didn't even have a cameo during the Champa Saga in the manga. He also has less tan a role in the Future Trunks Saga, while Toei gave him an entire episode.

If you think Toriyama is writing his outline for his story because of a single actresses, you're in serious denial.

[nite_jay]

I'd be fine with Nozawa's Goku being her sole focus if I didn't hate her performance in Super, I literally cannot think of any scene apart from 61s rage out moment where Goku sounds anything but a total pants shitting moron. Her performance literally has nothing resembling range with him which is really odd since Black sounded great.

I'm nothing approaching a hater of the original cast but needless to say, Schemmel's sole clip from Super sounded considerably less grating to me than Nozawa's... almost everything from the show proper. Seriously, I see a few episodes even from Kai where she has plenty of range as Goku and here it's pants shitting slobbering moron 99.999999% of the time.

I kinda agree with this. I think she might just be at the point where she can't do some of the more subtle tones she could do before. I do like her performance in 63 right before Goku and Zamasu fight eachother, though. I wish she'd do more things like that.

[DragonBallFoodie]

I AM beginning to think that this is the reason for Gohan and Goten's exclusion throughout this series. If this is the case I'm even more pissed off about that than I was before. I mean I'm sorry, but if Nozawa can't voice them, just recast them. I'm sick of those two Disappearing. Gohan used to be a main character and Goten needs development. Stop fucking excluding them. UGHHHHHHHHHH...

Honestly, she should never have voiced Gohan and Goten from the start.

Nozawa has voiced Goku, his kids Gohan and Goten, and his descendant Goku Jr and his dad Bardock.

That is pretty impressive, but if she wants to drop them I can understand, her workload is impressive for her age but no need to add to it.

But to be fair, they can just cast Goten as an older characters for when puberty has changed his voice.

[kinisking]

Some of the posts here reads like a desperate attempt to explain Gohan and Goten's lack of involvement in Super when they don't want to accept that Toriyama doesn't give them a thing to do. Gohan didn't even have a cameo during the Champa Saga in the manga. He also has less tan a role in the Future Trunks Saga, while Toei gave him an entire episode.

If you think Toriyama is writing his outline for his story because of a single actresses, you're in serious denial.

It's a possibility.

He's the one who hand picked Nozawa after all. So he has some degree of respect for her. Not only that, but super is a culmination of Toei and Toriyama's efforts. If they ask to lessen the load, he most likely will. Japan loves their voice actors.

Gohan had a good role in both BOG and ROF. It's only in super where he's declined dramatically. Movies wouldn't be a huge strain on Nozawa but a show is a different thing entirely.

Also, it'd explain why goten doesn't say anything half of the time.

[HeroR]

Some of the posts here reads like a desperate attempt to explain Gohan and Goten's lack of involvement in Super when they don't want to accept that Toriyama doesn't give them a thing to do. Gohan didn't even have a cameo during the Champa Saga in the manga. He also has less tan a role in the Future Trunks Saga, while Toei gave him an entire episode.

If you think Toriyama is writing his outline for his story because of a single actresses, you're in serious denial.

It's a possibility.

He's the one who hand picked Nozawa after all. So he has some degree of respect for her. Not only that, but super is a culmination of Toei and Toriyama's efforts. If they ask to lessen the load, he most likely will. Japan loves their voice actors.

Gohan had a good role in both BOG and ROF. It's only in super where he's declined dramatically. Movies wouldn't be a huge strain on Nozawa but a show is a different thing entirely.

Also, it'd explain why goten doesn't say anything half of the time.

Toriyama created Goku Black, giving her more work, not less. So this narrative doesn't make any sense other than fans not accepting that Toriyama himself excluded them for his own reasons. Goten was also not in Reserrection 'F' and Gohan's role in BOG was nothing to write home about.

[ekrolo2]

The reason Gohan and Goten get nothing to do is because Toriyama has no interest in pursuing anything with them. Not because Nozawa wants a smaller work load.

[Noah]

No this wasn't confirmed, I even stated in the post below that it was me putting two and two together and I was referring to a possibility..
Her voice actress said she doesn't want to overwork, the title had goku dies and next one had counterattack..
It seems that goku dying has a greater possibility, hence my conclusion
Sorry for the inconvenience

Oh thanks for clearing up that matter



I wonder if today's episode is gonna have some homage to the Chapecoense aircraft disaster, considering the whole word is doing it, that would be something nice to see

[Anime Kitten]

The reason Gohan and Goten get nothing to do is because Toriyama has no interest in pursuing anything with them. Not because Nozawa wants a smaller work load.

Unfortunately, yeah, that seems most likely. I find it unlikely that she would intentionally hinder a relevant story just because she needed a break.

Also that avatar looks familiar

[ekrolo2]

The reason Gohan and Goten get nothing to do is because Toriyama has no interest in pursuing anything with them. Not because Nozawa wants a smaller work load.

Unfortunately, yeah, that seems most likely. I find it unlikely that she would intentionally hinder a relevant story just because she needed a break.

Also that avatar looks familiar

Toei are Gohan's only hope now. They're the one's who keep giving him scenes in between fighting while he hasn't made an aapearance since chapter 5 of the manga. He hasn't been mentioned at all during the mangas Black arc either.

[kinisking]

The reason Gohan and Goten get nothing to do is because Toriyama has no interest in pursuing anything with them. Not because Nozawa wants a smaller work load.

Unfortunately, yeah, that seems most likely. I find it unlikely that she would intentionally hinder a relevant story just because she needed a break.

Also that avatar looks familiar

It's definitely most likely but it's still a possibility that Nozawa has had an impact on their roles in the past and will in the future.

[namekiansaiyan]

The reason Gohan and Goten get nothing to do is because Toriyama has no interest in pursuing anything with them. Not because Nozawa wants a smaller work load.

Exactly and to me any excuse that moves them two behind other fighting characters is a good thing.

[Grimlock]

Too bad it lasted short.

[Will]