Abra kadabra wrote:I've been reading around and I think black might be letting himself get teabagged. He says he doesn't have SSR "yet". And Trunks can tell that somethings a little fishy. I think the tables are gonna turn next chapter
Ok that makes more sense but I still don't like how everything is so screwy between versions. Depending on what you read/watched you have a completely different interpretation of things.
EH not really. The main plot details would be the same
"Vegeta fights Black. He's seemingly winning. Black unveils a new form. Starts stomping with Zamasu's help. Heroes use a technique to gain some hope. OH NO WE MUST FUSE. OK WE WILL FUSE TOO. NO SCREW YOU GUYS, THIS IS MY ARC AND I'LL FINISH THIS
Abra kadabra wrote:I've been reading around and I think black might be letting himself get teabagged. He says he doesn't have SSR "yet". And Trunks can tell that somethings a little fishy. I think the tables are gonna turn next chapter
Ok that makes more sense but I still don't like how everything is so screwy between versions. Depending on what you read/watched you have a completely different interpretation of things.
How is that a bad thing?
The differences are what makes having Toyotaro's interpretation be worth it.
Okay leaving the power level debate to one side now..
Anyone else intrigued by the back and forth between the fight in Trunks' timeline and the Zamasu confrontation in the main timeline?
Kaioshin of U7 is shown with a time ring for some reason.. perhaps he went into Trunks' future to confirm it was Zamasu??
It really seems like there is something fishy going on that directly relates to Zamasu showing up and healing Black(Kaioshin still talks worriedly about something after Beerus kills Zamasu).
Perhaps this is what was meant with Beerus killing Zamasu and creating another timeline, where he didn't die and this Zamasu is the one who healed Black???
Damn this is why I wish I just knew Japanese!
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
I don't think much stock should be put on that statement, he completely changed BoG, Toriyama made a big deal about ending the fight in regular SS. To him what maybe deemed important could be different to someone else. Ie Goku dropping out of SSG.
Abra kadabra wrote:I've been reading around and I think black might be letting himself get teabagged. He says he doesn't have SSR "yet". And Trunks can tell that somethings a little fishy. I think the tables are gonna turn next chapter
Never thought about that. Good theory. But Black looked he was intending to kill Vegeta from the get-go. I mean, if he wasn't, wouldn't have transformed in the first place. He looked visibly pissed at how much SSJ2 Vegeta was kicking his ass, so he was obviously trying hard.
SansrivaaL wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Damn now powerscaling is screwed up here too. It looked like base Black was handling things fine...he musta weakened himself by transforming .
Meh Goku is just that weak SSJ2 Vegeta>SSJ Black>Base Black>Trunks SSJ2=Goku SSJ3, Trunks was lucky it was Goku that tested him out, if it was Vegeta freaking base Vegeta would have 1H.K.O.
How can that make any kind of sense?
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
SS2 Vegeta beating SS2 Black seems too much, mostly because base Black beated a high level SS2 Trunks. It would have made more sense if Vegeta went to the blue form from the begining. Obviously, SSB Vegeta crushes Black, that is fine.
We still have to wait to see if he is going to use the SSR or the fusion next. I'm not very fan of the rose, even if it comes from Toriyama, so I'd prefer if they fuse.
Hope we get a translation soon, many things need further explanations.
looking at some of the scans and forthe 1sttime toto messed up ssj2 hair. Black's ssj2 hair looks like ssj1, and also vegeta's ssj2 hair is wrong, it's supposed to split on his widows peak and the hair is a tad bit shorter for his ssj2 as well
buutenks wrote:Quite an odd inconsistency, especially since it would have easily been avoided had Vegeta beat Black as a ssj blue from the get go.
That's the most frustrating thing about all of this. This could have been so easily avoided. Just don't have SSJ2 Vegeta fight Black at all and power scaling remains fine and workable. But, no. Toyataro just had to have to Vegeta retain the image of "Wrecker Of Your Shit". This chapter has single-handedly fucked up everything.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I like the direction Toriyama has the anime and manga going.
Also, people are getting ahead of themselves again. Just cause Black went SSJ here does not automatically mean he still can't go Rose.
Wow, how many people always jump the gun and incorrectly say things like kai and gods of destruction being a set is "lulz anime only" or vice versa.
Wait.
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Lord Beerus wrote:I'm putting the blame for this scenario 100% on Toriyama. It's ultimately his outline for the plot that Toyataro is following and it's clear he didn't think any of this through. He's put Toyataro and the Toei anime writing staff in a corner with his bare bones and contradictory plot outline. This is all on him. Toriyama giving Toyataro carte blanche in regards to the plot of the manga certainly didn't help either.
Did you see the outline. If you have, can I see your copy?
Mate, let's stop pretending Toriyama is kinda of God immune to criticism. He's the author and we'll be always grateful for his work in the past, but it's not that hard to think that maybe the problems with manga/anime are his fault.
SansrivaaL wrote:
OLKv3 wrote:Black is obviously sandbagging the fight, that's obvious from Base Black struggling with SSJ2 Vegeta, after he stomped SSJ2 Trunks. Trunks in this chapter is even confused and worried
He's surprised because its been a long time since he saw Black go SSJ, he fought him in SSJ before but eventually gotten stronger to the point of not needing it against him anymore, which is hell a weird because Trunks SSJ2=Goku SSJ3.
What is more weird is that Vegeta was impressed with SSJ2 Trunks being greater than SSJ3 Goku, thus indicating that he probably couldn't do the same, but yet he does.
OLKv3 wrote:I wish we had the DB editors
Yes, Toyotaro is a jackass, he doesn't fit for this job, I wish he could be replaced for someone more skilled.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote:Mate, let's stop pretending Toriyama is kinda of God immune to criticism. He's the author and we'll be always grateful for his work in the past, but it's not that hard to think that maybe the problems with manga/anime are his fault.
Your words fall on deaf ears, the original creator is always right/the best, unless it's inconvenient like every superhero ever or Star Wars.
Noah wrote:Yes, Toyotaro is a jackass, he doesn't fit for this job, I wish he could be replaced for someone more skilled.
Toyotaro would make a good editor I think but he's not a good writer, his work on this arc so far has really shown that he cannot engage the audience on any level whatsoever.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Noah wrote:Yes, Toyotaro is a jackass, he doesn't fit for this job, I wish he could be replaced for someone more skilled.
Toriyama chose Toyotaro who he believes mimics his art style the best.
So why is he incompetent? When he follows what Toriyama gives him.
ekrolo2 wrote:
Noah wrote:Mate, let's stop pretending Toriyama is kinda of God immune to criticism. He's the author and we'll be always grateful for his work in the past, but it's not that hard to think that maybe the problems with manga/anime are his fault.
Your words fall on deaf ears, the original creator is always right/the best, unless it's inconvenient like every superhero ever or Star Wars.
Noah wrote:Yes, Toyotaro is a jackass, he doesn't fit for this job, I wish he could be replaced for someone more skilled.
Toyotaro would make a good editor I think but he's not a good writer, his work on this arc so far has really shown that he cannot engage the audience on any level whatsoever.
Miracles wrote:Where hasn't Toriyama reached the audience?
I was referring to Toyotaro: his work is completely hollow, there's nothing there to grab your attention and keep you reading. Even the art isn't that great when you see what some other guys are doing in the doujinshi circles Toyotaro started out from.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Noah wrote:
Mate, let's stop pretending Toriyama is kinda of God immune to criticism. He's the author and we'll be always grateful for his work in the past, but it's not that hard to think that maybe the problems with manga/anime are his fault.
You would think we would be past this considering Toriyama was responsible for the abomination known as ROF.
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