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[rereboy]

And Raichi is the villain that DB needs.

An gimmicky character that, if he wins, doesn't even want to use the wish to bring back all the victims he keeps talking about and instead prefers to just keep sulking about it? He's not even that much of a villain in DBM besides wanting to kill saiyans (like #16 wants for Goku).

[Doctor.]

And Raichi is the villain that DB needs.

An gimmicky character that, if he wins, doesn't even want to use the wish to bring back all the victims he keeps talking about and instead prefers to just keep sulking about it? He's not even that much of a villain in DBM besides wanting to kill saiyans (like #16 wants for Goku).

He's Baby done right.

[ekrolo2]

And Raichi is the villain that DB needs.

An gimmicky character that, if he wins, doesn't even want to use the wish to bring back all the victims he keeps talking about and instead prefers to just keep sulking about it? He's not even that much of a villain in DBM besides wanting to kill saiyans (like #16 wants for Goku).

He's Baby done right.

As much as I like standard Baby, DBM Raichi is that concept fully realized and refined to a mirror sheen.

[rereboy]

And Raichi is the villain that DB needs.

An gimmicky character that, if he wins, doesn't even want to use the wish to bring back all the victims he keeps talking about and instead prefers to just keep sulking about it? He's not even that much of a villain in DBM besides wanting to kill saiyans (like #16 wants for Goku).

He's Baby done right.

Baby couldn't care less about innocents or the inhabitants of Earth and he successfully enslaved them all.

This Raichi makes it a point of not harming innocents and only focus on Saiyans who he considers evil due to his hate for them. And that hate makes him say illogical things like "the dead don't return". Er... yeah, they do. With the dragon balls, they, literally, do. We have already seen it happen in this very tournament...

[Doctor.]

Baby couldn't care less about innocents or the inhabitants of Earth and he successfully enslaved them all.

Which is why Raichi is Baby done right.

This Raichi makes it a point of not harming innocents and only focus on Saiyans who he considers evil due to his hate for them. And that hate makes him say illogical things like "the dead don't return". Er... yeah, they do. With the dragon balls, they, literally, do.

Pretty sure it was meant to be taken metaphorically.

[rereboy]

Which is why Raichi is Baby done right.

I guess, if your view for Baby is to be much less evil and villain-like.

Pretty sure it was meant to be taken metaphorically.

He was literally asked if he didn't plan/want to use his wish to reverse the death of the innocents he was talking about. His response implies that he doesn't plan/want to, offering a bullsh*t reason like "the dead don't return". That's my point.

[Doctor.]

I guess, if your view for Baby is to be much less evil and villain-like.

You don't need to be Twirly McEvil Moustache to be a villain. Raichi is a villain because he wants every group of Saiyans dead, including the ones from U16 and U18 which are completely innocent of the reasons he wants the Saiyans dead for.

Baby whole shtick is that he wanted revenge on the Saiyans for they had done to his race. For him then to turn around and do the same thing to innocent species doesn't make him relatable. In this sense, I find Raichi to be the perfected concept of what Baby was supposed to be. He wants revenge on the Saiyans and his hatred sticks to the Saiyans.

He was literally asked if he didn't plan/want to use his wish to reverse the death of the innocents he was talking about. His response implies that he doesn't plan/want to, offering a bullsh*t reason like "the dead don't return". That's my point.

Yes, and I'm saying that was metaphorical. He's not saying the dead don't return in the sense that "if I wished them back with the DBs, the wish wouldn't work", he's saying it in the sense that their time has passed and there's no use in bringing them back to life.

[King Bardock]

Pretty sure it was meant to be taken metaphorically.

He was literally asked if he didn't plan/want to use his wish to reverse the death of the innocents he was talking about. His response implies that he doesn't plan/want to, offering a bullsh*t reason like "the dead don't return". That's my point.

The whole point of Raichi is that he's someone so obsessed with hatred and revenge that he'd rather use his wish to destroy any surviving Saiyans in his and other universes (as stated in the novel) than revive his race. Basically his hatred for Saiyans>his love for the dead members of his species. Even if he wished them back it wouldn't really feel the same for him. Pages 671 to 674 shed a bit more insight as to his viewpoints and why he'd feel wishing back the dead would be pointless.

[rereboy]

You don't need to be Twirly McEvil Moustache to be a villain. Raichi is a villain because he wants every group of Saiyans dead, including the ones from U16 and U18 which are completely innocent of the reasons he wants the Saiyans dead for.

Baby whole shtick is that he wanted revenge on the Saiyans for they had done to his race. For him then to turn around and do the same thing to innocent species doesn't make him relatable. In this sense, I find Raichi to be the perfected concept of what Baby was supposed to be. He wants revenge on the Saiyans and his hatred sticks to the Saiyans.

Of course not, but I never got the impression that the point of Baby was to be just an depressed guy who doesn't hurt any innocents and has an extreme hate-obsession regarding saiyans, which is what DBM-Raichi is and why he doesn't even want to bring back the innocent despite going on and on about that and despite portraying himself as a fighter for justice.

Baby was actually meant to be evil besides wanting revenge and being obsessed with saiyans.

Yes, and I'm saying that was metaphorical. He's not saying the dead don't return in the sense that "if I wished them back with the DBs, the wish wouldn't work", he's saying it in the sense that their time has passed and there's no use in bringing them back to life.

It's ok to go on and on about the innocent and how they, their civilizations and their planets were destroyed by the saiyans, but when he has the chance to actually nullify the consequences of what the saiyans did, bring back their whole civilizations and their planets, making it possible for victims to have children and continue to influence his universe with descendants for centuries to come, he just thinks "nah, no point, they wouldn't want that, better to keep the effects of what the saiyans did"...? Honestly, that's bullsh*t. He doesn't want to bring them back because he is too depressed and too obsessed with a long irrelevant hate to actually think of the victims first like he thinks he does.

He was literally asked if he didn't plan/want to use his wish to reverse the death of the innocents he was talking about. His response implies that he doesn't plan/want to, offering a bullsh*t reason like "the dead don't return". That's my point.

The whole point of Raichi is that he's someone so obsessed with hatred and revenge that he'd rather use his wish to destroy any surviving Saiyans in his and other universes (as stated in the novel) than revive his race. Basically his hatred for Saiyans>his love for the dead members of his species. Even if he wished them back it wouldn't really feel the same for him. Pages 671 to 674 shed a bit more insight as to his viewpoints and why he'd feel wishing back the dead would be pointless.

I agree. But while that's fine for Raichi, it's not really fine for the "villain" that DBM needs, imo, or even Baby who, imo, was meant to actually be evil besides all the saiyan thing.

[Doctor.]

Of course not, but I never got the impression that the point of Baby was to be just an depressed guy who doesn't hurt any innocents and has an extreme hate-obsession regarding saiyans, which is what DBM-Raichi is and why he doesn't even want to bring back the innocent despite going on and on about that and portraying himself as a fighter for justice.

Baby was actually meant to be evil besides wanting revenge and being obsessed by saiyans.

My impression of Baby is that he's an hypocrite blinded by his power lust. That doesn't make him very interesting, especially when he has that whole revenge thing they could have built on but decided not to.

nd portraying himself as a fighter for justice.

Raichi has never done this. He even corrected Tapion when he was called a good person.

It's ok to go on and on about the innocent and how they, their civilizations and their planets were destroyed by the saiyans, but when he has the chance to actually nullify the consequences of what the saiyans did, bring back their whole civilizations and their planets, making it possible for victims to have children and continue to influence his universe with descendants for centuries to come, he just thinks "nah, no point, they wouldn't want that, better to keep the effects of what the saiyans did"...? Honestly, that's bullsh*t. He doesn't want to bring them back because he is too depressed and too obsessed with a long irrelevant hate to actually think of the victims first like he thinks he does.

The point is that he's more blinded by his hatred than he is for doing the right thing. He's selfish, big deal, that's the number one trait of a villain.

[FoolsGil]

Well, the best villains are the ones who think they are the heroes. So, I like this concept of Raichi.

[rereboy]

My impression of Baby is that he's an hypocrite blinded by his power lust. That doesn't make him very interesting, especially when he has that whole revenge thing they could have built on but decided not to.

The defining difference between the two is the evilness, imo. Like I said, it fits if your view for baby is for him to be less evil and villain-like.

Raichi has never done this. He even corrected Tapion when he was called a good person.

It's just a description, no point in being too picky about the term. The point is that Raichi constantly presents himself as someone outraged by the actions of the Saiyans, empathizing the innocents and other notions like peace (like he did while talking to Gast). Whether you agree a term like "fighter for justice" fits or if you would prefer another, is not really what matters.

The point is that he's more blinded by his hatred than he is for doing the right thing. He's selfish, big deal, that's the number one trait of a villain.

And that's the villain DBM needs? A depressed guy who goes on and on about the innocent and only wants to harm Saiyans due to a long irrelevant hate and that would be much better served with using the wish to bring back the innocents but can't even see that much through his depression and obsession? Seriously, Raichi seems like a guy just a talk and an hug away from being perfectly good.

[Doctor.]

And that's the villain DBM needs? A depressed guy who goes on and on about the innocent and only wants to harm Saiyans due to a long irrelevant hate and that would be much better served with using the wish to bring back the innocents but can't even see that much through his depression and obsession? Seriously, Raichi seems like a guy just a talk and an hug away from being perfectly good.

I said he was the villain DB needed, not DBM. DB needs a villain that seemingly does have motives more relatable than the heroes.

[rereboy]

And that's the villain DBM needs? A depressed guy who goes on and on about the innocent and only wants to harm Saiyans due to a long irrelevant hate and that would be much better served with using the wish to bring back the innocents but can't even see that much through his depression and obsession? Seriously, Raichi seems like a guy just a talk and an hug away from being perfectly good.

I said he was the villain DB needed, not DBM. DB needs a villain that seemingly does have motives more relatable than the heroes.

I agree with your second sentence but not necessarily with it being Raichi. That guy only need a talk and a hug. Also, it's not hard to be better than some stuff in Super.

[Doctor.]

I agree with your second sentence but not necessarily with it being Raichi. That guy only need a talk and a hug. Also, it's not hard to be better than some stuff in Super.

I disagree that he only needs a talk. Tapion fits that role and he hasn't changed. He's too far gone.

[rereboy]

I agree with your second sentence but not necessarily with it being Raichi. That guy only need a talk and a hug. Also, it's not hard to be better than some stuff in Super.

I disagree that he only needs a talk. Tapion fits that role and he hasn't changed. He's too far gone.

And a hug. It's how he feels to me, that he only needs a little something that manages to break through to him and ta-da.

[Noah]

I agree with Doctor., A villian like Dr. Raichi in current DB would be nice. Zamasu was a wasted potential, his development went downhill with his repetitive lame "Gods > Mortals" speeches and his obsession with himself being a "beautiful god"

[Gog]

Oh my god, this here is the fight that I've been waiting for, Raichi seems to be on the ropes in this battle of words, but I hope he can attack with a cutting retort, and a god's blade from tidar of course

[ParkerAL]

I think it's understandable why Raichi wouldn't want to wish back his people. He has defined and shaped his entire life and identity based on their deaths. Who would he be without that tragedy? Everything he did to avenge their deaths would suddenly feel hollow and meaningless. It would be like if Batman had the chance to bring his parents back to life. It would cheapen everything he did to overcome losing them.

Raichi also seems to be the kind of guy who looks at the big picture, and realizes he shouldn't rely on a magical reset button to fix every tragic twist of fate. If you make a wish like that once, you'll inevitably end up wanting to undo another tragedy, and then another one. He probably prefers not getting on that slippery slope. Better to learn to live with life's consequences, than grow addicted to a convenient do-over switch like the dragon balls, which aren't necessarily something you can depend on indefinitely. Just look what happened in Trunk's future.

Besides, isn't there a one-year time limit for when you can revive mass casualties with the dragon balls?

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I'm guessing Raichi will probably lose this fight. His gimmick is getting old, and we've already seen him use every warrior he could conceivably have in that ball of his. It would be boring if he reused any of them now.

I'm guessing he'll bring out Hachiyack in this fight. Can't see how else he could have a shot at winning, after he barely prevailed over U13 Vegeta. And unlike Vegeta, Gast clearly isn't pissing around.

[HeroR]

And that's the villain DBM needs? A depressed guy who goes on and on about the innocent and only wants to harm Saiyans due to a long irrelevant hate and that would be much better served with using the wish to bring back the innocents but can't even see that much through his depression and obsession? Seriously, Raichi seems like a guy just a talk and an hug away from being perfectly good.

I said he was the villain DB needed, not DBM. DB needs a villain that seemingly does have motives more relatable than the heroes.

Can't say I agree. I don't think Dragon Ball needs a relatable villain. Would it be nice, sure. But I don't think it's necessary.