DBZ Kai TFC Episode 1 Color Corrected
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DBZ Kai TFC Episode 1 Color Corrected
So after watching episode 1 of Kai TFC on Toonami, I felt like everything was perfect, the dub acting, music, sound effects, sharpness of the picture, etc. However, when watching it on my computer, I noticed the sickly green tint that was also present in the Japanese version. So I did some slight editing, basing the color off of Kai 1.0, and heres some images of the result:
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(Right is color corrected, left is the original.)
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Re: DBZ Kai TFC Episode 1 Color Corrected
The difference is night and day. Can I ask what you ended up doing to fix the colours?
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Someone yesterday actually uploaded the entire episode corrected:
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Added a blue tint and slightly increased the brightness.NintendoBlaze53 wrote:The difference is night and day. Can I ask what you ended up doing to fix the colours?
Mine has a watermark on the bottom so no it isn't mine.Someone yesterday actually uploaded the entire episode corrected:
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THAT'S IT?! I can do that in Vegas easy. Huh..... Guess I'll have to wait till Piccolo shows up to see how hard colour correcting is. With the Blu-Ray in April I might actually edit the footage after all for my personal use.DHM211 wrote:Added a blue tint and slightly increased the brightness.NintendoBlaze53 wrote:The difference is night and day. Can I ask what you ended up doing to fix the colours?
Mine has a watermark on the bottom so no it isn't mine.Someone yesterday actually uploaded the entire episode corrected:
That wasn't you was it?
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While this IS better than what we're being given, and in April, what we'll be getting sold, it still isn't technically "correct." There are quite a few things that can't be done with a quick filter. If it was truly this easy, even FUNimation would have done this in the years they've had KFC (yeah, I'm saying it) while they waited to air it.
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I doubt Funi would mess with Kai's footage. I'm not even sure if they're allowed to.SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:While this IS better than what we're being given, and in April, what we'll be getting sold, it still isn't technically "correct." There are quite a few things that can't be done with a quick filter. If it was truly this easy, even FUNimation would have done this in the years they've had KFC (yeah, I'm saying it) while they waited to air it.
Keep in mind they also had the Dragon Box footage for a while before they released it yet no effort to remove the pink tint was ever attempted.
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Yeah, but they were allowed to screw with the master footage for the GT Dragon Box; that's the source for their GT DVDs. It's just that the singles were interlaced(Making the overall video quality worse), and the seasons were DVNR'd(Making it all blurry).DHM211 wrote:I doubt Funi would mess with Kai's footage. I'm not even sure if they're allowed to.
Keep in mind they also had the Dragon Box footage for a while before they released it yet no effort to remove the pink tint was ever attempted.
Despite the singles' only change being interlacing, the seasons were DVNR'd, and had both the NEPs and Japanese title cards removed.
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Funi wasn't marketing their releases of GT as Dragon Boxes, thats why they were able to mess with the video for the green bricks.Robo4900 wrote:Yeah, but they were allowed to screw with the master footage for the GT Dragon Box; that's the source for their GT DVDs. It's just that the singles were interlaced(Making the overall video quality worse), and the seasons were DVNR'd(Making it all blurry).DHM211 wrote:I doubt Funi would mess with Kai's footage. I'm not even sure if they're allowed to.
Keep in mind they also had the Dragon Box footage for a while before they released it yet no effort to remove the pink tint was ever attempted.
Despite the singles' only change being interlacing, the seasons were DVNR'd, and had both the NEPs and Japanese title cards removed.
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...how bad is the macroblocking in the GT singles? Macroblocking is a worse issue than interlacing I think.
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The GT singles are interlaced, all of Funimation's GT releases are interlaced. Macroblocking isn't an issue.Danfun64 wrote:...how bad is the macroblocking in the GT singles? Macroblocking is a worse issue than interlacing I think.
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I always thought the Green Bricks were progressive scan. Weird.
...are the Blue Bricks interlaced or progressive scan?
...are the Blue Bricks interlaced or progressive scan?
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Progressive. The encoding isn't great on them, but it's watchable.Danfun64 wrote:...are the Blue Bricks interlaced or progressive scan?
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One of these days somebody needs to donate one of each of the R1 DBGT singles to thejeremymenace so he could use them with his Dragon Radar project for those NEP's the Green Bricks lack (I would love it if thejereemymenace somehow managed to allow his software to create hybrid audio using both the Green Bricks and the Singles (the former most of the time, the ladder for NEP audio and NEP subs...do the DBGT singles have Menza in 5.1, like the UUC singles have Johnson in 5.1?)
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They were allowed to mess with DBZ's footage for the Orange Bricks when they screwed with it in their "restoration" process. I've seen some snapshots on the DB Wiki (I go there when I'm taking a poo, it's relaxing) and it looks horrible. At least it does in this screenshot [spoiler]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/dra ... 1128005830[/spoiler]. The Blue Bricks were slightly zoomed and a tad blurry according to VegettoEX on Twitter. The DBZ Blu-rays have more blue than they should, and they're cropped.DHM211 wrote:I doubt Funi would mess with Kai's footage. I'm not even sure if they're allowed to.SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:While this IS better than what we're being given, and in April, what we'll be getting sold, it still isn't technically "correct." There are quite a few things that can't be done with a quick filter. If it was truly this easy, even FUNimation would have done this in the years they've had KFC (yeah, I'm saying it) while they waited to air it.
Keep in mind they also had the Dragon Box footage for a while before they released it yet no effort to remove the pink tint was ever attempted.
I'm sure they can edit these things to some extent. I've never heard of any pink tint for Dragon Boxes, but this just begs the question: why do these companies doing these "corrections" dick with the colors? From other comments in the thread, it seems like every release has a different blunder, with KFC having the worst because of the green tint. Can't anyone just not f--- with the footage?
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I would have no qualms with the Blue Bricks if the compression had been handled a little better. They did a fine job at touching them up 9 times out of ten. The Blu-rays, on the other hand, have far more problems than you mentioned. I've been talking about them pretty often lately, so I won't highlight every last problem, but they're just barely better than the Orange Bricks.SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:The Blue Bricks were slightly zoomed and a tad blurry according to VegettoEX on Twitter. The DBZ Blu-rays have more blue than they should, and they're cropped.
The Dragon Boxes are tinted because of the aged film. It's noticeable enough to warrant correction, and Kai 1.0 did a great job at it. Anyway... the answer as to why they dick around with the footage is simple. The source is old, it's has wear and tear, which includes tearing in the film, morphed colors. Need I go further? They correct the footage because age has degraded it.SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:I'm sure they can edit these things to some extent. I've never heard of any pink tint for Dragon Boxes, but this just begs the question: why do these companies doing these "corrections" dick with the colors? From other comments in the thread, it seems like every release has a different blunder, with KFC having the worst because of the green tint. Can't anyone just not f--- with the footage?
The thing is, this isn't hard to do. The reason that almost every release has some fantastical downfall isn't because correcting the footage is a bad idea, it's because the people in charge seem to have no idea what they're doing. It's as if Funimation and Toei intentionally scouted the worst possible candidates for directing their remastering processes just for the hell of it. However, the Dragon Boxes and Funimation's short-lived Level Sets are solid proof that they can do it well when they don't use the most incompetent people and processes humanly possible.
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My point was I doubt Funi would "touch up" a remastered product. Hell, I doubt Toei would even let them do it because it could tarnish their remastered products reputation. Sure, Kai TFC has a little bit of a green tint, but why stop there? Maybe the guys at Funi who are touching up the green tint think the footage could use a little more saturation also, maybe even some more contrast. Maybe the footage doesn't look smooth enough. This exact same scenario could be applied if Funi were to go and correct the Dragon Boxes. These are Toeis remasters, with Toeis reputation. If Funimation messes with their source material and produces orange bricks, everyone knows its them whom messed up the product. If they fuck with Kai and mess up, most people would blame Toei, and I'm sure Toei doesn't want that.SpiritBombTriumphant wrote: They were allowed to mess with DBZ's footage for the Orange Bricks when they screwed with it in their "restoration" process. I've seen some snapshots on the DB Wiki (I go there when I'm taking a poo, it's relaxing) and it looks horrible. At least it does in this screenshot [spoiler]http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/dra ... 1128005830[/spoiler]. The Blue Bricks were slightly zoomed and a tad blurry according to VegettoEX on Twitter. The DBZ Blu-rays have more blue than they should, and they're cropped.
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You guys are also missing the fact that it would be time consuming for FUNi, they're pretty busy at the moment with all their simuldubs and not to mention they have to dub Super now too (granted that is happening at OT5000), remember TFC is 69 episodes long too, do not think they can afforf to waste resources doing that, especially when they don't have too. It is different when they plan to remaster something beforehand, and their goal here is to get Kai out quick.
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Funimation probably wouldn't bother tampering with an already remasterd product either way, but even if it weren't allowed, it wouldn't be because of their reputation. It's easy to forget that the majority of fans are not only fine with it, but enjoy what Funimation did to the footage. This is not only here, by the way. I encourage you to jump over and read reviews on non-western sites, including Amazon Japan. Reactions are largely positive.DHM211 wrote:My point was I doubt Funi would "touch up" a remastered product. Hell, I doubt Toei would even let them do it because it could tarnish their remastered products reputation. Sure, Kai TFC has a little bit of a green tint, but why stop there? Maybe the guys at Funi who are touching up the green tint think the footage could use a little more saturation also, maybe even some more contrast. Maybe the footage doesn't look smooth enough. This exact same scenario could be applied if Funi were to go and correct the Dragon Boxes. These are Toeis remasters, with Toeis reputation. If Funimation messes with their source material and produces orange bricks, everyone knows its them whom messed up the product. If they fuck with Kai and mess up, most people would blame Toei, and I'm sure Toei doesn't want that.
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^ Most of the issues we have with FUNi releases aren't terrible or blatantly noticeable. But KFC's green tint makes the image look worse, as if it were a medium quality TV rip. It does to me, at least.