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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:08 pm

rereboy wrote: Does the light of the blast encompassing the planet tells us that the destructive energy was equal at all points of the blast? Does it tell us if the energy is weaker the further you are from the epicentre or not? Does it tells us the exact amount of energy that reach them? Does it tells us the required amount of energy to vaporize their bodies? Does it tells us the distance from the epicentre to them?
It does, grand elder Guru is now dead. Also the blast is explicitly shown engulfing Gohan, and Bulma. Which mean's that the blast must have enough energy inside of it to kill Gohan. But if it did have enough energy to kill Gohan, than that would mean that Bulma, the dragon radar. Should not be there. We can figure it out easily.

if the blast is enough to kill Gohan, than that would incinerate Bulma, and everything. If the blast is only strong enough to kill Bulma, than Gohan, Dende, and grand elder Guru, don't get hurt. It's just poor writing
rereboy wrote: It answers none of that and none of the questions I had already made. It's all guess work.
It does awnser them. If the blast is enough to kill Bulma, than it wouldn't hurt Gohan, Dende, and Grand elder guru. If the blast was strong enough to kill Gohan, than there wouldn't be any remain of Bulma, Dende, the dragon radar or of any of the landscape.

rereboy wrote: Aka, "you feel like they should be vaporized because you guess that at that distance it makes sense for that to happen and that's it".
Or Aka "I feel like this is poor writing because if Gohan was killed in the blast that would mean that Bulma, a literal human would get literally incinerated"

rereboy wrote: And yet, your focus was not on what the page is trying to transmit.
It is on what the page is trying to transmit, It's just that it's so poorly done

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:41 pm

You are just assuming that what would kill Gohan when he is distracted would always vaporize Bulma, and you are also assuming the resistance of the Dragon Radar in a world where machines can be more resistant than Freeza.

You can continue with your guess work all you want but that doesn't make it facts, nor does it make it even remotely important to the actual page and what it's trying to transmit. To call this detail either bad or good writing is already way beyond the focus it should be given.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:55 pm

rereboy wrote:You are just assuming that what would kill Gohan when he is distracted would always vaporize Bulma, and you are also assuming the resistance of the Dragon Radar in a world where machines can be more resistant than Freeza.

You can continue with your guess work all you want but that doesn't make it facts, nor does it make it even remotely important to the actual page and what it's trying to transmit. To call this detail either bad or good writing is already way beyond the focus it should be given.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Noah » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:23 pm

This special is going to tell the story about the universe that Freeza did won, right?
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Post by Gog » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:33 pm

Noah wrote:This special is going to tell the story about the universe that Freeza did won, right?
Yes you are correct. This is going to tell the story of universe 8, and how it came to be.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by omegalucas » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:20 pm

Gog wrote: It does, grand elder Guru is now dead.
Actually it shows us Porunga is destroyed. When Piccolo destroyed Shenlong, the Dragon Balls turned to stone yet God was still alive.
But yeah I agree with rereboy, it's mainly for exposition. Remember that these special chapters were not released back to back, the bodies help the reader remember what happened to them. Simply exposition.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by coola » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:06 pm

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Bulma, Dende, Gohan, but who is in 4th grave? Guru? Surprised it didn't enraged Goku to see his friennd and son death, also surprised Goku thought to use mask (Oh well, it is not filler Z/Super Goku) :) So Freeza blast worked like some sort atomic bomb and polluted atmosphere, that's new.
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Post by BlazingBarrrager » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:08 pm

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May they rest in peace. Also I guess the atmosphere got f**ked up enough to require Goku to wear that mouth cover.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:22 pm

I don't know if I should be fine or shocked by how okay Goku seems with the fact his best friend and son are dead.
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Post by BlazingBarrrager » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:38 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:I don't know if I should be fine or shocked by how okay Goku seems with the fact his best friend and son are dead.
It's possible that he already passed that stage.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:44 pm

Why the hell does Goku seem fine here? Oh no my friends are dead, hey! There's someone like Piccolo! No really we couldn't get a single scene of Goku crying, or him getting enraged. Like geez DBS Goku showed more emotion when he heard that his kid was killed. Is it because Slagir doesn't want him as a super Saiyan? Because Saiyan Saga Vegeta turned into one.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by FoolsGil » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:54 pm

Gog wrote:Why the hell does Goku seem fine here? Oh no my friends are dead, hey! There's someone like Piccolo! No really we couldn't get a single scene of Goku crying, or him getting enraged. Like geez DBS Goku showed more emotion when he heard that his kid was killed. Is it because Slagir doesn't want him as a super Saiyan? Because Saiyan Saga Vegeta turned into one.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:59 pm

FoolsGil wrote:
Gog wrote:Why the hell does Goku seem fine here? Oh no my friends are dead, hey! There's someone like Piccolo! No really we couldn't get a single scene of Goku crying, or him getting enraged. Like geez DBS Goku showed more emotion when he heard that his kid was killed. Is it because Slagir doesn't want him as a super Saiyan? Because Saiyan Saga Vegeta turned into one.
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Post by rereboy » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:10 pm

Gog wrote:Why the hell does Goku seem fine here? Oh no my friends are dead, hey! There's someone like Piccolo! No really we couldn't get a single scene of Goku crying, or him getting enraged. Like geez DBS Goku showed more emotion when he heard that his kid was killed. Is it because Slagir doesn't want him as a super Saiyan? Because Saiyan Saga Vegeta turned into one.
His eyes are somewhat bright with tears in the second panel.

Also, Goku knows fully well that there is an afterlife, which is actually a pretty great place, and that he will eventually see them all there again even if he can't bring them back.

Being dead in Dragon Ball can't even compare to death in real life, even without Dragon Balls. No one in real life knows what's on the other side or if we ever will see our loved ones again. The guys in Dragon Ball know exactly what's up and it's nothing to be scared or sad about, except if you are a bad guy. Heck, if Gohan was with Kaio, Goku could even talk to him as much as he wanted right now.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by testing223 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:12 pm

In the original canon, Goku got a SSJ rage boost from seeing his friends/family killed by Freeza RIGHT in front of him.

Just like when he didn't get a SSJ rage boost at seeing Tien and Yamcha and everyone killed by Nappa, he wasn't there and only arrived to see their bodies.

This is 4 days later, he's feeling more sad and guilt than anything else. Even if he went SSJ in the spaceship it would've long since worn off.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Doctor. » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:15 pm

Goku seems sad to me, I don't get the complaint. He's not the type of character who openly shows sorrow often.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:16 pm

Doctor. wrote:Goku seems sad to me, I don't get the complaint. He's not the type of character who openly shows sorrow often.
Well, the trend has been, for a long time now, to bash DBM so it's not surprising.

Edit: for example, never mind that Goku has already found the bodies, collect them all, dug up graves, and buried them all, which means that all the significant emotion he might have would have been primarily on those moments.
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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Doctor. » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:17 pm

rereboy wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Goku seems sad to me, I don't get the complaint. He's not the type of character who openly shows sorrow often.
Well, the trend has been, for a long time now, to bash DBM so it's not surprising.
I usually criticize DBM often, but this seems completely in-character to me. He's sad, but he's still collected and not letting emotion take over the situation.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by Gog » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:19 pm

rereboy wrote:
Gog wrote:Why the hell does Goku seem fine here? Oh no my friends are dead, hey! There's someone like Piccolo! No really we couldn't get a single scene of Goku crying, or him getting enraged. Like geez DBS Goku showed more emotion when he heard that his kid was killed. Is it because Slagir doesn't want him as a super Saiyan? Because Saiyan Saga Vegeta turned into one.
His eyes are somewhat bright with tears in the second panel.

Also, Goku knows fully well that there is an afterlife, which is actually a pretty great place, and that he will eventually see them all there again even if he can't bring them back.

Being dead in Dragon Ball can't even compare to death real life, even without Dragon Balls. No one in real life knows what's on the other side or if we ever will see our loved ones again. The guys in Dragon Ball know exactly what's up and it's nothing to be scared or sad about, except if you are a bad guy.
your seeing things.

Your right, except for the fact that even the worst version of Goku, when told of his wife, and child's death at the hand of black, flipped out, and started crushing him effortlessly. Here there's nothing

That still doesn't change the fact that his friends, and his son are gone now, forever, and he doesn't even have the power to resurrect his other friends. There is something to be sad about, and angry about for son Goku, his child, and all of his friends are now dead. There's not even a single panel of him screaming and powering up, or any of that.

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Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Post by rereboy » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:20 pm

Doctor. wrote:I usually criticize DBM often, but this seems completely in-character to me. He's sad, but he's still collected and not letting emotion take over the situation.
People will disagree on what to criticize and the level of criticism but that's the trend.

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