Bullza wrote:Well all this should become much more clear once the Zen Exhibition is over, whether there was retcon or not or what got retconned we'll know about soon enough hopefully.
Forgetting that though for a minute.
The Gohan who fought Beerus must have been stronger than Buu. That would make him Mystic Gohan but whether it's at the same level as in the Buu saga or a weaker one because he's stopped training is speculative.
We honestly don't know that. Gohan's power dropped catastrophically by the time of Golden Freeza, and that was less than a year after Beerus, which was four years after the Buu arc. For all we know he could have been very weak at that point. I mean if we want to take it to the next level, shit like Piccolo having trouble with someone explicitly stated to be Zarbon-tier (vain attempts at rationalization aside), Freeza's 1.3 million line, and Krillin getting hurt by
bullets all point to an absolutely ridiculous level of decay.
One thing that is basically assured though: Buu should be stronger than Piccolo. We already got heavy implications of that fact when Goku was picking people for the tournament, but base Lavender dominating base Gohan (who's been shown to be on Piccolo's level on at least two occasions) in the NEP while base Basil is a joke to Buu should basically confirm it. Unless, again, Lavender is inexplicably dozens of times stronger than Basil. And we know Piccolo isn't too far off from base Goku/Vegeta.
Base Vegeta after the training was even stronger still as was Goku who was able to put up a much greater fight against Beerus (costume or not)
This is pretty much completely invalid as a piece of evidence, because we know for a fact that Beerus could vaporize base Goku with a glare with even 1% of his strength. Goku, after ascending through SS1, SS2, SS3, and finally SSB, and then multiplying his power x10 with KK, and THEN getting what was implied to be an over x10 boost in the Zamasu arc, is still no match for Beerus. Combined with the fact that the U6 tournament shows that the normal SS boosts are still in place (so x400 from base to SS3), and SSB should be a bigger boost than all of them, and Beerus is quite literally several tens of thousands of times stronger than base Goku at minimum.