Manga Goku put Reecum to sleep with just one blow and Butta was never able to touch Goku.Gog wrote:
Yeah? He was stomping the Ginyu Force, and he did have to go Kaio Ken against an all out Captain Ginyu. And his child, and his two friends have just died, I don't see why he hasn't ascended yet.
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Something like that would motivate Goku we've seen that in the series especially since he's going for revenge.testing223 wrote:Depressed and less able to motivate himself due to his friends and son being killed and he was 5 days too far away to do anything?miguelnuva1 wrote:IMO this universe should have been Goku going SSJ at his 90,000 and losing to Frieza that way. I don't see why Goku would stop training and be weaker in this timeline for any reason.
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[spoiler][/spoiler]rereboy wrote:Manga Goku put Reecum to sleep with just one blow and Butta was never able to touch Goku.Gog wrote:
Yeah? He was stomping the Ginyu Force, and he did have to go Kaio Ken against an all out Captain Ginyu. And his child, and his two friends have just died, I don't see why he hasn't ascended yet.
As ridiculous as that may sound to me, you are right here, especially considering that this page proves it.
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The special doesn't give off that impression. Plus, the prospect of getting revenge should make him more motivated to train, if anything I think Goku should be quite a bit stronger here than he actually is.testing223 wrote:Depressed and less able to motivate himself due to his friends and son being killed and he was 5 days too far away to do anything?miguelnuva1 wrote:IMO this universe should have been Goku going SSJ at his 90,000 and losing to Frieza that way. I don't see why Goku would stop training and be weaker in this timeline for any reason.
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Wasn't part of getting super strong not just the gravity training but being injured and then getting zenkais? Maybe Goku just didn't get injured as much by luck?
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Wait a minute, can Guldo restrain Freeza? Because Goku's maximum Kaioken should put him well over First Form Freeza even if he's weaker here, unless he also neglected to push his Kaioken up to x10 in this universe.
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Goku didn't get to try Kaioken.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Wait a minute, can Guldo restrain Freeza? Because Goku's maximum Kaioken should put him well over First Form Freeza even if he's weaker here, unless he also neglected to push his Kaioken up to x10 in this universe.
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Goku said if he used his maximum Kaioken, maybe he could break out.rereboy wrote:Goku didn't get to try Kaioken.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Wait a minute, can Guldo restrain Freeza? Because Goku's maximum Kaioken should put him well over First Form Freeza even if he's weaker here, unless he also neglected to push his Kaioken up to x10 in this universe.
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Goku felt that the paralysis was too strong and only perhaps using his maximum (maximum Kaioken) he might be able to break free. However, before he tried it, Nail intervened.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Goku said if he used his maximum Kaioken, maybe he could break out.rereboy wrote:Goku didn't get to try Kaioken.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Wait a minute, can Guldo restrain Freeza? Because Goku's maximum Kaioken should put him well over First Form Freeza even if he's weaker here, unless he also neglected to push his Kaioken up to x10 in this universe.
In other words, Goku didn't use any kind of Kaioken before Nail intervened. Regardless, he felt that only his best Kaioken would perhaps set him free.
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That's the point, his maximum Kaioken should put him well above Freeza unless he can only do x5 or something in this universe.rereboy wrote:Goku felt that the paralysis was too strong and only perhaps using his maximum (maximum Kaioken) he might be able to break free. However, before he tried it, Nail intervened.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Goku said if he used his maximum Kaioken, maybe he could break out.rereboy wrote:
Goku didn't get to try Kaioken.
In other words, Goku didn't use any kind of Kaioken before Nail intervened. Regardless, he felt that only his best Kaioken would perhaps set him free.
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So Freeza did faced Goku, wonder why he acts then as if he don't remember him? You would think guy who forced you to transform would be worth enough to remember?
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And my point is that it was just his assumption. He didn't actually try any kaioken. He might not need his maximum or maybe his maximum wouldn't be enough, he is just assuming that he needs to do his maximum.TheUltimateNinja wrote:That's the point, his maximum Kaioken should put him well above Freeza unless he can only do x5 or something in this universe.rereboy wrote:Goku felt that the paralysis was too strong and only perhaps using his maximum (maximum Kaioken) he might be able to break free. However, before he tried it, Nail intervened.TheUltimateNinja wrote: Goku said if he used his maximum Kaioken, maybe he could break out.
In other words, Goku didn't use any kind of Kaioken before Nail intervened. Regardless, he felt that only his best Kaioken would perhaps set him free.
Regardless, it doesn't matter if Guldo could hold first form Freeza. Even if he could, Freeza would just transform until he broke free. Ginyu's technique was far more dangerous to Freeza.
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The whole not remebering Goku was stupid anyway. The timeline splits on Namek even if Uni 8 mever met Uni 8 Goku he still met Bardock and would compare Goku to that unless Uni 8 Frieza has worse memory than canon Frieza.coola wrote:
So Freeza did faced Goku, wonder why he acts then as if he don't remember him? You would think guy who forced you to transform would be worth enough to remember?
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I feel like there's a small chance that Freeza won't be mocked or humiliated in this special chapter. Heck I think this may be the best Freeza will ever be treated in this comic if all goes well.
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Ok, this is what I mean when I say Saligir should be checking these fanfics for quality before getting them drawn. This whole time we queried why U8 Goku is so much weaker, and yeah this is just a cover, but look at it. It implies Goku someway somehow will force Freeza to his fourth form, let alone out of his first form. Just, what?coola wrote:
So Freeza did faced Goku, wonder why he acts then as if he don't remember him? You would think guy who forced you to transform would be worth enough to remember?
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Before he got to Namek, he still had hope that the Namekian balls existed.miguelnuva1 wrote:Something like that would motivate Goku we've seen that in the series especially since he's going for revenge.testing223 wrote:Depressed and less able to motivate himself due to his friends and son being killed and he was 5 days too far away to do anything?miguelnuva1 wrote:IMO this universe should have been Goku going SSJ at his 90,000 and losing to Frieza that way. I don't see why Goku would stop training and be weaker in this timeline for any reason.
His priority changed to revenge after finding Nail and admitting all hope was lost for revival.
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Never been interested in a special than this one in Multiverse, It will be nice to have Goku fighting Freeza using all his forms even though he'll lose.
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Even second form Freeza should easily stomp this Goku, even canon Goku wouldn't be able to get past form 2.
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I still think it's really dumb that he's weaker when he should've realistically trained even harder to get back at Freeza and he apparently had more time to do so in this. He should at least be on par with Ginyu here.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Even second form Freeza should easily stomp this Goku, even canon Goku wouldn't be able to get past form 2.
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Clearly not since in canon he did fairly well against a semi-serious Ginyu in base whereas here he's busting out Kaioken right away.ekrolo2 wrote:I still think it's really dumb that he's weaker when he should've realistically trained even harder to get back at Freeza and he apparently had more time to do so in this. He should at least be on par with Ginyu here.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Even second form Freeza should easily stomp this Goku, even canon Goku wouldn't be able to get past form 2.