"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[perucho1990]

But Broly's already there. So what's your point?

I have the feeling the idea of "Broly" being in the show was probably Toyotaros idea, he had development in DBAF, add also he likes BNHA, basically combined Broly with Momos design and you get Kale

Kale is Toyotaros idea and Caulifla is Toriyamas.

I'm not surprised they are already starting to become popular with the DB Fandom, they would want to erase GT Pan being the first female saiyan warrior appearing in a DB anime.

[Noah]

Freeza in the Tournament Of Power... Can't think how they will handle him in a tournament that no killing is allowed.

Well, I hope to see Freeza torturing some individuals at least

[Ki Breaker]

Freeza in the Tournament Of Power... Can't think how they will handle him in a tournament that no killing is allowed.

Well, I hope to see Freeza torturing some individuals at least

I would love to have a namekian there, freeza will cherish it after the short, sweet encounter he had with nail..
Killing isn't allowed torturing is, and freeza excels at it

[perucho1990]

Frieza torturing someone in the Top is definitely happening, there needs to something that convinces the rest of the Universes that U7 is definitely evil, U6 would be be put along with U7 because they would think Frost is exactly like Frieza, the perfect excuse to use U6 and U7 fighting together.

[Shinda Forever]

Do you mean Cabba?

No, I mean Frost since his race can pick the colour for their ultimate transformation, my guess is that while Frieza picked Golden, Frost will pick blue.

I'm curious why you think he would go blue. He's already blue in color and remember the last form he saw via Goku and Vegeta was regular supersaiyan. I think he too will use a golden ish type of form, if anything.

Because, the others from universe 6 will tell him.

[vic94]

No, I mean Frost since his race can pick the colour for their ultimate transformation, my guess is that while Frieza picked Golden, Frost will pick blue.

I'm curious why you think he would go blue. He's already blue in color and remember the last form he saw via Goku and Vegeta was regular supersaiyan. I think he too will use a golden ish type of form, if anything.

Because, the others from universe 6 will tell him.

Why would they tell him? Botamo and Magetta don't have any incentive to tell him. Since Cabba was willing to testify on his villainy for Universe 6, I doubt he'd tell Frost about Blue and that doesn't sound like something Hit would do either. Champa and Vados wouldn't have any motivation to tell him either, other than to tell him to watch out for it. Even if he was informed about Blue after Hit picks him up (or whatever he is doing), how could he possibly attain it anyway? It took Frieza 4 months to just unlock his Golden form and they is no way Frost could do it in the 4 -ish hours they have left until the TOP.

[omaro34]

Freeza in the Tournament Of Power... Can't think how they will handle him in a tournament that no killing is allowed.

Well, I hope to see Freeza torturing some individuals at least

I would love to have a namekian there, freeza will cherish it after the short, sweet encounter he had with nail..
Killing isn't allowed torturing is, and freeza excels at it

Lol you and I want a Namkekian there for different reasons. I want a Namekian there to challenge Piccolo and for it to be a good fight, and judging based on your comment you probably want a Namekian there so Freeza can rip his arm off and use it as a backscratcher.

[Noah]

If I could choose someone for Freeza to torture, that would be Dyspo

[perucho1990]

He would be a good option because he would remind him of Beerus(his physical appearance), my other options are Basil or Murimosh.

I mentioned I would want a Goku vs Caulifla fight for the ToP, it could serve for several purposes:

To see Goku showing traits of a Sensei type of character(which foreshadows he will be Uubs master).

To humble Caulifla, Goku showing not just the power difference but also the difference in skill and experience between them.

If Kale gets Vegeta, then it the perfect opportunity to wash away his pathetic display in Movie 8.

[kinisking]

Freeza in the Tournament Of Power... Can't think how they will handle him in a tournament that no killing is allowed.

Well, I hope to see Freeza torturing some individuals at least

Freeza specifically trained with Tagoma in order to learn how to not kill Goku while torturing him... He's good.

[Noah]

One thing that worries me about this tournament is 80 people fighting at once and all the difference between the powers of each individual. We can really expect to everyone know how to supress their power to avoid killing people? I mean that could happen aciddentally.

Also the fighter that killed another is disqualified or his entire team?

[dragon boss z]

One thing that worries me about this tournament is 80 people fighting at once and all the difference between the powers of each individual. We can really expect to everyone know how to supress their power to avoid killing people? I mean that could happen aciddentally.

Also the fighter that killed another is disqualified or his entire team?

Literally everyone in Super is in the same tier of power so I wouldn't worry too much about this.

[Noah]

Literally everyone in Super is in the same tier of power so I wouldn't worry too much about this.

So we can expect things like Bergamo going toe-to-toe with Roshi?

[Basaku]

Not that I want Bardock to come back either, In fact I feel he has no real place here and rather he stay away. Though lets be honest, it's happening at some point. But why does using a character that exists Fanfiction nonsense? What is Fanfiction nonsense even mean? I see people use that for every little thing that I'm not even sure what it's supposed to mean or be used for anymore.

When it serves no other purpouse rather than appeasing most banal fan ideas/requests. I would say there's a big difference between using SPOILER to replace Buu in Tournament of Power and using Bardcock. The former has been part of the actual saga (not just TV specials that take place in different eras), has history and established relations with majority of the cast AND has been reintroduced in Super itself already. Having SPOILER coming back sure is fanservice and sure may be happening just because his toys sold well, but at least it's not a narrative and thematical asspull like Bardock's inclusion would be. Same goes for using the popular LSSJ form/transformation for one of the new U6 Saiyans.

[Simere]

Freeza in the Tournament Of Power... Can't think how they will handle him in a tournament that no killing is allowed.

Well, I hope to see Freeza torturing some individuals at least

Freeza specifically trained with Tagoma in order to learn how to not kill Goku while torturing him... He's good.

They've been setting this up for years.

[Boo Machine]

Not that I want Bardock to come back either, In fact I feel he has no real place here and rather he stay away. Though lets be honest, it's happening at some point. But why does using a character that exists Fanfiction nonsense? What is Fanfiction nonsense even mean? I see people use that for every little thing that I'm not even sure what it's supposed to mean or be used for anymore.

When it serves no other purpouse rather than appeasing most banal fan ideas/requests. I would say there's a big difference between using SPOILER to replace Buu in Tournament of Power and using Bardcock. The former has been part of the actual saga (not just TV specials that take place in different eras), has history and established relations with majority of the cast AND has been reintroduced in Super itself already. Having SPOILER coming back sure is fanservice and sure may be happening just because his toys sold well, but at least it's not a narrative and thematical asspull like Bardock's inclusion would be. Same goes for using the popular LSSJ form/transformation for one of the new U6 Saiyans.

I think appeasing the fan ideas/requests would just be Fans service, Not fan fiction. That Includes Bardock. When people say "It's like fan fiction" I assume they mean "This was so bad it feels like a fan wrote it." and that would usually be because of the writing of whatever idea. But I feel it's being used to dismiss anything that's been an idea of a fans. Which is a huge target to hit so it's being used for everything. I'm just not super into the excessive use of the term. Especially to be used for negative labeling. Just feels like a cop out to have an excuse to rage or hate.

[Basaku]

I think appeasing the fan ideas/requests would just be Fans service, Not fan fiction. That Includes Bardock. When people say "It's like fan fiction" I assume they mean "This was so bad it feels like a fan wrote it." and that would usually be because of the writing of whatever idea. But I feel it's being used to dismiss anything that's been an idea of a fans. Which is a huge target to hit so it's being used for everything. I'm just not super into the excessive use of the term. Especially to be used for negative labeling. Just feels like a cop out to have an excuse to rage or hate.

I get your point, but the thing is that Dragon Ball doesn't really have a good track record when it comes to QUALITY fanservice. So the terms being used interchangably ain't without some merit if we're being honest, and concerns are warranted.

[perucho1990]

I get your point, but the thing is that Dragon Ball doesn't really have a good track record when it comes to QUALITY fanservice. So the terms being used interchangably ain't without some merit if we're being honest, and concerns are warranted.

With all respect but when someone says QUALITY , in caps, for some people it means bad quality like for example the animation and art from DBS Episode 5.

Anyways, Trunks had an overall positive reaction, the ones who complained about him were mostly the hardcore fans.

Then you have Kale, which fans are already looking forward to seeing her, if she will be exactly like Broly(backstory of getting mad because someone made her cry as a baby) or she will be complete different character.

We only know that Cabba hates her shy personality.

[dragon boss z]

Literally everyone in Super is in the same tier of power so I wouldn't worry too much about this.

So we can expect things like Bergamo going toe-to-toe with Roshi?

I wouldn't be too surprised tbh, lol. But on a more serious note, a lot of people would say Bergamo would beat Golden Frieza, but if they end up fighting each other something tells me Frieza would smoke him.
Here are some examples of everyone being in the same tier.
Piccolo fought with mystic Gohan. Mystic Gohan fought with SSB Goku. Trunks gets mad and fights with SSR Black and Zamasu. Trunks gets mad and fights fused Zamasu. Goku and Vegeta both have trouble with Black. Goku all of a sudden overpowers fused Zamsu and blasts half of his body off (something Vegeta and Trunks together didn't even do). Beerus though fighting with SSG Goku was fun. We later find out Beerus is still stronger than kaioken x10 Goku, and possibly even SSB Vegito. Golden Frieza is SSB level. Goku also goes SSB against 17. Goku is able to fight Hit in base form better than Vegeta did in SSB. Base Black starts overpowering SSB Vegeta, then Black goes SSR and Vegeta starts to put up a better fight. (did going SSR make Black weaker? lol)

[fadeddreams5]

The most interesting interactions will be those between Frieza and Frost, as well as Frieza and Toppo. The latter will now definitely consider U7 a threat with Frieza in their team.