"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[SaiyanGod117]

This isn't Dr. Slump, this is Dragon Bal.

That doesnt change the fact that both series were writen by Toriyama himself.

I honestly don't care anymore, it's pretty much noncanon to me.

[HeroR]

Goten and Trunks are sideline because Toriyama doesn't want to used them. It is that simple. And the audience doesn't have a real investment with them, so they wouldn't care to 'grow' with them unlike Goku and Gohan.

It is a joke that the fandom decided to take seriously and it fits Goku just fine since he had no clue what a relationship is and was forced into one. It's only flanderization for people who don't understand that. Or think that kissing is required to have kids.

Oh the, "you will literally defend anything Toriyama/Toei/Toyatoro do in Super" line. Can't you come up with something original? This comes off as whining.

What Toriyama personlly wants to write for Super and what's the best course of action, use of characters, division of roles etc. is not automatically the same.

If Chi-Chi managed to force Goku into marraige, force his penis to get hard and force it inside her she would have zero issues forcing him to kiss

So no, actually that joke didn't fit him nor his situation at all.

And really, your quest to defend a failed joke in the franchise comes off as whining. Even comedic/storytelling geniuses (assuming for a moment that Toriyama is one) make mistakes. It's ok, the world keeps on going.

True, but I don't care about Goten and Trunks enough to care if Toriyama invest in them. So to me, it really doesn't matter.

So rape.

It fits Goku because he doesn't care about relationships or putting his lips on a woman. Not hard to understand unless you think Chi-Chi really did rape Goku.

I'm whining? Who're the people still complaining about an one-off joke months after it happened and trying to blame Toei for 'forcing' Toriyama to write it because they don't want to believe Goku never swap spit with his wife? Whether you find the gag funny or not, I don't give a damn. But it still doesn't change the simple fact that kissing isn't required to have kids. To put it bluntly, "you don't need to kiss to fuck".

[Freeza9000]

A glimpse of Golden Freeza in #93, I see. This will be interesting.

[Totamo]

Goten and Trunks are sideline because Toriyama doesn't want to used them. It is that simple. And the audience doesn't have a real investment with them, so they wouldn't care to 'grow' with them unlike Goku and Gohan.

It is a joke that the fandom decided to take seriously and it fits Goku just fine since he had no clue what a relationship is and was forced into one. It's only flanderization for people who don't understand that. Or think that kissing is required to have kids.

Oh the, "you will literally defend anything Toriyama/Toei/Toyatoro do in Super" line. Can't you come up with something original? This comes off as whining.

What Toriyama personlly wants to write for Super and what's the best course of action, use of characters, division of roles etc. is not automatically the same.

If Chi-Chi managed to force Goku into marraige, force his penis to get hard and force it inside her she would have zero issues forcing him to kiss

So no, actually that joke didn't fit him nor his situation at all.

And really, your quest to defend a failed joke in the franchise comes off as whining. Even comedic/storytelling geniuses (assuming for a moment that Toriyama is one) make mistakes. It's ok, the world keeps on going.

Chi chi kissing Goku makes sense but I don'tknow about vice versa. The fandom still debates whether goku even loves his family.

I am being serious here, is there any evidence in the MANGA that Goku has kissed his wife? Goku hasn't exactly been home al lthose years they were married and he was mostly training or eating when he was.

Not to mention saiyans are primarily more savage than humans, I am pretty sure Goku can do the due withoutkissing his wife.


Hey, but maybe toyo misinterpreted the joke and it was the senzu bean, goku was talking about but considering this is the guy who did not know what marriage was at the age of 18, leaves his family for a village boy at the end of the series and was away more than with said family before.

I don't know.

[Simere]

A glimpse of Golden Freeza in #93, I see. This will be interesting.

It raises the possibility that he's been able to train.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

A glimpse of Golden Freeza in #93, I see. This will be interesting.

It raises the possibility that he's been able to train.

Not really. He learned how to become Golden ages ago at this point.

[Basaku]

What Toriyama personlly wants to write for Super and what's the best course of action, use of characters, division of roles etc. is not automatically the same.

If Chi-Chi managed to force Goku into marraige, force his penis to get hard and force it inside her she would have zero issues forcing him to kiss

So no, actually that joke didn't fit him nor his situation at all.

And really, your quest to defend a failed joke in the franchise comes off as whining. Even comedic/storytelling geniuses (assuming for a moment that Toriyama is one) make mistakes. It's ok, the world keeps on going.

True, but I don't care about Goten and Trunks enough to care if Toriyama invest in them. So to me, it really doesn't matter.

So rape.

It fits Goku because he doesn't care about relationships or putting his lips on a woman. Not hard to understand unless you think Chi-Chi really did rape Goku.

I'm whining? Who's the people still complaining about an one-off joke months after it happened and trying to blame Toei for 'forcing' Toriyama to write it because they don't want to believe Goku never swap spit with his wife? Whether you fine the gag funny or not, I don't give a damn. But it still doesn't change the simple fact that kissing isn't required to have kids. To put it bluntly, "you don't need to kiss to fuck".

Cool, you could've just said from the start you don't care about Goten/Trunks personally

You're the one who said she's forcing him to do stuff and Goku has no clue about anything sexual or intimate.

Who's the person getting all bothered about someone taking a small jab at a flop joke with snarky remarks and bizarre explanations how kissing is not biologically part of reproduction? And I never blamed "Toei for forcing Toriyama to do anything", I have no issues criticizing content/writing in Dragon Ball regardless if the idea came from Toei or Toriyama.

[HeroR]

Cool, you could've just said from the start you don't care about Goten/Trunks personally

You're the one who said she's forcing him to do stuff and Goku has no clue about anything sexual or intimate.

Who's the person getting all bothered about someone taking a small jab at a flop joke with snarky remarks and bizarre explanations how kissing is not biologically part of reproduction? And I never blamed "Toei for forcing Toriyama to do anything", I have no issues criticizing content/writing in Dragon Ball regardless if the idea came from Toei or Toriyama.

Most fans don't care about Goten and Trunks to 'grow up with them'. Neither of them are Goku or Gohan.

No I said Chi-Chi forced him to relationship. Forcing someone into a relationship isn't the same as forcing them into sex. How they had sex, I have no clue and I don't care enough to think about it. But it isn't hard to believe that Goku is a tap and leave it guy. His idea of foreplay is probably eating food off of Chi-Chi's body.

Bother? I find it amusing that you and others are still complaining about an one-off joke and even saying hyperbolic crap like "There's not a single person on the planet who had sex yet never kissed, even if they're not into kissing much. Source: common sense, personal and anecdotal experience, logic, entire history of mankind etc." Or the suggesting that I am a child of a young teenager with "Don't worry. One day you will understand "

When you say crazy stuff like that, you moved past the "criticizing content/writing in Dragon Ball regardless if the idea came from Toei or Toriyama". As they say, you have the right to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Chi chi kissing Goku makes sense but I don'tknow about vice versa. The fandom still debates whether goku even loves his family.

I am being serious here, is there any evidence in the MANGA that Goku has kissed his wife? Goku hasn't exactly been home al lthose years they were married and he was mostly training or eating when he was.

Not to mention saiyans are primarily more savage than humans, I am pretty sure Goku can do the due withoutkissing his wife.


Hey, but maybe toyo misinterpreted the joke and it was the senzu bean, goku was talking about but considering this is the guy who did not know what marriage was at the age of 18, leaves his family for a village boy at the end of the series and was away more than with said family before.

I don't know.

From what I have read, there is no proof that Goku has ever been affectionate with his wife outside of him having kids. Chi-Chi kisses, hugs, and cuddles him, but Goku doesn't return any of it outside of a huge in the Buu Saga. Even in Super, Goku is embarrassed when Chi-Chi hugs him after his lost to Frost.

[Basaku]

Most fans don't care about Goten and Trunks to 'grow up with them'. Neither of them are Goku or Gohan.

No I said Chi-Chi forced him to relationship. Forcing someone into a relationship isn't the same as forcing them into sex. How they had sex, I have no clue and I don't care enough to think about it. But it isn't hard to believe that Goku is a tap and leave it guy. His idea of foreplay is probably eating food off of Chi-Chi's body.

Bother? I find it amusing that you and others are still complaining about an one-off joke and even saying hyperbolic crap like "There's not a single person on the planet who had sex yet never kissed, even if they're not into kissing much. Source: common sense, personal and anecdotal experience, logic, entire history of mankind etc." Or the suggesting that I am a child of a young teenager with "Don't worry. One day you will understand "

When you say crazy stuff like that, you moved past the "criticizing content/writing in Dragon Ball regardless if the idea came from Toei or Toriyama". As they say, you have the right to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Ahh so you're back to proclaiming what you feel like it what most fans think, great.

It's one thing to be of 'tap it and leave it' mind and another about not trying or happening to experience kissing, one of the main sexual (not just relationship/super intimate) practices in our species, most direct and most 'accessible' one at that, even once

I find it just as amusing how you continue your crusade in honour of Toriyama's flop joke. I took a small jab at it, you turned turned it into 'super serious examination of kissing and sex' so again, why exactly are you complaing about the direction the discussin took? As for throwing snarky suggestions at you, you started right away with explanations how kissing is not biological part of reproduction = you're suggesting I don't know that. I'm just throwing some shade/sarcasm it back at you. If you dish it, learn to take it.

[Basako]

The non kiss gag being in both mediums doesn't necessarily mean it was written by Toriyama. Toyotaro said he had been taking some ideas from the anime in that arc and that the anime would be taking from him in the future. What we know about the drafts is that they are bare bones without dialogs and that he leaves the gags to Toyotaro and pays attention to them and the same should go for Toei, because the draft is the same.

The joke was so bad, unfunny and made look Goku so stupid. Trunks wasn't really kissing Mai, he was giving a chewed senzu to cure her and Goku knew it, so his comment was nonsense in any case. But Toei and Toyotaro included it and Toriyama at least approved it. It's canon for me, the manga is my canon and there it was.

[HeroR]

Ahh so you're back to proclaiming what you feel like it what most fans think, great.

It's one thing to be of 'tap it and leave it' mind and another about not trying or happening to experience kissing, one of the main sexual (not just relationship/super intimate) practices in our species, most direct and most 'accessible' one at that, even once

I find it just as amusing how you continue your crusade in honour of Toriyama's flop joke. I took a small jab at it, you turned turned it into 'super serious examination of kissing and sex' so again, why exactly are you complaing about the direction the discussin took? As for throwing snarky suggestions at you, you started right away with explanations how kissing is not biological part of reproduction = you're suggesting I don't know that. I'm just throwing some shade/sarcasm it back at you. If you dish it, learn to take it.

That is the general feeling of the fandom. They really don't care to grow up with Goten and Trunks. The show doesn't give any investment to do so and haven't in the past several years.

Why would Goku care to "trying or happening to experience". When Chi-Chi kissed him during the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament, Goku didn't look please about it. The man barely hugs his children. And here is your problem, "one of the main sexual (not just relationship/super intimate) practices in our species". Goku isn't "our" species. He is a human alien. The only thing human about him is his looks and he was raised in isolation for for most of his childhood.

What crusade? I don't care if you like the joke, but when you say hyperbolic crap like, "There's not a single person on the planet who had sex yet never kissed, even if they're not into kissing much. Source: common sense, personal and anecdotal experience, logic, entire history of mankind etc." or trying to dismissed someone's opinion as "Or the suggesting that I am a child of a young teenager with "Don't worry. One day you will understand ", then quite frankly I have the right to snark you and your mindset. Not to mention, you responded to me with a hyperbolic. I wasn't even addressing you when you decided to jump in and put your two cents.

I can take it just fine. And I dish out it just as viciously as anyone else.

[MasterVampire]

A glimpse of Golden Freeza in #93, I see. This will be interesting.

So after the black saga and new touranament coming Goku MUST be stronger then Golden Freezer now right.?
Just in SSJB not even counting Kaio Ken and all.

[Basako]

A glimpse of Golden Freeza in #93, I see. This will be interesting.

So after the black saga and new touranament coming Goku MUST be stronger then Golden Freezer now right.?
Just in SSJB not even counting Kaio Ken and all.

Goku trained three years in the chamber with Vegeta, the tournament, the future arc and some more months of training. He must have made some progress, he should be stronger without the Kaio Ken.

[alakazam^]

I'd like to see Freeza and Frost teaming with each other athough I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up being jerks to one another. Their likeness could provide good interactions (them sizing their transformations up, Freeza teaching Golden to Frost, etc).

[Simere]

A glimpse of Golden Freeza in #93, I see. This will be interesting.

It raises the possibility that he's been able to train.

Not really. He learned how to become Golden ages ago at this point.

I might be missing your point, but I'm saying because he's not bound up, and because that background is unfamiliar, he might be in a different place this time that lets him move around. Or it's just a scene after Goku's had him taken down, and the background will be changed later.

[HeroR]

I'd like to see Freeza and Frost teaming with each other athough I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up being jerks to one another. Their likeness could provide good interactions (them sizing their transformations up, Freeza teaching Golden to Frost, etc).

I can't see Frost and Freeze getting along since Frost leans more towards Pragmatic Villainy, while Freeza is a sadistic loose cannon who lets his emotions get the best of him.

[Lord Frieza]

A glimpse of Golden Freeza in #93, I see. This will be interesting.

So after the black saga and new touranament coming Goku MUST be stronger then Golden Freezer now right.?
Just in SSJB not even counting Kaio Ken and all.

Well the big problem on that one is that we dont really have a clue how strong Golden Frieza actually is. during his fight with SSB Goku, Frieza was not fighting seriously and he had Goku on the ropes after just a short fight. Hell in the anime Frieza's beating of Goku looks even more effortless. Since it was stated that Goku and Vegeta would need to team up to beat him, a team up that would have given Beerus trouble, that means Frieza could have been holding back so very substantial power.

While Goku and Vegeta have trained since, its never stated that Goku's made any big improvements base wise. Hell the manga implies that while training to fight U6 they didn't improve much at all. During the Black arc Goku makes zero progress in terms power and only learned the Mafuba. Vegeta did get stronger during that arc and Goku has the kaioken buuut we cannot say they are stronger then Frieza until we see his full power.

[HeroR]

Well the big problem on that one is that we dont really have a clue how strong Golden Frieza actually is. during his fight with SSB Goku, Frieza was not fighting seriously and he had Goku on the ropes after just a short fight. Hell in the anime Frieza's beating of Goku looks even more effortless. Since it was stated that Goku and Vegeta would need to team up to beat him, a team up that would have given Beerus trouble, that means Frieza could have been holding back so very substantial power.

While Goku and Vegeta have trained since, its never stated that Goku's made any big improvements base wise. Hell the manga implies that while training to fight U6 they didn't improve much at all. During the Black arc Goku makes zero progress in terms power and only learned the Mafuba. Vegeta did get stronger during that arc and Goku has the kaioken buuut we cannot say they are stronger then Frieza until we see his full power.

It was never implied in either the movie or anime that Freeza held back. In fact, Freeza went to his max in Super the moment Goku did and burnt himself out in seconds. Whis also said that Goku and Vegeta teaming up with easily beat Freeza, while with Beerus in the movie they would need to team up just to have a remote chance against Beerus and that line wasn't in Super.

We know Goku made improvements base wise since he used Kaioken x10 to fight Hit during the Champa Saga, yet didn't need to used the Kaioken at all against Hit during their rematch. Goku at full power also managed to damaged Merged Zamasu. Unless you're trying to imply that Goku Black was weaker than Golden Freeza, saying that Freeza is still on top is extremely unlikely.

[precita]

Golden Freeza's color scheme is hard on the eyes. I hope he gets a new transformation just so we don't have to sit through this design the whole tournament.

[Ki Breaker]

Golden freeza looks bad..
His colour scheme is uneasy to look at..
I hope he changes it to blue this time around, he after all can change it at will right..