"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[BlueBasilisk]

Does she? She barely has that much screen time to begin with. Most of the time she's just acting like a mother and wife would... just generally nice and respectful to everyone. But even then, we see in Episode 73 and 74, that she's basically a calm and level headed person who extremely supportive and trusting of her husband and still isn't above verbally tearing down people who spread bullshit.

Videl is also one of the few people who isn't affraid to stand up to Chi Chi, like when she told Chi Chi that Pan could follow the path of a martial artist if she wanted.

[perucho1990]

I don't think it's impossible to make her interesting again; Videl showed quick flashes of character during that two-episode Gohan mini-arc a while back.
Additional example: Vegeta was, for the past 3 months, falling into that same blandness hole that Videl's currently in, but he clawed his way out of there in the past two weeks.

Speaking of Vegeta, i wonder how Toei will write his fight vs Brianne, if Vegeta gives her the same treatment he gave to Black in episode 63, I expect tons of complains from tumblr and similar sites..

[Chuquita]

I don't think it's impossible to make her interesting again; Videl showed quick flashes of character during that two-episode Gohan mini-arc a while back.
Additional example: Vegeta was, for the past 3 months, falling into that same blandness hole that Videl's currently in, but he clawed his way out of there in the past two weeks.

Speaking of Vegeta, i wonder how Toei will write his fight vs Brianne, if Vegeta gives her the same treatment he gave to Black in episode 63, I expect tons of complains from tumblr and similar sites..

I think it depends on how much of a gag character vs a parody character Brianne is. Could be a vs Arale fight, could be a vs Gokû Black fight.

I'm ok no matter if Vegeta wins or loses to her. I do hope it's a fun fight though and they take advantage of all the Precure tropes Brianne encompasses.

My main beef with Vegeta was concern over how mellow and bland he was on his way towards back from February to April. Now that he's back to training and making rash decisions that don't always end well and being invested in getting stronger than Gokû I'm content with him.

[perucho1990]

I think it depends on how much of a gag character vs a parody character Brianne is. Could be a vs Arale fight, could be a vs Gokû Black fight.

I'm ok no matter if Vegeta wins or loses to her. I do hope it's a fun fight though and they take advantage of all the Precure tropes Brianne encompasses.

My main beef with Vegeta was concern over how mellow and bland he was on his way towards back from February to April. Now that he's back to training and making rash decisions that don't always end well and being invested in getting stronger than Gokû I'm content with him.

It would be interesting if Vegeta learned from the fight vs Arale and beats Brianne by using strategy instead of relying on brute force. A nice way to prove Vegeta is also a fighting genius.

Vegeta shouldve gotten a big boost, when he first broke the ROSAT he looked exhausted, and now he seems completely fine after destroying it again.

[Chuquita]

I think it depends on how much of a gag character vs a parody character Brianne is. Could be a vs Arale fight, could be a vs Gokû Black fight.

I'm ok no matter if Vegeta wins or loses to her. I do hope it's a fun fight though and they take advantage of all the Precure tropes Brianne encompasses.

My main beef with Vegeta was concern over how mellow and bland he was on his way towards back from February to April. Now that he's back to training and making rash decisions that don't always end well and being invested in getting stronger than Gokû I'm content with him.

It would be interesting if Vegeta learned from the fight vs Arale and beats Brianne by using strategy instead of relying on brute force. A nice way to prove Vegeta is also a fighting genius.

Vegeta shouldve gotten a big boost, when he first broke the ROSAT he looked exhausted, and now he seems completely fine after destroying it again.

Strategy could definitely work. In Toei's Precure most of the time the villains get a win against the magical girls by a combination of psychologically defeating them and regular kick and punch battling.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I disagree with this 100%, I find the last part to be revealing to your character and I will leave it at that.

New topic. Does anyone feel the machine universe is essentially cheating.

Then come up with a better reply than insulting him. If you disagree with all of it. Put in the effort to actually reply to it all. And what does the last part reveal about his character? He wants good writing with women? Lazy writing sucks?

Nah, I wouldn't say that. They are all technically robots.

1) I've been making points. I left it at that as to not create an argument in the thread about sexism and people who run around crying it when there is no evidence of that in the matter at hand..I try and put as much insight or thought into each post as I can or the topic allows.

2) Yes but they are also enhancing themselves with artificial parts they were not created with specifically for the tournament. Maybe its not cheating but it seems really cheesy...I like that there is a robotic universe but maybe they should have been one of the exempt.

[emperior]

Do you guys think Freezer will stick around this time? It would make no sense to bring him back and then leave him dead once again. He might also become a "awesome sparring partner" as Goku told him during RoF arc. Freezer could turn out to be a key for Goku and Vegeta's improvement, and we may also finally see what Freezer's true potential is, because people are still confused - we know Freezer has been able to reach an extemely high level in just 4 months of training, so I bet many viewers wondered how strong he would become if he trained his ass off for much more time. He will not get crazy gains unless he discovers another new form (which I doubt) but he could learn how to control God ki though, which would surely make him stronger.

It would also be awesome to finally see Freezer as a recurring antagonist/rival. Maybe he could finally start respecting Goku? Though I'm not sure I would want to see him soften up like Vegeta did.

[vic94]

Do you guys think Freezer will stick around this time? It would make no sense to bring him back and then leave him dead once again. He might also become a "awesome sparring partner" as Goku told him during RoF arc. Freezer could turn out to be a key for Goku and Vegeta's improvement, and we may also finally see what Freezer's true potential is, because people are still confused - we know Freezer has been able to reach an extemely high level in just 4 months of training, so I bet many viewers wondered how strong he would become if he trained his ass off for much more time. He will not get crazy gains unless he discovers another new form (which I doubt) but he could learn how to control God ki though, which would surely make him stronger.

It would also be awesome to finally see Freezer as a recurring antagonist/rival. Maybe he could finally start respecting Goku? Though I'm not sure I would want to see him soften up like Vegeta did.

I would like to see Frieza survive, but I can't see it happening because there is nothing more he can do now. If he lives, he would try to rebuild the Frieza Army, but with Beerus and Shin around, he wouldn't be able to take over or destroy planets anymore.

Besides that, like in Resurrection F, it could be possible Frieza does something stupid and gets himself killed or erased. Every time he is given a chance, he wastes it and tries something stupid. Goku gives him energy to survive, he uses it to kill and gets blasted. Trunks tries to spare him, he gets cut to pieces. Advised not to take revenge, does it anyway and gets killed again.

[emperior]

Toriyama:
You’re really good at composition! It looks so cool; these days there’s no way I could draw such energetic artwork! Whenever I supervise anime and whatnot, there’s always something that bugs me and that I’ll ask to have fixed. But when I look at your storyboards, I can just take it easy. I can give it the OK in no time flat; it really makes things convenient (laughs).

From Super's manga volume 1 interview between Toyotaro and Toriyama. I never noticed it before, probably because the highlight of the interview was Toriyama heavily implying Future Trunks' return. Basically Toriyama himself confirmed he supervises anime (probably the storyboards). This is further confirmation that, like it or not, Toriyama is very involved with the anime and I believe he approves everything we see on-screen (apart from bad animation and art which he can't do much about, though it seems like he got so annoyed by Toei he almost quit Super). This shouldn't be much of a surprise considering Super is the continuation of his manga, though, as always, it's pretty sad to see he doesn't really care about having a single continuity as the anime and manga are quite different, even though the story they tell is basically the same.

The anime has always been published as the main thing and the manga as a promotional thing, I wonder if it's the same for Toriyama.

[Basako]

The anime has always been published as the main thing and the manga as a promotional thing, I wonder if it's the same for Toriyama.

Although it was born as promotional to the anime, things have changed a bit. The anime is still the main thing, but I'd call the manga a side product.

It's already being marketed on its own. It's hardly promoting the universe survival arc, if they wanted to do that, they would have told him to rush the story and be more in line with what is airing to promote it. They are letting him do his thing now, probably because they noticed it was something worth it and people liked it enough to buy it too. It's gonna make some money, that's the thing. Which is great, nothing against that.

[perucho1990]

Toriyama:
You’re really good at composition! It looks so cool; these days there’s no way I could draw such energetic artwork! Whenever I supervise anime and whatnot, there’s always something that bugs me and that I’ll ask to have fixed. But when I look at your storyboards, I can just take it easy. I can give it the OK in no time flat; it really makes things convenient (laughs).

From Super's manga volume 1 interview between Toyotaro and Toriyama. I never noticed it before, probably because the highlight of the interview was Toriyama heavily implying Future Trunks' return. Basically Toriyama himself confirmed he supervises anime (probably the storyboards). This is further confirmation that, like it or not, Toriyama is very involved with the anime and I believe he approves everything we see on-screen (apart from bad animation and art which he can't do much about, though it seems like he got so annoyed by Toei he almost quit Super). This shouldn't be much of a surprise considering Super is the continuation of his manga, though, as always, it's pretty sad to see he doesn't really care about having a single continuity as the anime and manga are quite different, even though the story they tell is basically the same.

The anime has always been published as the main thing and the manga as a promotional thing, I wonder if it's the same for Toriyama.

I guess we could blame Toriyama for things like:
Trunks getting Ikari and Genkidama mode
Pilaf Gang amount of screen time in the Black Arc
Tenshinhan getting humilliated, to the point he jobs to Roshi out of all people.
17 reaching Blue level

[emperior]

Toriyama:
You’re really good at composition! It looks so cool; these days there’s no way I could draw such energetic artwork! Whenever I supervise anime and whatnot, there’s always something that bugs me and that I’ll ask to have fixed. But when I look at your storyboards, I can just take it easy. I can give it the OK in no time flat; it really makes things convenient (laughs).

From Super's manga volume 1 interview between Toyotaro and Toriyama. I never noticed it before, probably because the highlight of the interview was Toriyama heavily implying Future Trunks' return. Basically Toriyama himself confirmed he supervises anime (probably the storyboards). This is further confirmation that, like it or not, Toriyama is very involved with the anime and I believe he approves everything we see on-screen (apart from bad animation and art which he can't do much about, though it seems like he got so annoyed by Toei he almost quit Super). This shouldn't be much of a surprise considering Super is the continuation of his manga, though, as always, it's pretty sad to see he doesn't really care about having a single continuity as the anime and manga are quite different, even though the story they tell is basically the same.

The anime has always been published as the main thing and the manga as a promotional thing, I wonder if it's the same for Toriyama.

I guess we could blame Toriyama for things like:
Trunks getting Ikari and Genkidama mode
Pilaf Gang amount of screen time in the Black Arc
Tenshinhan getting humilliated, to the point he jobs to Roshi out of all people.
17 reaching Blue level

Yes. Especially 17 being on that level, the producer recently said Toriyama is ok with having 17 being this powerful and he said 17 has "great potential". It was also his idea in the first place to bring 17 back.

[TekTheNinja]

Examples please?

There have already been plenty. Case and point, Videl's entire personality.

Then there's the one that pisses me off in particular, which is Yamcha being treated as a joke in-universe.

So Videl decided to settle down and act more level-headed because she's married and has an infant to look after and she's suddenly out of character for not acting like a teenager? I don't get that

I'm intrigued to know the other examples, though.

Maturing does not equal becoming a boring plank of wood.

[TekTheNinja]

Goku and Vegeta were rivaling each other throughout that entire special and Gohan was the only one mentoring.

Also someone tell me: Why do people care about Videl? She didn't do anything relevant in the buu saga. Hell, super used her more.Now that I think about what did Goten and Trunks even do? They just made things worse.

I don't think a lot of people here get dragon ball's character usage, THEY BARELY USE THEM.

It's like with Lunch or Chiaozu, THEY DON'T MATTER.

The point is that everyone was in character there. In Super they aren't.

The point is: you guys have a selective memory and I also think it's pretty dumb to compare a 30 minute special to a 93 episode series.

Seriously, come on

Selective memory? Bullshit. I watch Super and Kai back to back sometimes. The difference is clear as night and day.

[GodKaio-Ken]

Do you guys think Freezer will stick around this time? It would make no sense to bring him back and then leave him dead once again. He might also become a "awesome sparring partner" as Goku told him during RoF arc. Freezer could turn out to be a key for Goku and Vegeta's improvement, and we may also finally see what Freezer's true potential is, because people are still confused - we know Freezer has been able to reach an extemely high level in just 4 months of training, so I bet many viewers wondered how strong he would become if he trained his ass off for much more time. He will not get crazy gains unless he discovers another new form (which I doubt) but he could learn how to control God ki though, which would surely make him stronger.

It would also be awesome to finally see Freezer as a recurring antagonist/rival. Maybe he could finally start respecting Goku? Though I'm not sure I would want to see him soften up like Vegeta did.

I would like to see Frieza survive, but I can't see it happening because there is nothing more he can do now. If he lives, he would try to rebuild the Frieza Army, but with Beerus and Shin around, he wouldn't be able to take over or destroy planets anymore.

Besides that, like in Resurrection F, it could be possible Frieza does something stupid and gets himself killed or erased. Every time he is given a chance, he wastes it and tries something stupid. Goku gives him energy to survive, he uses it to kill and gets blasted. Trunks tries to spare him, he gets cut to pieces. Advised not to take revenge, does it anyway and gets killed again.

To be honest I'm not sure Beerus gives a damn but I agree with everything else.

Also if there are really only 28 planets left I'm not sure what empire he would build. Literally every fighter would probably be weaker than 18 or Piccolo

[dragon boss z]

Do you guys think Freezer will stick around this time? It would make no sense to bring him back and then leave him dead once again. He might also become a "awesome sparring partner" as Goku told him during RoF arc. Freezer could turn out to be a key for Goku and Vegeta's improvement, and we may also finally see what Freezer's true potential is, because people are still confused - we know Freezer has been able to reach an extemely high level in just 4 months of training, so I bet many viewers wondered how strong he would become if he trained his ass off for much more time. He will not get crazy gains unless he discovers another new form (which I doubt) but he could learn how to control God ki though, which would surely make him stronger.

It would also be awesome to finally see Freezer as a recurring antagonist/rival. Maybe he could finally start respecting Goku? Though I'm not sure I would want to see him soften up like Vegeta did.

I would like to see Frieza survive, but I can't see it happening because there is nothing more he can do now. If he lives, he would try to rebuild the Frieza Army, but with Beerus and Shin around, he wouldn't be able to take over or destroy planets anymore.

Besides that, like in Resurrection F, it could be possible Frieza does something stupid and gets himself killed or erased. Every time he is given a chance, he wastes it and tries something stupid. Goku gives him energy to survive, he uses it to kill and gets blasted. Trunks tries to spare him, he gets cut to pieces. Advised not to take revenge, does it anyway and gets killed again.

To be honest I'm not sure Beerus gives a damn but I agree with everything else.

Also if there are really only 28 planets left I'm not sure what empire he would build. Literally every fighter would probably be weaker than 18 or Piccolo

Uh doesn't that go without saying? First form Namek saga Frieza was already pretty much the undisputed strongest mortal in the universe. Both 18 and Piccolo are stronger than 100% Frieza, so of course they would be stronger than any soldier Frieza can find.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I would like to see Frieza survive, but I can't see it happening because there is nothing more he can do now. If he lives, he would try to rebuild the Frieza Army, but with Beerus and Shin around, he wouldn't be able to take over or destroy planets anymore.

Besides that, like in Resurrection F, it could be possible Frieza does something stupid and gets himself killed or erased. Every time he is given a chance, he wastes it and tries something stupid. Goku gives him energy to survive, he uses it to kill and gets blasted. Trunks tries to spare him, he gets cut to pieces. Advised not to take revenge, does it anyway and gets killed again.

To be honest I'm not sure Beerus gives a damn but I agree with everything else.

Also if there are really only 28 planets left I'm not sure what empire he would build. Literally every fighter would probably be weaker than 18 or Piccolo

Uh doesn't that go without saying? First form Namek saga Frieza was already pretty much the undisputed strongest mortal in the universe. Both 18 and Piccolo are stronger than 100% Frieza, so of course they would be stronger than any soldier Frieza can find.

Why the snarky sarcasm when the point flew completely over your head?

Thats exactly what I'm saying. He literally CANT rebuild.

[emperior]

Toriyama must have some plan for Freezer... or at least I hope so.

Freezer can't rebuild his army and I doubt they would allow him to. It also wouldn't make any sense for him to continue his PTO and from RoF it seemed like he didn't care much about his army and in Super he also killed all of his soldiers.

If Freezer stays around (and I think he will) I think he will become a rival to Goku similar to Vegeta, though I can't see him living on Earth. Maybe he will move somewhere doing legit business without scamming and killing people. If Frost or U6 survive, Freezer could go somewhere with Frost. Though it could also be that Freezer dies in the tournament, and it would be the first time someone dies with the halo which would mean he would be erased from existence forever.

[perucho1990]

I got this from 4chan, of course lets take it with a grain of salt

This isn't really "credible," but I went to an anime convention last weekend where Ryusei Nakao was a guest, and he said some shit about Frieza and Goku making an alliance in the next arc

If this true, the moment Frieza starts torturing someone, the rest of the Universes will firmly believe Goku is evil(and Universe 6 will be put in the same sack because Frost is Frieza counterpart).

[GodKaio-Ken]

I got this from 4chan, of course lets take it with a grain of salt

This isn't really "credible," but I went to an anime convention last weekend where Ryusei Nakao was a guest, and he said some shit about Frieza and Goku making an alliance in the next arc

If this true, the moment Frieza starts torturing someone, the rest of the Universes will firmly believe Goku is evil(and Universe 6 will be put in the same sack because Frost is Frieza counterpart).

I dont believe it because if a person was there they would state the name of the convention and it could be confirmed it was said. Leaving out the actual name means noone can pinpoint exactly which event he means without doing a bit of digging...and while the work isnt hard most people just wont do it to find out.