Agreed. Not to mention that this is probably the match that will tell us where Goku's power is about, since so far he only got weak opponents.FoolsGil wrote:Goku's fight against Freeza was the only match from him remotely entertaining. I've been looking forward for Master and Student to finally face off.
Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
Moderators: General Help, Kanzenshuu Staff
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
I'm back!
Lurking around here since 2014. Just an old fan who regained his passion for Dragon Ball since then.
Lurking around here since 2014. Just an old fan who regained his passion for Dragon Ball since then.
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
Can't wait to see Vegeta's new form that's supposedly better than SS3.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
Oob should actually have a decent shot, but seeing as how he had trouble with Fat Boo, I don't see him taking this unless he can pump up Kaioken to ridiculous levels.
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
We know how strong Goku is here, since Slagir subscribes to the theory of diminishing returns. He's not all that much stronger from the Boo Saga ten years ago.Rubens wrote:Agreed. Not to mention that this is probably the match that will tell us where Goku's power is about, since so far he only got weak opponents.FoolsGil wrote:Goku's fight against Freeza was the only match from him remotely entertaining. I've been looking forward for Master and Student to finally face off.
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
I've never heard of this theory, it doesn't make sense that someone like Goku hasn't made substantial gains in ten years, and then what about Vegeta's supposed new form if diminishing returns is in effect?Gog wrote:We know how strong Goku is here, since Slagir subscribes to the theory of diminishing returns. He's not all that much stronger from the Boo Saga ten years ago.Rubens wrote:Agreed. Not to mention that this is probably the match that will tell us where Goku's power is about, since so far he only got weak opponents.FoolsGil wrote:Goku's fight against Freeza was the only match from him remotely entertaining. I've been looking forward for Master and Student to finally face off.
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
Well, it comes from this statement from Slagir, there's probably more than this, but for the time being this is all I can find:FoolsGil wrote:I've never heard of this theory, it doesn't make sense that someone like Goku hasn't made substantial gains in ten years, and then what about Vegeta's supposed new form if diminishing returns is in effect?Gog wrote:We know how strong Goku is here, since Slagir subscribes to the theory of diminishing returns. He's not all that much stronger from the Boo Saga ten years ago.Rubens wrote: Agreed. Not to mention that this is probably the match that will tell us where Goku's power is about, since so far he only got weak opponents.
[spoiler]> dragonball noob : P.s- Its like teling me my limit of doing push-ups is 10 and no matter how hard I try and workout I will never be able to do 11 push-ups.
Muahahah ! I can do 12 push-ups, and only using half of my powers !
Hu... what I wanted to say is...
You train a lot and go to 1000 push ups, that's your limit. OK. Train again and you may do 1003. Or 1039. Even 1076. That's incredible. But you're not going to do 2000. Nope.
I'm talking about limits for that. The heroes have surpassed the gods, and are not far from the strongest being in the universe and all times (Buu). What's even the meaning of getting stronger again and again? It's in fact... not even fun to me as a scenarist.
No limits are cool for enemies, for challenges. Broly becoming always stronger is a challenge. But I should never give this power to a hero. After that, what's left? He is stronger ? Let's go SSJ5, SSJ7, fusion mystic SSJ39... It's so uninteresting...
Limits are challenging. That's why I use limits.[/spoiler]
Anyway, fun fact! For a time period Slagir did believe that 530K was Finial Form Freeza's Full Power.
Edit: Review for the fight, honestly this battle was a massive disappointment in all categories. With Raichi coming out looking like he was an incompetent fool. It also doesn't make Gast look any better considering Raichi had to be dumbed down in order for Gast to beat him in a smart and pragmatic way. It also stings that Gast was the one who beat Raichi as Raichi was a fully realized character, with a fleshed out personality, and Gast is just a silent badass.. And that's it he wants to revive his people, and that's where it ends he's a one trick pony.
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
That diminishing returns theory, if I'm not mistaken, basically states if a character maintains the same training routine over and over (even if it got a great boost of power at first), the gains it gets are increasingly less that at some point it won't make it stronger, just maintain the peak of power. At least this is my perception of it.
Still, it doesn't mean that Goku can't be much stronger than he was back in Boo arc. It's possible that he could have "mastered" SSj3 or something like that. The point is, as viewers we haven't really had the chance to see Goku's true strength in DBM, other than reactions and feedback from him or other characters.
Spoiler:
I'm back!
Lurking around here since 2014. Just an old fan who regained his passion for Dragon Ball since then.
Lurking around here since 2014. Just an old fan who regained his passion for Dragon Ball since then.
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
The thing about this "diminishing returns" theory is that apparently Vegeta isn't subbing to that. And he's got a brand new form to show everyone and we all know the tropes, he will match Goku. It's kind of lame that this whole new transformation will only push him to an apparently petered out Goku. Goku Barely any stronger than Kid Buu after 10 years? Vegeta's new transformation will only get him that far? What a lame multiplier.
- miguelnuva1
- I Live Here
- Posts: 2685
- Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:23 pm
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
I'm thinking Vegeta will dominate either Goku or Cell abd either way Goku will copy during the fight.FoolsGil wrote:The thing about this "diminishing returns" theory is that apparently Vegeta isn't subbing to that. And he's got a brand new form to show everyone and we all know the tropes, he will match Goku. It's kind of lame that this whole new transformation will only push him to an apparently petered out Goku. Goku Barely any stronger than Kid Buu after 10 years? Vegeta's new transformation will only get him that far? What a lame multiplier.
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
That's a nice page. Really looking foward for that match.coola wrote:
One of my biggest gripes with GT is that taking the first episode we got nothing more from the supposed master and student bound Goku and Oob formed after EoZ.
-
- Beyond-the-Beyond Newbie
- Posts: 343
- Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:35 am
- Location: Los Angeles
- Contact:
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
After watching Kale in DBSuper 100, I'm even more convinced that the Toei writers are getting ideas from DB Multiverse. Right down to the random Broly energy blasts being tossed around the arena at the other competitors.
I play baseball and work in LA.
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
wonder if Zen Buu's gonna hijack Babidi's plan somehow
wouldn't put it beyond him to do it
wouldn't put it beyond him to do it
- TonyTheTiger
- I'm, pretty, cozy, here...
- Posts: 1558
- Joined: Fri May 07, 2010 1:35 pm
- Location: New Jersey
- Contact:
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
Any similarities seem pretty coincidental, mostly because both are drawing from the same source material and throwing a barrage of energy blasts every which way is a pretty Broly thing to do. If anything, I'd bet the Hunger Games is a bigger influence on Super's current arc.testing223 wrote:After watching Kale in DBSuper 100, I'm even more convinced that the Toei writers are getting ideas from DB Multiverse. Right down to the random Broly energy blasts being tossed around the arena at the other competitors.
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
Wouldn't be the first time DBS was inspired by fanworks. Look at Goku BlackTonyTheTiger wrote:Any similarities seem pretty coincidental, mostly because both are drawing from the same source material and throwing a barrage of energy blasts every which way is a pretty Broly thing to do. If anything, I'd bet the Hunger Games is a bigger influence on Super's current arc.testing223 wrote:After watching Kale in DBSuper 100, I'm even more convinced that the Toei writers are getting ideas from DB Multiverse. Right down to the random Broly energy blasts being tossed around the arena at the other competitors.
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
That's hardly a good comparison considering Turles was a thing.
- MisteryOne
- OMG CRAZY REGEN
- Posts: 876
- Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:27 am
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
Turles is not even remotely close to Black and Zamasu as they are to Zaiko and her Kaioshin mother from Toyble's AF trough.Daisetsu wrote:That's hardly a good comparison considering Turles was a thing.
English is not my first language. Please excuse my gramatical mistakes.
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
Personality wise, no but concept wise he fits the Evil Goku role Tullece filled to a T. You're 100% right that they're more like Zaiko and Kaiomom from AF, though.MisteryOne wrote:Turles is not even remotely close to Black and Zamasu as they are to Zaiko and her Kaioshin mother from Toyble's AF trough.Daisetsu wrote:That's hardly a good comparison considering Turles was a thing.
- Fionordequester
- I Live Here
- Posts: 2877
- Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:33 pm
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
Didn't Toyotaro used to be a fanfic writer by the name of Toyble? If so, he HIMSELF was the writer of Zaiko and Evil!East Supreme Kai. Considering how closely Toriyama and Toyotaro work now, that may be why there seems to be so many parallels.MisteryOne wrote: Turles is not even remotely close to Black and Zamasu as they are to Zaiko and her Kaioshin mother from Toyble's AF trough.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
- Hellspawn28
- Patreon Supporter
- Posts: 15224
- Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:50 pm
- Location: Maryland, USA
Re: Fanmanga - DB Multiverse
I feel like Xicor and Black have nothing in common with each other expect for they are link with a evil Kaioshin. Even the West Kaioshin has different goals in mind than Zamasu. West Kaioshin in Toyable's AF wanted to create the most powerful warrior in the Universe after Goku defeated Freeza while Zamasu and Black want to wipe out mortals.
She/Her
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27
LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/
PS5 username: Guyver_Spawn_27
LB Profile: https://letterboxd.com/Hellspawn28/