"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

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That's a good shot, I hope to see Vegeta as a SSJ God as well.

[TheOne]

About the mortal stronger than a Hakaishin, I think he isn't Jiren because, as a reddit user pointed out, Beerus was surprised U11 had someone like Toppo. It also seems like Beerus already knew of the strongest mortal, because he didn't react at all when Whis mentioned him.
It really seems like that mortal was mentioned because he will appear in the future, he will probably be an antagonist/rival after the ToP.

The sad part is a lot of people (myself included) noticed this stuff and were attacked with responses why it has to be Jiren. One thing that a lot of people in this fan base don't know how to do is LOOK AHEAD. It was very clear that this was a foreshadowing of a future antagonist, but everyone's logic was "why would they do that when we know Jiren is going to be the antagonist this arc? It's clearly Jiren.." umm, maybe because Goku needs a rival this arc? if Jiren was the mortal they were referring to, Whis would've told them there's absolutely no chance of winning this tournament. They couldn't beat Beerus, so why would they be able to beat someone who is stronger than him? With the power of friendship and teamwork?

[Ki Breaker]

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That's a good shot, I hope to see Vegeta as a SSJ God as well.

Those legs dude, those legs are gonna be the best part

[Shinda Forever]

That appeires to happen post Goku jumping in and going SSG but we'll see. Until proven otherwise however we have to go by the info given.

And what is the info given? In the preview for the next episode, it says that another universe 11 warrior joins Dyspo in fighting Hitto.

Ok your words confuse me? You know ere that info comes from, its from the episode preview we go this week. The sources say "Dyspo States he can counter the Time-Skip" and "Dyspo blocks hits movements with Bullets of Light and one sidedly pummels him"

No mention of Dyspo and team mate tie up Hit or Hit beaten by tag team. That combined with the fact that the other pride trooper is only present in shots with SSG Goku points to him showing up to give Dyspo back up.

Sorry but until the episode proves otherwise, Dyspo < Hit.

What i meant is that spoilers were proven wrong before, looking at the preview, it clearly says Dyspo and Kunshee team up against Hitto, furthermore, since we know Hitto will be immobilized by those threads makes it look like the light bullets are bs.

[emperior]

About the mortal stronger than a Hakaishin, I think he isn't Jiren because, as a reddit user pointed out, Beerus was surprised U11 had someone like Toppo. It also seems like Beerus already knew of the strongest mortal, because he didn't react at all when Whis mentioned him.
It really seems like that mortal was mentioned because he will appear in the future, he will probably be an antagonist/rival after the ToP.

The sad part is a lot of people (myself included) noticed this stuff and were attacked with responses why it has to be Jiren. One thing that a lot of people in this fan base don't know how to do is LOOK AHEAD. It was very clear that this was a foreshadowing of a future antagonist, but everyone's logic was "why would they do that when we know Jiren is going to be the antagonist this arc? It's clearly Jiren.." umm, maybe because Goku needs a rival this arc? if Jiren was the mortal they were referring to, Whis would've told them there's absolutely no chance of winning this tournament. They couldn't beat Beerus, so why would they be able to beat someone who is stronger than him? With the power of friendship and teamwork?

I also thought it was Jiren at the time, but now I'm like 99% sure it won't be him. I was just delusional because I really wanted to see Goku surpassing Beerus this arc, but, thinking about it, you're totally right. The strongest mortal can't be Jiren or else Beerus and Whis would have told Goku and co. that they're all doomed. Beerus is still treated as a big deal and I wonder how Toriyama intends Goku to surpass him. Last time he was asked it was around the end of the U6 arc, when Toriyama had already probably written the FT arc and he was probably starting to plan the ToP, or had at least a vague idea of what he had to do next. And he said he still had no intention of making Goku and Vegeta stronger than Beerus.

[Lord Frieza]

And what is the info given? In the preview for the next episode, it says that another universe 11 warrior joins Dyspo in fighting Hitto.

Ok your words confuse me? You know ere that info comes from, its from the episode preview we go this week. The sources say "Dyspo States he can counter the Time-Skip" and "Dyspo blocks hits movements with Bullets of Light and one sidedly pummels him"

No mention of Dyspo and team mate tie up Hit or Hit beaten by tag team. That combined with the fact that the other pride trooper is only present in shots with SSG Goku points to him showing up to give Dyspo back up.

Sorry but until the episode proves otherwise, Dyspo < Hit.

What i meant is that spoilers were proven wrong before, looking at the preview, it clearly says Dyspo and Kunshee team up against Hitto, furthermore, since we know Hitto will be immobilized by those threads makes it look like the light bullets are bs.

That means nothing. What you describe is what you "believe" will happen, what you believe or want to happen is not fact.

So until the show categorically show us that Dyspo needed someone else to beat Hit, what your saying is pure speculation. This is by no means me saying "your wrong" or "never" but until its shown it stays Dyspo speed blitzes Hit.

And befor this goes on, you talking to the guy who would not consider Jimizu a Yadrate until the show stated he was one. Not out of disbelief but because I want cold, hard facts the proved it to be the case.

[RedHeat]

About the mortal stronger than a Hakaishin, I think he isn't Jiren because, as a reddit user pointed out, Beerus was surprised U11 had someone like Toppo. It also seems like Beerus already knew of the strongest mortal, because he didn't react at all when Whis mentioned him.
It really seems like that mortal was mentioned because he will appear in the future, he will probably be an antagonist/rival after the ToP.

The sad part is a lot of people (myself included) noticed this stuff and were attacked with responses why it has to be Jiren. One thing that a lot of people in this fan base don't know how to do is LOOK AHEAD. It was very clear that this was a foreshadowing of a future antagonist, but everyone's logic was "why would they do that when we know Jiren is going to be the antagonist this arc? It's clearly Jiren.." umm, maybe because Goku needs a rival this arc? if Jiren was the mortal they were referring to, Whis would've told them there's absolutely no chance of winning this tournament. They couldn't beat Beerus, so why would they be able to beat someone who is stronger than him? With the power of friendship and teamwork?

Toppo said if Goku was equal to him then he'd have no chance against Jiren. Everything lines up.

[Totamo]

Nah, but its pretty apparent that Super's schedule just can't handle this style of an arc and people wanted more backgrounds, more episodes devoted the characters and backstories. I can't imagine the amount of murder it would have done to this to this team.

They shouldn't have used so many characters. They could've done so much more if each universe just had 3-4 fighters.

Its the dragon ball way, bigger and bigger.

I got to give them points for ambition.

[Shinda Forever]

I just think Jirasen should be the last man standing from Universe 10 against Gohan. Opni's design isn't very good, Jirasen is better.

[namekiansaiyan]

Nah, but its pretty apparent that Super's schedule just can't handle this style of an arc and people wanted more backgrounds, more episodes devoted the characters and backstories. I can't imagine the amount of murder it would have done to this to this team.

They shouldn't have used so many characters. They could've done so much more if each universe just had 3-4 fighters.

Its the dragon ball way, bigger and bigger.

I got to give them points for ambition.

Bigger stage and more episodes the bigger amount of characters. The quality should not drop.

[Totamo]

They shouldn't have used so many characters. They could've done so much more if each universe just had 3-4 fighters.

Its the dragon ball way, bigger and bigger.

I got to give them points for ambition.

Bigger stage and more episodes the bigger amount of characters. The quality should not drop.

animating all that every episode, plus having to save the best ones for the big fights. I figured as much would happen.

Super already had bad production as it was.

[TheOne]

About the mortal stronger than a Hakaishin, I think he isn't Jiren because, as a reddit user pointed out, Beerus was surprised U11 had someone like Toppo. It also seems like Beerus already knew of the strongest mortal, because he didn't react at all when Whis mentioned him.
It really seems like that mortal was mentioned because he will appear in the future, he will probably be an antagonist/rival after the ToP.

The sad part is a lot of people (myself included) noticed this stuff and were attacked with responses why it has to be Jiren. One thing that a lot of people in this fan base don't know how to do is LOOK AHEAD. It was very clear that this was a foreshadowing of a future antagonist, but everyone's logic was "why would they do that when we know Jiren is going to be the antagonist this arc? It's clearly Jiren.." umm, maybe because Goku needs a rival this arc? if Jiren was the mortal they were referring to, Whis would've told them there's absolutely no chance of winning this tournament. They couldn't beat Beerus, so why would they be able to beat someone who is stronger than him? With the power of friendship and teamwork?

I also thought it was Jiren at the time, but now I'm like 99% sure it won't be him. I was just delusional because I really wanted to see Goku surpassing Beerus this arc, but, thinking about it, you're totally right. The strongest mortal can't be Jiren or else Beerus and Whis would have told Goku and co. that they're all doomed. Beerus is still treated as a big deal and I wonder how Toriyama intends Goku to surpass him. Last time he was asked it was around the end of the U6 arc, when Toriyama had already probably written the FT arc and he was probably starting to plan the ToP, or had at least a vague idea of what he had to do next. And he said he still had no intention of making Goku and Vegeta stronger than Beerus.

I doubt you were one of the ones who were harassing people about it though. Everyone can have their own opinion. Especially since everything is so vague at times.

[TheOne]

About the mortal stronger than a Hakaishin, I think he isn't Jiren because, as a reddit user pointed out, Beerus was surprised U11 had someone like Toppo. It also seems like Beerus already knew of the strongest mortal, because he didn't react at all when Whis mentioned him.
It really seems like that mortal was mentioned because he will appear in the future, he will probably be an antagonist/rival after the ToP.

The sad part is a lot of people (myself included) noticed this stuff and were attacked with responses why it has to be Jiren. One thing that a lot of people in this fan base don't know how to do is LOOK AHEAD. It was very clear that this was a foreshadowing of a future antagonist, but everyone's logic was "why would they do that when we know Jiren is going to be the antagonist this arc? It's clearly Jiren.." umm, maybe because Goku needs a rival this arc? if Jiren was the mortal they were referring to, Whis would've told them there's absolutely no chance of winning this tournament. They couldn't beat Beerus, so why would they be able to beat someone who is stronger than him? With the power of friendship and teamwork?

Toppo said if Goku was equal to him then he'd have no chance against Jiren. Everything lines up.

No it doesn't. That does not mean the mortal that's stronger than Beerus is Jiren. Jiren is this arcs antagonist. He needs to be hyped up to be strong. Being stronger than Toppo and being stronger than beerus are two completely things.

[emperior]

The sad part is a lot of people (myself included) noticed this stuff and were attacked with responses why it has to be Jiren. One thing that a lot of people in this fan base don't know how to do is LOOK AHEAD. It was very clear that this was a foreshadowing of a future antagonist, but everyone's logic was "why would they do that when we know Jiren is going to be the antagonist this arc? It's clearly Jiren.." umm, maybe because Goku needs a rival this arc? if Jiren was the mortal they were referring to, Whis would've told them there's absolutely no chance of winning this tournament. They couldn't beat Beerus, so why would they be able to beat someone who is stronger than him? With the power of friendship and teamwork?

I also thought it was Jiren at the time, but now I'm like 99% sure it won't be him. I was just delusional because I really wanted to see Goku surpassing Beerus this arc, but, thinking about it, you're totally right. The strongest mortal can't be Jiren or else Beerus and Whis would have told Goku and co. that they're all doomed. Beerus is still treated as a big deal and I wonder how Toriyama intends Goku to surpass him. Last time he was asked it was around the end of the U6 arc, when Toriyama had already probably written the FT arc and he was probably starting to plan the ToP, or had at least a vague idea of what he had to do next. And he said he still had no intention of making Goku and Vegeta stronger than Beerus.

I doubt you were one of the ones who were harassing people about it though. Everyone can have their own opinion. Especially since everything is so vague at times.

Yeah I definitely wasn't harassing people, and I also had some doubt about Jiren being the strongest mortal, and that's because I hoped to see that mortal so much that I wanted him to be in the ToP.
Though thinking about it it's better that it's mostly likely not Jiren, because I don't really like his design and personality at the moment, and it also means Super will go on for longer.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Goku asked whether or not U7 could win the tournament of power easily. Then Whis says "who knows but there's a mortal in another universe whom a god of destruction can't beat and the god of that universe is stronger than beerus".

Beerus not being shocked means nothing. That's likely an over analysis. Nobody was shocked, at least it didn't show on anyone's face.

So the strongest mortal would be someone in the tournament of power, not some random guy that's going to be introduced later. The strongest mortal is likely jiren.

[perucho1990]

I just think Jirasen should be the last man standing from Universe 10 against Gohan. Opni's design isn't very good, Jirasen is better.

Nah, Jirasen reminded me of alien Caroni(Mr Satan Disciple).

Obuni for some reason was giving off Ledgic vibes, and that was good, if they bring back the defeated Universes, I would want for him to shake hands with Gohan, could be a cool moment.

[fadeddreams5]

About the mortal stronger than a Hakaishin, I think he isn't Jiren because, as a reddit user pointed out, Beerus was surprised U11 had someone like Toppo. It also seems like Beerus already knew of the strongest mortal, because he didn't react at all when Whis mentioned him.
It really seems like that mortal was mentioned because he will appear in the future, he will probably be an antagonist/rival after the ToP.

The sad part is a lot of people (myself included) noticed this stuff and were attacked with responses why it has to be Jiren. One thing that a lot of people in this fan base don't know how to do is LOOK AHEAD. It was very clear that this was a foreshadowing of a future antagonist, but everyone's logic was "why would they do that when we know Jiren is going to be the antagonist this arc? It's clearly Jiren.." umm, maybe because Goku needs a rival this arc? if Jiren was the mortal they were referring to, Whis would've told them there's absolutely no chance of winning this tournament. They couldn't beat Beerus, so why would they be able to beat someone who is stronger than him? With the power of friendship and teamwork?

It's Jiren. I'll bet my account that it's Jiren.

[Jigurashi]

Goku asked whether or not U7 could win the tournament of power easily. Then Whis says "who knows but there's a mortal in another universe whom a god of destruction can't beat and the god of that universe is stronger than beerus".

Beerus not being shocked means nothing. That's likely an over analysis. Nobody was shocked, at least it didn't show on anyone's face.

So the strongest mortal would be someone in the tournament of power, not some random guy that's going to be introduced later. The strongest mortal is likely jiren.

True but Beerus and Whis are aware of every Universe competing in the tournament and who are the GoDs of the competing universes, meaning there's no reason for Whis to be unnecessarily vague about it when hey could have just told them.

[Doctor.]

About the mortal stronger than a Hakaishin, I think he isn't Jiren because, as a reddit user pointed out, Beerus was surprised U11 had someone like Toppo. It also seems like Beerus already knew of the strongest mortal, because he didn't react at all when Whis mentioned him.
It really seems like that mortal was mentioned because he will appear in the future, he will probably be an antagonist/rival after the ToP.

The sad part is a lot of people (myself included) noticed this stuff and were attacked with responses why it has to be Jiren. One thing that a lot of people in this fan base don't know how to do is LOOK AHEAD. It was very clear that this was a foreshadowing of a future antagonist, but everyone's logic was "why would they do that when we know Jiren is going to be the antagonist this arc? It's clearly Jiren.." umm, maybe because Goku needs a rival this arc? if Jiren was the mortal they were referring to, Whis would've told them there's absolutely no chance of winning this tournament. They couldn't beat Beerus, so why would they be able to beat someone who is stronger than him? With the power of friendship and teamwork?

It's Jiren. I'll bet my account that it's Jiren.

I bet my account that it's one of those throwaway lines that will never be mentioned ever again, just like Whis' line 60 episodes ago about all the Gods of Destruction being much more evil and ruthless than Beerus or the line about the Namekian Book of Legends.

[Ki Breaker]

About the mortal stronger than a Hakaishin, I think he isn't Jiren because, as a reddit user pointed out, Beerus was surprised U11 had someone like Toppo. It also seems like Beerus already knew of the strongest mortal, because he didn't react at all when Whis mentioned him.
It really seems like that mortal was mentioned because he will appear in the future, he will probably be an antagonist/rival after the ToP.

The sad part is a lot of people (myself included) noticed this stuff and were attacked with responses why it has to be Jiren. One thing that a lot of people in this fan base don't know how to do is LOOK AHEAD. It was very clear that this was a foreshadowing of a future antagonist, but everyone's logic was "why would they do that when we know Jiren is going to be the antagonist this arc? It's clearly Jiren.." umm, maybe because Goku needs a rival this arc? if Jiren was the mortal they were referring to, Whis would've told them there's absolutely no chance of winning this tournament. They couldn't beat Beerus, so why would they be able to beat someone who is stronger than him? With the power of friendship and teamwork?

It's Jiren. I'll bet my account that it's Jiren.

That's a really bold bet you are making there.. it's borderline unnecessary to go that far I would say..

But yeah, I am of the same opinion, it's Jiren alright.. With all the merchandising and all the work they out in to making the character known, it would be a waste to not have him be the man..