"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

I was ONLY talking about Goku's SSB Kaioken.

Pardon, but I wasn't.

[TheOtherDude]

So toppo will drop both freeza and 17 at the same time, while vegeta ignores toppo to fight jiren? Or will toppo get eliminated half way in episode 126, and then vegeta will charge at jiren!

It comes across as Vegeta changes his focus from Toppo back to Jiren. The spoilers have been wrong before so we will see.

[Ultimately I think it’ll come down to 4 God of Destruction level fighters going at it.

You mean 3. Goku, Jiren and Toppo. It will come down to those 3 after Vegeta does his job.

Whatever you say man. I’ve seen your posts and you’re notorious for talking down about Vegeta. It’s clear everyone takes your statements with a grain of salt since there’s no quality in the statements you make.

[Nickolaidas]

Super is ending. There's no payoff anyway. I dont see anything wrong of him going down, especially when he was almost eliminated by Dyspo no less.

But ... but ... but the clouded dark look! Y'know ...?

THE LOOK!?!:?

[Michsi]

And my point is that execution and tone wasn't that good in Z, otherwise you wouldn't have fans who outright forget plot-points in Z, but can remember almost every action scene. And I would take Champa and Resurrection 'F' over the Saiyan and Cell Saga. What is your point here?

Well, I suppose this explains everything. We are way too different in taste if that's how you genuinely feel.
I guess it all comes down to where the majority's preference falls. The only thing I feel Super is clearly superior on is storyboarding, and it's absolute top best fights, of which it has three as far as I'm concerned.

No it isn't. Super using the entire broad antagonist usage. You have Beerus who is closer to a chaotic-neutral who isn't even, but his nature puts him against the heroes. Champa is the same except he's more of a loose cannon. Hit is completely neutral who is only against the heroes because of a tournament who become friendly, but is still neutral. We have Zamasu who thinks he's doing good, but he's really an evil asshole. We have Zen'o who is pure-hearted and innocent, but his innocences allow him do some very mess up things, but he's still classified as a force of good for the most part. We have the Pride Trooper who are heroes in their universe, but are against U7 because of the situation. Then we had U6 in this arc that switched between being allies with U7 and antagonists. Super didn't play the same troper over and over again as you're implying. Zamasu is well remember because he was a good villain and the only one that really fit into the common villain trope used in Dragon Ball.

King Piccolo, Radditz, Vegeta, the Ginyu Force, Freeza, the androids, Cell, Buu - they're not identical either.

And? Devil in the details. Beerus wanted a proper battle since he hasn't had one in a long time. Cell just wanted to show off his perfect body.

So, boredom. Still don't see how his motive is more intriguing or deeper than Cell's.....

I remembered, never felt tension in those scenes. For me to feel tension, I have to believed that the character can a) lose b) even if they win, the loses are heavy and can't be reverse. Nothing in Dragon Ball and Z stuck. No one died forever outside of Nail, Gura, and 16, so why should I pretend those scene had any real stakes? Compared that the Future Trunks Saga where everyone who died actually stayed dead and later got erased from existence. People talked about the 'false tension in Resurrection 'F'' with no irony that false tension was all Z had going for it.

Because I for one didn't know if they would or wouldn't be brought back. 16 wasn't. No one had ever perished the way 17 and 18 had. And either way, I wasn't thinking 'Oh, they can be revived' when those scenes appeared, because that's how immersed I was in that moment. I can only imagine someone seeing the tension in Z as false if they go in already knowing stuff about it.

[BlueBasilisk]

All I want is for Toppo to wombo combo Frieza out of the ring. C'mon, Lorax, give me this one thing.

Super is ending. There's no payoff anyway. I dont see anything wrong of him going down, especially when he was almost eliminated by Dyspo no less.

But ... but ... but the clouded dark look! Y'know ...?

THE LOOK!?!:?

Hey, if Frieza can survive to the end of the show without dying again, I'd count that as a victory for him. Ohohoho.

[Lapislettuce]

So toppo will drop both freeza and 17 at the same time, while vegeta ignores toppo to fight jiren? Or will toppo get eliminated half way in episode 126, and then vegeta will charge at jiren!

127 sounds like 17 is still in so no 17 won't go out on ep 126

[Lapislettuce]

Seems like this time, vegeta will get eliminated. I dont see what se he can achieve after surpassing a god of destruction.

17 outlasting the Prince of all Saiyans? Man, I'm starting to dig the theory that there's someone on Toei staff that's a huge 17 fanboy

Orrr maybe because 17 made a huge comeback after being absent for 20 years and they want to use him as much as possible. there's nothing wrong with since A he's been pretty enjoyable to watch and B if Vegeta does something big before getting eliminated then what's the fuss ? Goku, 17 and Frieza as last 3 would be the best idea out of dbs and the most interesting one yet.

[Nickolaidas]

All I want is for Toppo to wombo combo Frieza out of the ring. C'mon, Lorax, give me this one thing.

Super is ending. There's no payoff anyway. I dont see anything wrong of him going down, especially when he was almost eliminated by Dyspo no less.

But ... but ... but the clouded dark look! Y'know ...?

THE LOOK!?!:?

Hey, if Frieza can survive to the end of the show without dying again, I'd count that as a victory for him. Ohohoho.

You know what? I think you're right. And anyway, it's not like he can't train for like, a week or something and surpass every f&*ker in that arena.

[HeroR]

And my point is that execution and tone wasn't that good in Z, otherwise you wouldn't have fans who outright forget plot-points in Z, but can remember almost every action scene. And I would take Champa and Resurrection 'F' over the Saiyan and Cell Saga. What is your point here?

Well, I suppose this explains everything. We are way too different in taste if that's how you genuinely feel.
I guess it all comes down to where the majority's preference falls. The only thing I feel Super is clearly superior on is storyboarding, and it's absolute top best fights, of which it has three as far as I'm concerned.

No it isn't. Super using the entire broad antagonist usage. You have Beerus who is closer to a chaotic-neutral who isn't even, but his nature puts him against the heroes. Champa is the same except he's more of a loose cannon. Hit is completely neutral who is only against the heroes because of a tournament who become friendly, but is still neutral. We have Zamasu who thinks he's doing good, but he's really an evil asshole. We have Zen'o who is pure-hearted and innocent, but his innocences allow him do some very mess up things, but he's still classified as a force of good for the most part. We have the Pride Trooper who are heroes in their universe, but are against U7 because of the situation. Then we had U6 in this arc that switched between being allies with U7 and antagonists. Super didn't play the same troper over and over again as you're implying. Zamasu is well remember because he was a good villain and the only one that really fit into the common villain trope used in Dragon Ball.

King Piccolo, Radditz, Vegeta, the Ginyu Force, Freeza, the androids, Cell, Buu - they're not identical either.

And? Devil in the details. Beerus wanted a proper battle since he hasn't had one in a long time. Cell just wanted to show off his perfect body.

So, boredom. Still don't see how his motif is more intriguing or deeper than Cell's.....

I remembered, never felt tension in those scenes. For me to feel tension, I have to believed that the character can a) lose b) even if they win, the loses are heavy and can't be reverse. Nothing in Dragon Ball and Z stuck. No one died forever outside of Nail, Gura, and 16, so why should I pretend those scene had any real stakes? Compared that the Future Trunks Saga where everyone who died actually stayed dead and later got erased from existence. People talked about the 'false tension in Resurrection 'F'' with no irony that false tension was all Z had going for it.

Because I for one didn't know if they would or wouldn't be brought back. 16 wasn't. No one had ever perished the way 17 and 18 had. And either way, I wasn't thinking 'Oh, they can be revived' when those scenes appeared, because that's how immersed I was in that moment. I can only imagine someone seeing the tension in Z as false if they go in already knowing stuff about it.

I have little tolerates for a story that is depended on characters all acting stupid. What makes me like the Buu Saga that it never took itself too seriously, unlike Cell Saga that was all serious, and everyone being dumbasses. Saiyan Saga was mostly boring after the Saiyans arrived and I find the build up for the Saiyans much better than the payoff. That and Goku being late was contrived and the start of the 'wait for Goku' trope that got overused. Another point against Z that the cast couldn't function without the MC outside of Namek. That is why you have people wishing Goku would die or go away in Super so 'characters can get shine' when every other anime in the planet have secondary characters who function and thrives under their MC. Super took big steps in the Future Trunks Saga and this one to fixed this.

They all fall into, 'evil for evil sakes', but with different motives. King Piccolo and Buu are both 'pure evil' types and Freeza was born evil because of his mutant gene. The Ginyu Force and the androids were the best example of diversity, and they weren't even the main villains or focused. Beerus is more interesting that Cell in terms of motive because Beerus already comes in with a humble POV, over Cell who shared the same ego problem as every villain in Z.

I did, because it's Dragon Ball. The moment everyone came back in the King Piccolo Saga, I never doubted that any death was for keeps. And it was false for me even when I didn't know what was going to happened. The only real shocked for me was Krillin exploding on Namek. Super did the real shocked when they kept everyone dead in the Future Trunks Saga, after I went in thinking that at the very least Future Bulma would someone be revived. But nope, she stood dead, and got erased.

[sintzu]

Are you truly a Vegeta fan?

And that coming from a Vegeta fan? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Trust me I fully support and think Vegeta can win if it's up to him, I just can't help but think he'll upset Zeno somehow once he's done and get everyone erased anyway.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Vegeta should just stick to toppo if he wants to win. We know that vegeta wont beat jiren, so let him fight someone he can possibly beat.

[Michsi]

I did, because it's Dragon Ball. The moment everyone came back in the King Piccolo Saga, I never doubted that any death was for keeps. And it was false for me even when I didn't know what was going to happened. The only real shocked for me was Krillin exploding on Namek. Super did the real shocked when they kept everyone dead in the Future Trunks Saga, after I went in thinking that at the very least Future Bulma would someone be revived. But nope, she stood dead, and got erased.

This is the perfect example for the point I'm trying to make as far as I'm concerned. I just went back to watch that scene to make sure I'm not misremembering it. That big event, the erasure of Trunks' world, treated with all the emotional weight of forgetting your wallet at home. Z is guilty of that too to some degree, but not like this. And that's not even counting the horrendous animation quality. Z has more than it's share of horribly animated scenes, but at least it treated most of it's big moments with the care it deserved. Vegeta's death in the Buu arc was far from the finale, but damn did they go all out.

[emperior]

The episode preview summaries seem to imply that Freeza may the dust (which would be a gigantic waste of his epic return), but I'm not going to jump the gun on that scenerio. However, Vegeta going up against Jiren and Toppo seems like suicide.

Freeza most likely won't get the wish with the Super DBs, unless Super ends with a cliffhanger or Freeza's plan to manipulate the Gods is to first revive all the universes.
At this point, with Super ending, it's quite obvious that the wish will restore some if not all the erased universes. Freeza may be revived by Goku later, so that he could still come back as a threat in a future show. I hope he won't go to waste considering he has said multiple times he wants to manipulate the Gods and even wants to rule above Zeno.

As for the spoilers, I don't think Toppo will ring out both Freeza and 17 because we know that 17 may still be on the ring in 127 because of the episode's title. Freeza hasn't gotten his moment yet so I don't think he will be eliminated before 17, who has gotten already quite a few spotlight moments.

[IndieBooToo]

I said eliminated, not dead mate. U7 could still be winner somehow.

If U7 is in Vegeta's hands then it was nice knowing them.

Are you truly a Vegeta fan?

The episode preview summaries seem to imply that Freeza may the dust (which would be a gigantic waste of his epic return),

Super is ending. There's no payoff anyway. I dont see anything wrong of him going down, especially when he was almost eliminated by Dyspo no less.

SSB Kaioken is no tactic lol

Don't be silly, I'm not talking about techniques, but tactics, like the way Goku almost managed to ring out Jiren using the Kienzan, the way he defeated Kefla and his strategy against Dyspo in their first encounter.

I was ONLY talking about Goku's SSB Kaioken.

You sound more like a Vegeta fanboy than a Frieza fanboy lol

[HeroR]

This is the perfect example for the point I'm trying to make as far as I'm concerned. I just went back to watch that scene to make sure I'm not misremembering it. That big event, the erasure of Trunks' world, treated with all the emotional weight of forgetting your wallet at home. Z is guilty of that too to some degree, but not like this. And that's not even counting the horrendous animation quality. Z has more than it's share of horribly animated scenes, but at least it treated most of it's big moments with the care it deserved. Vegeta's death in the Buu arc was far from the finale, but damn did they go all out.

Can't agree since Trunks and Mai were effected by the lost. And Super's animation was questionable early on, but got better as the series went on to the point that Super has several episodes and scenes that are objectify speaking, superior to anything done in Z. And there are moments in Super that I would put on par with Vegeta's final moments, although Z does have more 'emotional' scenes than Super. But I can never looked at Vegeta's sacrificed as emotional since the dumbass brought it all on himself, so it was a big good-ridden when I first saw it.

[Draconic]

Vegeta life-threatning attack? He's gonna blow himself up again. With all the references to past arcs, I can see it happening.

[Professor Freeza]

If U7 is in Vegeta's hands then it was nice knowing them.

Are you truly a Vegeta fan?

The episode preview summaries seem to imply that Freeza may the dust (which would be a gigantic waste of his epic return),

Super is ending. There's no payoff anyway. I dont see anything wrong of him going down, especially when he was almost eliminated by Dyspo no less.

Don't be silly, I'm not talking about techniques, but tactics, like the way Goku almost managed to ring out Jiren using the Kienzan, the way he defeated Kefla and his strategy against Dyspo in their first encounter.

I was ONLY talking about Goku's SSB Kaioken.

You sound more like a Vegeta fanboy than a Frieza fanboy lol

Who said I'm a Freeza fan?

[TheSaiyanGod]

Vegeta should just stick to toppo if he wants to win. We know that vegeta wont beat jiren, so let him fight someone he can possibly beat.

But according to the synopsis, he will actually face the '' God of destruction '' Toppo. Even he and Jiren will attack Vegeta.

What got confused is the part where it is said that Vegeta strikes Jiren using all his power, but this seems to refer to the moment when Toppo and Jiren are attacking Vegeta.
So apparently he's going to face both of them.

Or at some point in the fight he will focus on attacking only one of them

[pacz360]

So anybody have any idea how episode 126 will go down due to the spoilers today? Do anybody think freeza or 17 will be knocked out especially if we take 127 title to account

[IndieBooToo]

Vegeta should just stick to toppo if he wants to win. We know that vegeta wont beat jiren, so let him fight someone he can possibly beat.

But according to the synopsis, he will actually face the '' God of destruction '' Toppo. Even he and Jiren will attack Vegeta.

What got confused is the part where it is said that Vegeta strikes Jiren using all his power, but this seems to refer to the moment when Toppo and Jiren are attacking Vegeta.
So apparently he's going to face both of them.

Or at some point in the fight he will focus on attacking only one of them

He would get destroyed by both of them. One of them would be too much for him. Vegeta fanboys clinging to preview synopsis. I remember when Frieza got mad at Goku for stealing his U2 wins lol.

Are you truly a Vegeta fan?




Super is ending. There's no payoff anyway. I dont see anything wrong of him going down, especially when he was almost eliminated by Dyspo no less.



I was ONLY talking about Goku's SSB Kaioken.

You sound more like a Vegeta fanboy than a Frieza fanboy lol

Who said I'm a Freeza fan?

Gee idk. Your username and avatar? But you reek more of a Vegeta fanboy so forgive me for the confusion.