But if he got that strong why not participate in the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai? Would you say Goku and Vegeta also got stronger than Perfect Cell as common SSJs?Doctor. wrote:10 more years of training + how much of a timeskip between EoZ and GT should at least put him around perfect Cell, if not stronger.
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Why would he enter the tournament? It's not like he can beat Mr. Boo and he probably doesn't have any interest in it to begin with.jeffbr92 wrote:But if he got that strong why not participate in the 28th Tenkaichi Budokai? Would you say Goku and Vegeta also got stronger than Perfect Cell as common SSJs?Doctor. wrote:10 more years of training + how much of a timeskip between EoZ and GT should at least put him around perfect Cell, if not stronger.
Goku and Vegeta should be stronger than perfect Cell by the time the Boo arc rolls around, considering SS Gohan was more-or-less even with Cell and Goku and Vegeta have surpassed him.
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Oh I see, but they would still need SSJ to beat Namek Freeza and SSJ2 to Super Perfect Cell, right?Doctor. wrote:Goku and Vegeta should be stronger than perfect Cell by the time the Boo arc rolls around, considering SS Gohan was more-or-less even with Cell and Goku and Vegeta have surpassed him.
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Going by Battle of Gods (for your first statement), yes. Not sure if Multiverse follows that powerscale though. Pretty sure the base Saiyans here are stronger than Freeza, but I may be mistaken.jeffbr92 wrote:Oh I see, but they would still need SSJ to beat Namek Freeza and SSJ2 to Super Perfect Cell, right?Doctor. wrote:Goku and Vegeta should be stronger than perfect Cell by the time the Boo arc rolls around, considering SS Gohan was more-or-less even with Cell and Goku and Vegeta have surpassed him.
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Goku felt he needed to use SS1 to beat Freeza but he's also supposed to be stronger then Gohan as an SS3 now, a Gohan who's at his Boo arc peak still.Doctor. wrote:Going by Battle of Gods (for your first statement), yes. Not sure if Multiverse follows that powerscale though. Pretty sure the base Saiyans here are stronger than Freeza, but I may be mistaken.jeffbr92 wrote:Oh I see, but they would still need SSJ to beat Namek Freeza and SSJ2 to Super Perfect Cell, right?Doctor. wrote:Goku and Vegeta should be stronger than perfect Cell by the time the Boo arc rolls around, considering SS Gohan was more-or-less even with Cell and Goku and Vegeta have surpassed him.
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Fifth form Freeza isn't supposed to be much stronger than fifth form Coola, who is as strong as he was in the his movie basically. It's unknown how strong the Majin power up made them, but probably not much. As for Cold, it was stated that his 4th form was around android 16's power, so I guess fifth form Cold is around second form Cell. It's also unknown how strong the Majin power up made him, but probably not much stronger. Piccolo is understandably not really struggling with Freeza and Coola but Cold might be a problem for him.jeffbr92 wrote:Don't know how the power scale works in this comic, but aren't Majin Fifth Form Freeza and Coola supposed to be stronger than a SSJ2? The same thing with King Cold who fought Bra? Is Piccolo stronger than that?Doctor. wrote:Why wouldn't he be?
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I think Multiverse functions under the logic that Boo arc SS3 Goku = Ultimate Gohan. Would explain why Goku felt he needed to use SS1, I guess.ekrolo2 wrote:Goku felt he needed to use SS1 to beat Freeza but he's also supposed to be stronger then Gohan as an SS3 now, a Gohan who's at his Boo arc peak still.Doctor. wrote:Going by Battle of Gods (for your first statement), yes. Not sure if Multiverse follows that powerscale though. Pretty sure the base Saiyans here are stronger than Freeza, but I may be mistaken.jeffbr92 wrote:
Oh I see, but they would still need SSJ to beat Namek Freeza and SSJ2 to Super Perfect Cell, right?
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But, Battle of Gods is 3 years before EoZ, right? Couldn't Goku and Vegeta have trained on that period to be stronger than a 100% Namek Freeza in Base?Doctor. wrote:Going by Battle of Gods (for your first statement), yes. Not sure if Multiverse follows that powerscale though. Pretty sure the base Saiyans here are stronger than Freeza, but I may be mistaken.
Why?ekrolo2 wrote:Goku felt he needed to use SS1 to beat Freeza but he's also supposed to be stronger then Gohan as an SS3 now, a Gohan who's at his Boo arc peak still.
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Battle of Gods is 6 years before EoZ. You mean in regards to Multiverse? Sure, Goku was holding his own against Oob during EoZ. He should be stronger than Freeza in base by then.jeffbr92 wrote:But, Battle of Gods is 3 years before EoZ, right? Couldn't Goku and Vegeta have trained on that period to be stronger than a 100% Namek Freeza in Base?Doctor. wrote:Going by Battle of Gods (for your first statement), yes. Not sure if Multiverse follows that powerscale though. Pretty sure the base Saiyans here are stronger than Freeza, but I may be mistaken.
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I don't think it follows that logic. I don't even think they consider SSJ3 Goku stronger than Gohan right now, let alone in the Buu saga.Doctor. wrote: I think Multiverse functions under the logic that Boo arc SS3 Goku = Ultimate Gohan. Would explain why Goku felt he needed to use SS1, I guess.
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Gohan did say he was the weakest one participating in his group. Or was it U16 Gohan? Either way, he's saying that Gotenks is stronger than him so it's not unprecedented that some weaker fighters surpassed him.rereboy wrote:I don't think it follows that logic. I don't even think they consider SSJ3 Goku stronger than Gohan right now, let alone in the Buu saga.Doctor. wrote: I think Multiverse functions under the logic that Boo arc SS3 Goku = Ultimate Gohan. Would explain why Goku felt he needed to use SS1, I guess.
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I meant Battle of Gods the movie, not Super. Is that still right? Ah no I meant in the original mangaDoctor. wrote:Battle of Gods is 6 years before EoZ. You mean in regards to Multiverse? Sure, Goku was holding his own against Oob during EoZ. He should be stronger than Freeza in base by then.
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It's still 5-6 years before EoZ. Pan is 4 by EoZ and Videl was at the start of her pregnancy during BoG.jeffbr92 wrote:I meat Battle of Gods the movie, not Super. Is that still right? Ah no I meant in the original mangaDoctor. wrote:Battle of Gods is 6 years before EoZ. You mean in regards to Multiverse? Sure, Goku was holding his own against Oob during EoZ. He should be stronger than Freeza in base by then.
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The comic did specify that he was lying, by saying "big lie", as you can see here:Doctor. wrote: Gohan did say he was the weakest one participating in his group. Or was it U16 Gohan? Either way, he's saying that Gotenks is stronger than him so it's not unprecedented that some weaker fighters surpassed him.
I seem to recall moments in this comic where it was clear to me that Gohan must be superior to SSJ3 Goku, but I don't recall specifically which ones right now.
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Though I love how badass Gohan is in this page, isn't a bit OOC?rereboy wrote:[spoiler][/spoiler]
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Doesn't make much sense for Multiverse as Goku was afraid to fight Super Boo without fusion first.Doctor. wrote:I think Multiverse functions under the logic that Boo arc SS3 Goku = Ultimate Gohan. Would explain why Goku felt he needed to use SS1, I guess.ekrolo2 wrote:Goku felt he needed to use SS1 to beat Freeza but he's also supposed to be stronger then Gohan as an SS3 now, a Gohan who's at his Boo arc peak still.Doctor. wrote: Going by Battle of Gods (for your first statement), yes. Not sure if Multiverse follows that powerscale though. Pretty sure the base Saiyans here are stronger than Freeza, but I may be mistaken.
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He still managed to blow Boo to pieces from the inside.ekrolo2 wrote:Doesn't make much sense for Multiverse as Goku was afraid to fight Super Boo without fusion first.Doctor. wrote:I think Multiverse functions under the logic that Boo arc SS3 Goku = Ultimate Gohan. Would explain why Goku felt he needed to use SS1, I guess.ekrolo2 wrote: Goku felt he needed to use SS1 to beat Freeza but he's also supposed to be stronger then Gohan as an SS3 now, a Gohan who's at his Boo arc peak still.
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Not really. Gohan is supposed to be smart and in this segment he is not only facing his old fears (old enemies) but also trying to come up with some option beyond just fighting, which is something that Gohan seemed to care about even in the actual series (at least at some points).jeffbr92 wrote:Though I love how badass Gohan is in this page, isn't a bit OOC?rereboy wrote:[spoiler][/spoiler]
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U16 Piccolo need to help his counterpart Also, that 2nd panel remind me of Piccolo vs Freeza (That clash was so awesome, i remember it caused Orange Bricks footage to tear
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The Piccolo's should use fusion dance. Temporary power up and all they have to due is draw piccolo in a fusion vest.