Whis understands that Jiren maximum level can be compared to that of the Hakaishins or perhaps even more powerful. He just accounting Jiren's hypothetical full power, that's all. Suppressed Jiren is not above or equal to the Gods, it's nonsense that people really believe this.Amir wrote:Nothing more? Whis said he perhaps surpassed the STATE of gods of destruction, which puts him above all of them. Belomd said ''that giant ball had me worried, but for Jiren it was a piece of cake'', implying that for him, it was something to worry about, but for Jiren it's nothing. Whis said Jiren is as strong as a god of destruction based on his suppressed power.Legion wrote:People who really believe that suppressed Jiren is > Gods i hope that they are just trolling. Vermoud was worried because that genkidama was really powerful and Jiren seemed in difficulty. Unless you guys believe that Goku Genkidama has some chance to beat an Hakaishin (and this is just lol) suppressed Jiren is not>Gods.
It was already confirmed that Jiren is Hakaishin level by Toei, and in the manga he's above to Belmod in battle power, nothing more.
"A mortal that a God can't defeat" does not mean that he can stomp them. Some people really believe that he can finger flick a God like an Angel
Jiren is stronger than all gods of destruction. There might not be a direct confirmation, but all the evidences suggest he is. It makes more sense to think he is than not. Once Jiren shows his full power, I'm certain it will be confiremd once and for all directly. Either way, it's confirmed he is at the very least top tier GOD level, but of course he can't stomp them.
Also, Jiren>all the Gods is still an headcanon. We don't know anything about Gods tier in the anime (and that in the manga are comparable all each other is really not true). We only know that there is a mortal that a God can't defeat, and this God beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match (in the anime it seems is Belmod and in the manga is Quitela). That's all.