Until you actually prove Whis is only talking about the Gods of Destruction, you don’t have a point. Including SSG is a logical assumption, since he literally says god level.kn83 wrote:Whenever characters generally say "the level of the gods" in the series, they are always talking about the Gods of Destruction unless explicitly stated otherwise. Plus, the fact that Whis was comparing Beerus' castle with a tree makes it obvious that Whis was talking about the Gods of Destruction's power (especially Beerus) compared to Goku and Vegeta's. Its a massive stretch to assume he was talking about SSG because he never actually brings up the form in that scene.Hugo Boss wrote:I don’t understand how gods in this context means just Gods of Destruction, since we had an entire arc before called “battle of gods”.. Not to mention the several instances that Goku was called a god when he used that power. Also, when Goku fought Jiren, Whis had no qualms on comparing Jiren to a God of Destruction, so if he was really talking about just Gods of Destructions back then he would be specific. What you are claiming about us is quite a strecth, none here has interest in projecting false meaning in anything, this is very dishonest on your part. If you want to stick around here, respect what the others have to say. Or at least don’t bring translations here that don’t belong to legal sources. Despite not being exactly against the rules on your case, Kanzenshuu disapproves any streaming service that is run illegaly. The translation of what Krillin says in Crunchyroll has nothing to do with strength, but with his feeling. For context, Gohan says they have tremendous energy, which doesn’t tell much, and Krillin comments: “Unlike with Beerus, I sense a real indiscribable fear right now”.kn83 wrote:Whis in that scene was comparing Goku and Vegeta's powers in general to that of the Gods of Destruction, that's what Whis mean't by the "realm of the gods". He was not comparing their base powers to the SSG form, that just sounds like a desperate attempt to deny the fact that base Goku and Vegeta >>>>> BoG SSG Goku since RoF by projecting false meanings into the dialogue of that scene.
Also, Krillin literally just said that Goku was stronger than before when he was fighting Freeza in base in the scene. There is no way you can deny it at this point.
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And there was no translation error in the scene with Krillin. Everyone was able to sense Goku's power during his fight with Beerus after absorbing the form. So Krillin has no reason to be wrong. When characters say in this series "that guy feels stronger" they are being literal because they can sense their power levels. To argue otherwise is just an attempt to ignore stated facts.
Plus, there are way too many feats and statements that prove that Goku and Vegeta's bases since RoF are much stronger than BoG SSG Goku. Like base Copy-Vegeta knocking out SSJ3 Gotenks in one casual punch for example. That couldn't have been possible if Goku and Vegeta's bases didn't reach BoG SSG level.
Again, this Krillin’s line was clarified countless times, he doesn’t say anything about strength. I don’t even know from where you pulled that image. Can you please inform us?
Copy-Vegeta stomping SS3 Gotenks means nothing, since there are several characters in Boo Arc that can do the same thing and they all are weaker than SSG. For example, Gohan, Boo and Vegetto.