Umm... no.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:In the interview with the producers didn't they say when they were planning the special that Toriyama gave them the idea for UI?Meshack wrote:Wait, where was it said that Ultra Instinct wasn’t part of the original plans?Baggie_Saiyan wrote: Hoenstly drives me up the wall. I think people just see how well DB does in the money department and just automatically think that the merchandising people run the franchise all of a sudden. Goku's big new form wasn't even part of the original plans for the arc and it wasn't even part of the main U.S arc marketing/merch promotion instead was SSGSS for the 4th arc in a row too. Hell Goku's form was kept quiet until the final month of DBS while everyone fell for "Omen".
The handling of Goku's new form should rubbish any idea that people have that DBS was somesort of "toy commercial". The merch was nothing more than the by product of the series not the otherway around.
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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Hoenstly drives me up the wall. I think people just see how well DB does in the money department and just automatically think that the merchandising people run the franchise all of a sudden. Goku's big new form wasn't even part of the original plans for the arc and it wasn't even part of the main U.S arc marketing/merch promotion instead was SSGSS for the 4th arc in a row too. Hell Goku's form was kept quiet until the final month of DBS while everyone fell for "Omen".Meshack wrote:I hate that as wellmajinwarman wrote: I'm glad someone finally understands that Super isn't just a toy commercial.
The handling of Goku's new form should rubbish any idea that people have that DBS was somesort of "toy commercial". The merch was nothing more than the by product of the series not the otherway around.
But it was, Omen wasn't part of it, but UI was of Toriyamas original script.
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You know the sad thing is that you're right, I wish Toriyama had more creativity nowadays.FortuneSSJ wrote:I actually think its hilarious that in videogames we are exploring the Dark Realm and Time Patrol stuff, while in the main show with Toriyama's help, we're stuck with bringing Freeza back and having Tournaments.
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I believe Ultra Instinct was Toriyama's idea, although how long he was planning to implement it seems iffy. Ultra Instinct Omen, however, was TOEI's idea. Many of the anime's best ideas were from TOEI's staff, although I could have done without Super Saiyan Rage.
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And it never was......majinwarman wrote:I'm glad someone finally understands that Super isn't just a toy commercial.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:It wasn't a "money thing" DBS never got marketed until after the Trunks arc which incidentally was when all DBS RF Gi merch started coming..., these are what we've had from 2017 onwards:Dragono wrote: They brought them back for U6 and never again so it might be a money thing, they may not have sold well.
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Can people seriously stop thinking an explanation for something in DBS might be down to merch, it honestly drives me up the wall barely anything of DBS that could have been marketed has, hell DBS didn't even get properly marketing until after it's 4th arc! The 2nd new material arc. Every creative decision Toei made was made by them for them alone, hell Ultra Instinct wasn't even originally part of the U.S arc plans. Vegeta's new form hasn't even been marketed yet and it will be 11 months and counting since his new form appeared.
But people aren't very concerned with things like facts or being rational
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We have Zamasu thoughjeffbr92 wrote:You know the sad thing is that you're right, I wish Toriyama had more creativity nowadays.FortuneSSJ wrote:I actually think its hilarious that in videogames we are exploring the Dark Realm and Time Patrol stuff, while in the main show with Toriyama's help, we're stuck with bringing Freeza back and having Tournaments.
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Yes, but he didn't expand it to the Makaio concept, it wasn't even mentioned.Toxin45 wrote:We have Zamasu though
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That's one of the reasons I'm concerned about this Movie. I loved Bardock TV Special so much that I don't need another Movie that focus on Saiyans lore.The gr wrote:Aren't you a little curious about the new Saiyan lore, while the race is overused it could lead to good stories with the right execution,does the Bardock special ring a bell.FortuneSSJ wrote: This Movie seems to be just more stuff about Saiyans and Freeza, while Heroes anime will actually cover new ground.
The same way that Bardock TV Special rings a bell, DB Minus does it too and that was trash.
I would like to know what suggestions for the new movie Toei gave to Toriyama and he rejected, because I believe some of them could have more potential than what we are about to get.
Grimlock wrote:Yes, but he didn't expand it to the Makaio concept, it wasn't even mentioned.Toxin45 wrote:We have Zamasu though
If they planned things ahead this rift Black created, that not even him was sure what it was, could have lead to a Makaioshin arc later, but I guess have another Tournament was a more interesting idea.
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Eh we still have the other universes to explore like what universe?Grimlock wrote:Yes, but he didn't expand it to the Makaio concept, it wasn't even mentioned.Toxin45 wrote:We have Zamasu though
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Going by the movies that Toei made, it was probably one of his ideas that they ripped off.FortuneSSJ wrote:That's one of the reasons I'm concerned about this Movie. I loved Bardock TV Special so much that I don't need another Movie that focus on Saiyans lore.The gr wrote:Aren't you a little curious about the new Saiyan lore, while the race is overused it could lead to good stories with the right execution,does the Bardock special ring a bell.FortuneSSJ wrote: This Movie seems to be just more stuff about Saiyans and Freeza, while Heroes anime will actually cover new ground.
The same way that Bardock TV Special rings a bell, DB Minus does it too and that was trash.
I would like to know what suggestions for the new movie Toei gave to Toriyama and he rejected, because I believe some of them could have more potential than what we are about to get.
Grimlock wrote:Yes, but he didn't expand it to the Makaio concept, it wasn't even mentioned.Toxin45 wrote:We have Zamasu though
If they planned things ahead this rift Black created, that not even him was sure what it was, could have lead to a Makaioshin arc later, but I guess have another Tournament was a more interesting idea.
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I feel like we might see Queen Vegeta
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I've always given Super the benefit in the doubt and i still like the show. If there is one thing that somehow bothers me, it's not the animation quality of whatever. It's the fact they have to take into concililation a big part of their audience has matured over time, have seen other anime etc. So it wouldn't be bad the stories would somehow 'mature' over time. And they don't thusfar, and that's what bothers me the most, not the animation quality.The lasted part of Super and definetley ToP it's fine, fine to great. When Super is discussed a lot of time it's always about he animation,but i think they've worked on it and it's not a big deal anymore. But i would like the stories to gain a little bit more maturity. Move it from the early timeslot and make it just a little bit more mature please, if i have one advice to give. I don't expect Dragonball to become a deeply philisophical anime, but sometimes i think it's just a little bit too childish. This while a lot of original fans are in their 20s / 30s or even 40s by now. Please realize this aspect as well, TOEI and Toriyama. This is not to break anything down, it's just an advice / opinion to take into consideration.
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I think that's more the production committee wanting to appeal to younger audiences, than the time slot necessarily, because One Piece comes right after and that's a gore fest in comparison to Super.Mister_Popo wrote:I've always given Super the benefit in the doubt. If there is one thing that somehow bothers me, it's not the animation quality of whatever. It's the fact they have to take into concililation a big part of their audience has matured over time, have seen other anime etc. So it wouldn't be bad the stories would somehow 'mature' over time. And they don't thusfar, and that's what bothers me the most, not the animation quality.The lasted part of Super and definetley ToP it's fine, fine to great. When Super is discussed a lot of time it's always about he animation,but i think they've worked on it and it's not a bid deal anymore. I have always given Super the benefit of the doubt. But i would like the stories to gain a little bit more maturity. Move it from the early timeslot and make it just a little bit more mature please, if i have one advice to give.
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I know what you mean. But take into consideration the Goku Black arc, if it was in a later timeslot, even in that early timeslot there were more opportunities to depictJazzMazz wrote:I think that's more the production committee wanting to appeal to younger audiences, than the time slot necessarily, because One Piece comes right after and that's a gore fest in comparison to Super.Mister_Popo wrote:I've always given Super the benefit in the doubt. If there is one thing that somehow bothers me, it's not the animation quality of whatever. It's the fact they have to take into concililation a big part of their audience has matured over time, have seen other anime etc. So it wouldn't be bad the stories would somehow 'mature' over time. And they don't thusfar, and that's what bothers me the most, not the animation quality.The lasted part of Super and definetley ToP it's fine, fine to great. When Super is discussed a lot of time it's always about he animation,but i think they've worked on it and it's not a bid deal anymore. I have always given Super the benefit of the doubt. But i would like the stories to gain a little bit more maturity. Move it from the early timeslot and make it just a little bit more mature please, if i have one advice to give.
for instance Goku Black or Zamasu like the real sadist beasts they were at the end. I mean, they were no Wil o Coyote or Yosemity Sam, they were real badasses, having killed all the Gods etc.
I've seen some other anime as an adult, and i've seen some other villains that were really bad. I don't expect Super to be gory or anything, but i sometimes miss that aspect of realistic violence. I sometimes had the feeling Black or Zamasu were more like Looney Tunes-villains and even Buu or Cell or Freeza in Z were more badass and traitening. A real traitening villain is what a story and hero makes epic in an anime story.
A little bit more 'hair on the balls' here and there would make the show better in my opinion, wihtout turning it into a gore fest. I mean, even One Piece, has a tiny shed of blood and even its impalements now and then, and it's in the same early same timeslot as Super.
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Kitaro has blood,so it’s more of production committee decision.Mister_Popo wrote:I know what you mean. But take into consideration the Goku Black arc, if it was in a later timeslot, even in that early timeslot there were more opportunities to depictJazzMazz wrote:I think that's more the production committee wanting to appeal to younger audiences, than the time slot necessarily, because One Piece comes right after and that's a gore fest in comparison to Super.Mister_Popo wrote:I've always given Super the benefit in the doubt. If there is one thing that somehow bothers me, it's not the animation quality of whatever. It's the fact they have to take into concililation a big part of their audience has matured over time, have seen other anime etc. So it wouldn't be bad the stories would somehow 'mature' over time. And they don't thusfar, and that's what bothers me the most, not the animation quality.The lasted part of Super and definetley ToP it's fine, fine to great. When Super is discussed a lot of time it's always about he animation,but i think they've worked on it and it's not a bid deal anymore. I have always given Super the benefit of the doubt. But i would like the stories to gain a little bit more maturity. Move it from the early timeslot and make it just a little bit more mature please, if i have one advice to give.
for instance Goku Black or Zamasu like the real sadist beasts they were at the end. I mean, they were no Wil o Coyote or Yosemity Sam, they were real badasses, having killed all the Gods etc.
I've seen some other anime as an adult, and i've seen some other villains that were really bad. I don't expect Super to be gory or anything, but i sometimes miss that aspect of realistic violence. I sometimes had the feeling Black or Zamasu were more like Looney Tunes-villains and even Buu or Cell or Freeza in Z were more badass and traitening. A real traitening villain is what a story and hero makes epic in an anime story.
A little bit more 'hair on the balls' here and there would make the show better in my opinion, wihtout turning it into a gore fest. I mean, even One Piece, has a tiny shed of blood and even its impalements now and then, and it's in the same early same timeslot as Super.
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Now I'm just thinking of Vegeta in a dress.Meshack wrote:I feel like we might see Queen Vegeta
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Heroes does not cover new ground or is any good.
It's literally just dumb fanservice show where everyone gets SSJ3/4 and fusions.
It's literally just dumb fanservice show where everyone gets SSJ3/4 and fusions.
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I wont be against thosse, but Toriyama would never do that kind of stories, not in his prime and certainly not now, unless they force him to, and even then, he'll do just his own interpretation witch may not be what you guys are wishing.jeffbr92 wrote:You know the sad thing is that you're right, I wish Toriyama had more creativity nowadays.FortuneSSJ wrote:I actually think its hilarious that in videogames we are exploring the Dark Realm and Time Patrol stuff, while in the main show with Toriyama's help, we're stuck with bringing Freeza back and having Tournaments.
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Yup. I can tell that you’ve never investigated what DBH is even about.Vados_chan wrote:Heroes does not cover new ground or is any good.
It's literally just dumb fanservice show where everyone gets SSJ3/4 and fusions.
I called it that Gogeta, Bardock, and something Broly related would be in the movie before it was even announced that it was a Broly movie.
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Crossing my fingers that the website updates today with high res versions of the character sheets that were shown off in V Jump.