dragon boss z wrote:
Those outside materials can be retconned. I said if you go off the RoF movie alone, and nothing else, it can fit into the manga continuity quite nicely.
Goku's description for Blue directly corroborates those materials though, not to mention that the movie expands on the idea that Goku already absorbed Super Saiyan God unlike the manga. The idea that they were retconned is kind of my whole point -- they were perfectly applicable to the film's in-universe mechanics at the time, but they don't really extend to the manga's power scale. Most of us generally agree that Whis' training helped the Saiyans achieve Super Saiyan God on their own for the manga at least, so it's not unlikely that that would become its primary purpose as opposed to just having them be that strong in base.
For the movie in particular, Super Saiyan Blue didn't actually need to be all that great of a boost from "Saiyan Beyond God" at the time. In fact, that's what most people following these marketing materials thought during the months leading up to its release and beyond, especially since Blue was suggested to function as a replacement of sorts for the regular Super Saiyan form. Stuff like
Dragon Ball Heroes took the same approach, so you can't claim that there wasn't an official precedent for it.
dragon boss z wrote:
It was skipped because they thought it wasn't needed because we already saw the movie.
Possibly, but that doesn't change my stance. While Toyotaro is obviously conscious of consistent power-scaling, he probably didn't deem that aspect important enough to justify rewriting the whole arc. As long as we know the major plot points, that's all we need.
dragon boss z wrote:
While I agree if they ever made another flashback or redo the RoF arc in manga form, that would be the definitive version for the manga continuity, as of now I think the movie version should be used for the most part, but not absolute doctrine.
For what it's worth, I do feel that the manga works as a solid follow-up to both
Battle of Gods and
Resurrection 'F' as far as tone, pacing, and writing are concerned. If anyone was ever interested in experiencing
Super, that would be my recommended viewing order, personally. Its inner workings just aren't necessarily an absolute doctrine as you've said, and I doubt that the franchise's authorities obsess over scaling to the point that they would rework the entire story as a result.