When other characters were torn out of super boo , he lost his powers instantly.
When Super boo lost fat buu(which had both Kaioshin in him), their powers and influence also left instantly.
Moments after the powers and influence were gone, it was openly stated by goku and vegeta that "shouldn't his power be decreasing rather than increasing"
Therefore its not at all speculation. The only power left in the body was kid boo's. The Kaioshin's was gone. Arguing that it was the Kaioshin's power that allowed him to rise doesn't make any sense because NONE of the other absorptions worked that way. Therefore you either have to provide evidence that shows for some reason the Kaioshin's bodies (both) caused a spike in his transformation(which there isn't) or its kid boo's power that raised higher than super buu.
There is a mention of boo power increasing and was never refuted, i can also say the same thing that saying anything else like kid boo getting weaker is headcanon too since no one mentioned that.
Goku said if Genki Dama failed then everyone would have been done in. He calls earthlings "stupid bastards" and told them they all will be killed if they don't give in their energy. There's no way earth can be in danger if Gohan is enough to beat boo.
No he isn't talking to calm his fears but overall. He would not forget his sons out of the blue. Wait, didn't you said Goku believed he can kill boo alone so now you think Goku was weaker than Kid Boo according to his own admission? Either way he was referring to all because they were talking about how to stop boo in future if he's emerged. He never meant both of them that's bad assumption.
He meant all Kaioshin, you're not only reaching out but surpass even that. Inventing your own Canon just so your desperate argument can work. Your "burning remaining ki" idea is fan fiction-esque.
Goku loves a good fight even if he is outmatched. You are making it seem like goku has never fought someone stronger than him for sport. Goku has always choosen to fight people stronger than him. What are you talking about? The entire series is about him fighting people he knew he was outclassed by.
Cell he openly admits he was going to get slammed to the ground by him but fought him anyways. This has happened ALL THE TIME in dbz. How can you say he has never fought anyone he had no chance with? Do you think he really had a chance against perfect cell? He openly admitted several times that he was pretty sure he had no chance at all and that cell was basically indestructible. Vegeta explained to Trunks that his Saiyan pride makes him do this.
No narrative mention of power drop, not once.
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption(s)…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”
His power was weakend through the absorbing the south Kaioshin - as Kibito pointed out, he's more powerful and more dangerous. We see him living up to that when he blows up Earth.
The story mentions no such thing as a power decrease - and even IF there were one, it would be minor. There are a couple of reasons this theory doesn't work, namely the Kaioshin energy do not add power to Majin Boo as stated by Babidi, for one. Dabra explicitly stated that they CAN'T take energy of Kibito and Kaioshin but with others they have a chance. The potara lost its powers the moment they enter inside boo's body due to the atmosphere inside (which DBS unnecessarily retconned for no reason). Then there is the issue of the Saiya-jin being arguably more powerful than any of the Kaioshins, as told by Kibito numerous expressions and remarks, including SSJ Gohan lifting the Z sword. This means that whatever power the South Kaioshin added (which is none) wouldn't have been much. Then there is the issue of what is stated - no one mentions a drop in Kid Boo's power (though we do find out later he is stronger than they originally believed) and the fear on Kibito's face when Kid boo appears (no concern of sort was shown for the original Super Boo ) There is also the statement made by Kibito on the absorptions of the Kaioshin actually weakened Boo, though of course you'll debate it was only one that weakened him, but the statement remains.
For argument sake assume kid boo was 5 and South Kai made him 6 but Dai Kaioshin made him 4 which means he was overall weakened. See how bad your arguments are? Then that should settle it He talks about Both the absorptions then says it reduced his Power Level which means he got the power back which was lowered by absorbing Kaioshin, if you refute this than you are just bad at debating. I mentioned a raw fact by taking your narrative of southern Kaioshin into account yet I can prove my points.
So if Pure Evil Boo is equal to Pure Boo and early Fat Boo's Power that fought Goku ssj3 equals that of Good Boo's and Evil Boo's combined, then That Fat Boo which fought Goku in ssj3 is also Stronger than Pure Boo.
If Fat Boo is the result of Kaioshin influence restraining Pure Boo, then how could Pure Evil Boo be Boo's equal, let alone stronger?
Congratulations you played debunked yourself
Now statements from Manga are irrelevant and things not mentioned in manga are relevant.
Ma=demon lmao. Many sources translate him as Demon Boo. They don't even say "While", Dabra straight way mentioned that they can't use Kaioshin ki but others are option. The same people were originally planning on using human energy who are obviously weaker than Kaioshin.
Again, just because he's Evil itself doesn't make him Most Difficult just due to that. It's because Kaioshin weakened him.
All of your arguments are "only logical explanations" or "indirect implications" yet i am one using headcanons, right? It's not out of character when that's the exact gag toriyama uses with final forms like Kuririn despite having ability to sense ki saying Freeza doesn't look wewj/much stronger. Vegeta despite sensing ki saying Cell doesn't seem to have gotten stronger and even uses the same "Chidizmu" word for Cell too when he's referring to Cell shrinking. Goku himself said that Freeza was more of a runt than he imagined then after Freeza powers up 50% says that he's bluffing, you think Goku can't sense ki? Characters are not infallible. Gathering ki can't make you powerful, it's no different from Piccolo trying to gather ki or Cell gathering ki to destroy whole solar system. Also Goku was anything but confident, the look on his face was hardly that of confidence.
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”
Goku isn't Perfect, he also thought that Genki-Dama will take Vegeta down in saiyan arc only for it to not work. Goku's statement in Super Boo's body wasn't when he was in ssj3 and he never even tried to go ssj3 because there was some limitation. He was shrunk inside Boo and underpowered too. He went ssj3 against bootenks but you think he's so scared that he won't even do that against a vastly weaker opponent? That doesn't make sense, he also told Piccolo how ssj3 can be better utilized in otherworld because it exhausts him in living world. The same Goku who thought he needs to gather energy for one minute, also preferred Genki-Dama over Gohan's help, You can't just take one on face value and try to fit your own narrative. The same Goku thought the Genki Dama was still not enough with Gohan's Ki. Btw Goku also told that he's not used to ssj3 so his gauging of Boo's power with newly attained ssj3 isn't accurate too.
The fact remains that in both cases when Super boo was near Goku and Pure Boo launched the blast Goku never went ssj3 so it has definitely got to do with power issue or drawbacks of using ssj3 in living realm.
Now you rewrote Japanese lexicon too. Genki in one context means health and in other the basic life energy. And in DBZ the latter is used not former. Hey you either way won't listen to anything toriyama says which goes against your narrative...
The Kai Kai wasn't even introduced yet and it was the same Teleporting like Goku's. Goku never said he agreed due to the reasoning for genki Dama, what are you even reading? When you want it, you make Goku pragmatic like him judging kid boo from his ki but nonsensically choosing a risky solution over easy victory, for someone who was always rooting for kids... To suddenly choose a move which never worked and required them to beg to earthlings? Again if it was something which Goku could have done without someone else's help like beating Freeza or Piccolo alone then it would make sense but that's not how things went, they were desperate and at that point they won't show stupidity since they are not in a position to take down Boo alone. 2 wrongs don't make one right.
You can't prove it other than your "only logical explanation", There's no way Super Boo knows of Kid Boo other way round. That's why Super Boo was afraid of losing consciousness and personality, Boo even managed to punch Satan which no other Super boo could manage to do. Also i doubt Toriyama even came up with the idea of Pure Boo at that point. He's clearly referring to Boo's from Fat form because the Pure Evil Boo is Evil half of fat boo, he's not even kid boo. His clothing is that of Dai Kaioshin too, he's obviously not supposed to know about kid boo.
Goku has shown commenting on character appearances like with Freeza, Vegeta even uses the same "chidizmu" word he used with Perfect Cell. You say Goku can't do that when he did the same thing when he saw Freeza and ki isn't definitive, it can go up or down, it's upto the person. It's not out of character for Goku when he himself later on admits that potara was better and he was trying to show off, are all these evidences irrelevant to you?
Interviewer : In several parts of Dragon Ball, the most powerful character is actually the smallest, cutest and youngest-looking. For example, young Goku, or Freeza and Majin Boo in their final transformations. Is that because kids are small and cute, but also want to be powerful?
Toriyama : I wanted to go against people’s expectation that the strong ones always get stronger and bigger. I consciously tried to switch between telling a straightforward story and telling one that was unconventional and contradictory.
Here he confirms it, he even used the example of kid boo, how can you deny this? Also note how kid goku is separated from examples of Freeza and Kid boo in final form. Kid goku at his time was actually strongest be it RRA or Tenkaichi Budokai or Piccolo Daimao arc and he's talking about Freeza and Boo final forms. You completely miss the point, man you are on purpose missing the point, the 100% form is still smaller than the 3rd form he attained. It's part of his final form, the point of interview is that the last most powerful forms look smaller. As expected according to you, your words > anyone.
You also can't assume kid boo got weaker based on assumptions when they talked about Boo's ki growing and never refuting it ever.
What? What are you talking about? He's referring to both Satan and Boo's help in Genki Dama plan, how can you twist facts so much?
Since you haven't realized it yet, you have debunked your own arguments. It was stated that from process of going from kid to fat boo the power came down, this is after South and Dai both in him, which means irrespective of whatever boost according to you, South Kaioshin gave him, it was brought down by Dai Kaioshin power which means overall result of 2 Kaioshins is still lower power. So if that influence is taken out, kid boo will get back that lowered power through absorptions, you see what I mean? Even with your arguments it's the same thing. That's why Goku and Vegeta sensed his power growing. So even if you think Only Dai Kaioshin weakened him despite both Kaioshins coexisting in Boo's body, it means that he got that blocked power back when Vegeta took out Kaioshin goodness. You can't refute stated fact.
Yea it makes so much sense for the final most smallest looking form to he weaker and its totally not a trope toriyama has been using since Freeza arc.
Not a single time they called Pure Boo weaker, it also says "Buff Boo" is somewhat stronger than Fat boo.
It clearly says "somewhat". You're just deciding to ignore it because you feel troubled if it gets considered in place.
Somewhat means Buff Buu > Fat Buu by a Small amount
Yet Ssj3 Goku > Fat Buu by a large amount. Therefore, Ssj3 Goku > Buff Boo. Your own case debunks yourself and Daizenshuu doesn't say that only Dai Kaioshin weakened Boo. Instead, he's the only one who weakened his ferociousness, yet Old Kai states that Kid Buu is the most troublesome/strongest (in context).
It clearly shows you will keep trying to fit in your desperate attempts just so your super boo comes out on top.
Kaboom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 3:48 pm
Ripper 30 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:32 amYet you keep your headcanons going.
Darkprince410 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:09 amYour headcanons are not gonna work here buddy.
Ripper 30 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:35 amYou are again adding your own bad headcanons.
Ripper 30 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:35 amStop the headcanon it
's clearly...
There will be no more of this from you.
Disagreement with you does not equate to "headcanon." It's becoming clear that you are only looking for an echo chamber to agree with your own opinions, and have no intention of learning anything from your peers or doing anything but immediately dismissing what they say. I may not be able to change your motivations or your outlook, but I can change your behavior.
If you're not looking to actually have any meaningful discussion, then you're not obligated to post at all.
Why is there any meaning left when even the Manga evidences and anything which goes against his arguments is irrelevant but his indirect "only logical explanations" are better?
there *is* evidence in the Kid Boo sub-arc but he refuses to acknowledge it. I've explained that evidence multiple times now and you keep saying it doesn't exist. I say everyone ignore Gohan. I point out that the incomplete Genki Dama with Gohan's power isn't enough. I point out the Universal Genki Dama can be deflected by Kid Boo. I point out Goku saying without Satan and Good Boo everyone dies. I point out how Goku trains for 10 years and still wants his full power agains Oob.
I mean anyone judging it while keeping in mind Toriyama's storytelling cliches and trope can see, that Super Boo can't be above Kid Boo.
Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P13.5
Context: as evil Boo reverts to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “H-hey…Vegeta…His ki is increasing, ain’t it…!?”
When other characters were torn out of super boo , he lost his powers instantly.
When Super boo lost fat buu(which had both Kaioshin in him), their powers and influence also left instantly.
Moments after the powers and influence were gone, it was openly stated by goku and vegeta that "shouldn't his power be decreasing rather than increasing"
Therefore its not at all speculation. The only power left in the body was kid boo's. The Kaioshin's was gone. Arguing that it was the Kaioshin's power that allowed him to rise doesn't make any sense because NONE of the other absorptions worked that way.
Everytime someone was removed from Boo his power dropped instantly, why would he get stronger only to get weaker in one page despite no evidence saying he got weaker? If your argument is South Kaioshin powered him up then there's no reason for him to get his power after power source is removed from inside. The composition of buff and Kid boo is same and no statement was made about his ki going down from super boo to kid boo overall. Even if you think South Kaioshin powered him up i can debunk that claim, later in this post.
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P1.3
Context: evil Boo continues to revert to his South Kaioshin form
Goku: “…H-hey…He’s changed into an awfully bulky guy…”
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P3.4-6
Context: after Boo reverts to his pure form
Goku: “…”
Vegeta: “……Heh…Heheheh…Look! He’s shrunk down quite a bit!”
Goku: “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.”
The word Vegeta used here is the exact same he used for Perfect Cell when he was referring to him shrinking in Final form. No mention of Ki. Also, Here Goku never mentioned that ki went down, only that they "might" be able to do something. The first mission of Vegetto was not to kill Boo but take the kids and Piccolo out. Here they were successfully able to hide the kids and now were left with no burden like taking care of kids. Either way it's really unlikely that Vegeta and Goku will be judging Boo differently because Goku's statement is like a reply to Vegeta's shrinking comment. Goku himself commented on Freeza's size the moment he saw him, Vegeta already did that with Cell so its not like these characters are infallible. The narrative still never makes it clear or evident that Boo is weakened, on the contrary Toriyama like every arc kept drawing people reacting opposite, like one Panel showing saiyans laughing after seeing Kid boo and other panel showing Kibitoshin terrified.
Toriyama has a habit of doing it, he makes one character troll the final form but other telling the truth. With Freeza Kuririn was trying to downplay him and Piccolo corrects him. With Cell, Vegeta was downplaying him but Kuririn predicted earlier that this Cell is more powerful. How can one believe Goku and Vegeta were absolutely right?
Then Kibitoshin gives his backstory :
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption(s)…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”
2 things to notice here, first is how Kibitoshin made absolutely no mention of South Kaioshin powering up Boo and then only difference between Dai Kaioshin and South Kaioshin absorbed Boo is him becoming controllable. Elder Kaioshin asks him if the First Boo was most difficult and kibitoshin replies by talking about absorption lowering his power. Because the Plural of "Kyushu" is "Kyushu" only and with context it becomes Plural like cell talking about absorption of human essence.
"absorption", being singular can also refer to a plural picture as the example given. The context here refers to ALL the absorptions. Dragon Ball Z adaptation has interpreted the statement the same way, that's why they keep on calling him strongest boo.
"through absorption" goes as simple as it gets. It generalizes the idea that through the entire process of absorption, he got weaker.
Which means, there is no "specific Kaioshin" it refers to at all.
The thing is, Dai Kaioshin's effect according to the Manga wad ONLY making him more controllable. Which means in terms of dangerousness, Buff Boo = Kid Boo, but Fat Boo is different.
Even if i listen to your argument of South Kaioshin powering up Boo, it still doesn't change the fact that after absorbing Dai Kaioshin how power went even lower than Kid Boo's. Then that should settle it, He talks about Both the absorptions then says it reduced his Power Level. Which means even if South Kaioshin according to you made him stronger, Dai Kaioshin made him even more weaker and which means removing both will bring him the power back.
Now you see why Goku was talking about Boo's Power growing instead? That's that blocked power after absorption of gods.
After Kibitoshin foreshadowed Boo's Power, they waste no time in displaying that. First Pure Boo launches a smaller fast moving attack which Vegeta deflected, then Pure Boo grins and launches a bigger more powerful attack which forces Goku into surrender. Again this is a Toriyama trope, like making Freeza prove everyone wrong by killing dende by a move no one even saw. By making Cell take Vegeta's kick head on with no damage and here making Boo unleash an attack that Goku surrendered to. He isn't the kind of guy to lose hope, when Piccolo was gonna blow up everyone in 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai he countered, when Vegeta was trying to blow up earth with Gyallic Ho, Goku countered it, when Cell was gonna launch Kamehameha Goku countered it but you think Goku would just run away from a weaker form? Toriyama had proven that the bigger version of same attack is more powerful. This is no different, not to mention Goku himself admitted he can't deflect Boo's blast even before it was completed and it was way more slow moving than the earlier blast Vegeta countered :
Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P8.7
Context: Boo forms a big ki blast
Goku: “It-it’s huge…! You’ve got to be kidding…! Do-does he intend to unleash that…!? …We can’t knock back something like that…!”
Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P6.8, P7.1-5
Context: after Kaioshin hands Goku his Potara, but he refuses it
Goku: “…Like I thought, these…just ain’t suited for us…Even though you went out of your way to hand ‘em over…We want to fight with only our own power. I’m sorry, especially since things are so dangerous now…But [Boo] ain’t merged anymore either…“
Elder Kaioshin: “Yo-you idiot! What are you saying?! And at a time like this! It’s not like you gu-guys are in a martial arts match with Boo, you know!”
Vegeta: “…Well said, Kakarot. Just like a true…Saiyan.”
Kaioshins: “…!”
Goku: “It’s alright. I’m tellin’ ya, don’t worry. He can’t come all the way here. We’ll think up some sorta strategy. I feel bad for the aliens who will be sacrificed in the meantime, but we’ll use the dragonballs later…”
You earlier in post said Goku's statement inside Super boo and him wanting to fight kid boo should prove it, Yet Goku was going to sacrifice the entire universe to come up with a plan to beat Kid Boo. He never mentioned any ki decrease in boo as his excuse to fight him unfused, he only uses Fair fight excuse to fight alone. Toriyama has a trend of making Goku fight alone with strongest forms or villains, Vegeta, Final Freeza or Perfect Cell. When Goku entered to fight them all he was way weaker than them, the entire character of Goku is fighting vastly powerful opponents. Toriyama confirms it as Goku's true desire to fight one-on-one and Daizenshuu also said that it was Goku's Saiyan blood stirring which made him go one-on-one with Boo. It also states Goku fought Kid Boo at Full Power without holding back.
Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.4-6
Context: as Goku prepares to fight Boo
Goku: “Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go ‘poof’…”
Vegeta: “Let me see this ‘Super Saiyan 3’ thing with my own eyes…”
Goku: “Is that alright? You just might not get your turn…I can say this now, but the truth is that with that fat Boo, I would have been able to defeat him at the time with Super Saiyan 3...However, I wanted the young guys to manage something…For the Earth’s sake too…”
Goku is for the first time going to fight without holding back and with his own power.
Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P12.6
Vegeta: “The truth is you were right [that I’d be killed by Boo]. That Boo is stronger than I imagined…And so are you, Kakarot…”
Here we go direct confirmation from Vegeta who along with Goku was wanting to fight him alone and did janken.
Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.6-7
Context: after one of Goku’s attacks damages Boo
Goku: “That bastard…Even though he can quickly return to normal, he’s playing around by purposefully drawing it out…”
Boo is clearly lollygagging
Reminder that this villain tanked 2 Kamehamehas and had zero fall in stamina and after fighting with Goku he was dancing around.
Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”
Goku admits that him wanting to take down Boo alone was a mistake and potara was better. He even mentioned that he was showing off near Kaioshins and Vegeta.
I know Goku ssj3 even claimed that bringing your ki the maximum would have a chance to destroy kid boo , plus he said he would need time is an opportunity, a very similar situation to that Goku and Piccolo had with raditz where piccolo needed goku for that distract yourself raditz, to piccolo to have the opportunity to try to destroy raditz. Goku still admits he should have used the merger from the start, for defeat kid boo , in other words the fact that Goku need the help of vegeta to distract kid boo only implies that he could not defeat kid boo alone, implying once again in superiority of kid boo about goku ssj3.
This isn't first time a character has talked about gathering ki, previously we saw exact same scenario with Piccolo and Goku vs Raditz fight :
Piccolo : Yea That's Part of The Problem, But This Technique Takes a Lot of Time to Build up The Necessary Ki. While I'm Doing that, You're Going to Have to Fight Him Alone and Keep Him Distracted.
Gathering Ki has got nothing to do with getting stronger, Cell also tried to do the same with Gohan by gathering big Ki, that doesn't mean he was stronger.
Context: while charging the Kamehameha
Cell: “I’ve already gathered enough ki power to blow away not only the Earth, but the solar system as well!”
Random people far away: “Wh-what’s happening!?” “It’s an earthquake…!”
this becomes even more evident when goku try to destroy kid boo with Genkidama that even gohan giving your ki to maximum, was still not enough to defeat kid boo , according goku :
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P8.3-4
Context: after Vegeta tells Goku to make a Genki-Dama
Goku: “Hey! So it was the Genki-Dama you were thinking of!? It-it’s no use! Against Boo, no matter how much we gathered little bits of genki from all the Earthlings…”
Vegeta: “I told you, right? That those guys on Earth should take responsibility every now and then…! It won’t be just little bit. We’ll gather ki from them right up to their limits!”
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P13.3-4
Context: after Gohan and co. contribute their genki to the Genki-Dama
Goku: “Oh! It’s here, it’s here! It’s already huge! This is Gohan and the others’ ki!”
Vegeta: “…Bu-but it’s not complete yet…Wh-why…?!”
Chapter: 515 (DBZ 321), P1.1
Context: after Gohan and co. contribute their genki to the Genki-Dama
Goku: “Hey, even this probably isn’t enough to wipe out Boo! What are they doing?! Hardly anyone but our friends is sending us ki!”
Chapter: 516 (DBZ 322), P8.5-6
Context: people on Namek and in the afterlife watch Boo stall the Genki-Dama
Elder Kaioshin: “Th-this is bad. Ma-maybe that ‘Genki-Dama’ thing st-still doesn’t have enough power…”
Dende: “Th-that can’t be…! We-we already used our ki…”
Enma Daio: “Ha-hang in there, Son Goku…! Th-that Genki-Dama has power from us here in the afterlife in it too…!”
Chapter: 516 (DBZ 322), P9.1
Context: Dende asks Kaioshin to teleport him to go heal Goku
Kaioshin: “So-sorry…I used up my stamina just now [when he contributed to the Genki-Dama]…Until I recover, I can’t teleport…”
Different from other genkidamas that extracts only some of the energy of things, the Super Genkidama used to destroy kid boo would go to extract the energy from the things to the their limit, when friends of Goku and the entire universe gave their ki, to Goku, Goku was wearing the energy of all to maximum, on point that could kill everything if he is not careful.
Chapter: 212 (DBZ 18), P5.1-2
Context: explaining the technique after Goku blows up a large brick with a Genki-Dama made from the energy of Kaio's planet
Kaio: “The Genki-Dama is a technique that takes just a little bit of the various energies held by grass or trees, humans or animals, or even in objects and the atmosphere, gathers it all together and then fires it. Even the Genki-Dama of such a small planet as this one had that much destructive power. The Earth where you’ll be fighting is so large you can’t even compare it to here. And if you’re able to make the sun, with its gigantic energy, into your ally…It will be a Genki-Dama with outrageous power. If you mess up, you could destroy the planet which you’re supposed to protect.”
Chapter: 237 (DBZ 43), P1.3/P3.6
Context: giving Kuririn the Genki-Dama
Goku: “Genki-Dama. Yes, ki that I gathered bit by bit from all over the Earth. About half of it got away, but I think there’s enough to beat him as he is now. [ ] Do it, Kuririn! Gohan couldn’t control such power.”
Chapter: 315 (DBZ 121), P2.2-5, P3.1-2
Kuririn: “It-it’s huge…And it’s getting even bigger…”
Piccolo: “Is it really that big?”
Gohan: “On Earth it was about this big [he holds out his hands]”
Kuririn: “Th-this time its diameter is about 50 meters…He shouldn’t be able to make a Genki-Dama that huge on this planet…Goku must have even gathered ki from the surrounding planets…”
Piccolo: “Freeza doesn’t seem to have noticed yet…So why doesn’t Goku attack with that ball right away?...”
Kuririn: “Goku’s definitely thinking that if he doesn’t gather more ki and make it even huger, it won’t be able to defeat Freeza…”
Chapter: 315 (DBZ 121), P4.1
Goku: “This thing’s big weakness is the time it takes to gather ki…”
I have shown you all evidences of how the series never tried to distinguish between Genki and ki and genki has been shown to be interchangeably used with Power too. It's obvious that traditional Genki-Dama took little bit of Ki but Super Genki-Dama was about taking every bit of Ki possible. You can't die after giving all your Ki just badly exhausted like Vegeta described, as if they ran as fast as they could have. It's evident in the show that when a person uses all his ki he just becomes unable to move and badly exhausted. This means Gohan gave all his Ki yet it wasn't enough to Kill Pure Boo.
No kid who watched the show would come up with weird explanations of everyone not giving their power but health. These all things about Genki-Dama only taking your "Health energy" and not normal energy came from western fandom only. I have actually confirmed it with many Japanese fans on twitter and they were laughing when i told them western fans think that the Genki-Dama only takes Health energy or Soul spiritual energy and not ki.
Gen-ki itself means origin of Ki or basic life energy. Genki can also mean full of energy or energetic. When Goku took senzu and recovered his energy he even said "Genki Zenkai".
Tell me where do you think i am reaching out and other dude isn't?
Everytime someone on Kanzenshuu brings up the argument of kid boo being above super boo its like they are seen like villains. Everyone just mocks them as if popular opinions are facts. The Manga at no point explicitly mentioned super boo is above kid boo or Kid boo was weaker than Gohan.