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The Last Jedi is a film just as well-liked, profitable, and critically well-received as any other in its saga. And yet, the hate online seems universal.
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I'm pretty sure popping in a DVD with 720x480 data store'd inside it would would result in the DVD player converting that to 640x480. Or interlaced 320×240. I would think that 720x540 would cause scanline issues becuz you'd be changing the height.Robo4900 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 7:03 pm No.
TVs display it at whatever resolution the TV can upscale it to while maintaining the intended aspect ratio.
The source resolution is 720x480. Your TV upscales that to 1440x1080 for a 1080p monitor.
On a CRT, it would natively display it at 720x480, but shape the pixels such that it was a 4:3 image shape.
So, I suggest either 720x540 -- since then you're not losing detail by squashing it down -- or just upscale any smaller images to fit the size of the largest image.
Personally, the route I go is to take the Funi-provided raw film scan images as-is, and then down/up-scale anything else to fit that.
... No. That's not even remotely how that works.linkdude20002001 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:01 pmI'm pretty sure popping in a DVD with 720x480 data store'd inside it would would result in the DVD player converting that to 640x480. Or interlaced 320×240. I would think that 720x540 would cause scanline issues becuz you'd be changing the height.Robo4900 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 7:03 pm No.
TVs display it at whatever resolution the TV can upscale it to while maintaining the intended aspect ratio.
The source resolution is 720x480. Your TV upscales that to 1440x1080 for a 1080p monitor.
On a CRT, it would natively display it at 720x480, but shape the pixels such that it was a 4:3 image shape.
So, I suggest either 720x540 -- since then you're not losing detail by squashing it down -- or just upscale any smaller images to fit the size of the largest image.
Personally, the route I go is to take the Funi-provided raw film scan images as-is, and then down/up-scale anything else to fit that.
No.
Right, exactly. Couldn't have (and certainly didn't) put it better myself.
Yeah, it appears judging by those shots that there is just a little more of zooming in on the image than the Ultimate Uncut Edition.SuperSaiyanPan wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 1:53 pm Well here you go Kbabz, I only did the first episode because it was late and I was tired.
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EFCJNNNU Crowd
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EF2CNNNU Goku Gohan
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EF2MNNNU Farmer
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/GKPPNNNX Radditz
It would appear the zoom on the 30th isn't too much more in certain shots and areas at least than the UUE itself. I will do the others when I have the free time.
As far as we know the zooming is only on the first episode?SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 1:56 pmYeah, it appears judging by those shots that there is just a little more of zooming in on the image than the Ultimate Uncut Edition.SuperSaiyanPan wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 1:53 pm Well here you go Kbabz, I only did the first episode because it was late and I was tired.
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EFCJNNNU Crowd
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EF2CNNNU Goku Gohan
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EF2MNNNU Farmer
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/GKPPNNNX Radditz
It would appear the zoom on the 30th isn't too much more in certain shots and areas at least than the UUE itself. I will do the others when I have the free time.
Yeah, i think past that it's more or less the same amount of overall image and framing as the Dragon Boxes apparently based on the shots i've seen of later episodes.Tylerman29 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:20 pmAs far as we know the zooming is only on the first episode?SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 1:56 pmYeah, it appears judging by those shots that there is just a little more of zooming in on the image than the Ultimate Uncut Edition.SuperSaiyanPan wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 1:53 pm Well here you go Kbabz, I only did the first episode because it was late and I was tired.
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EFCJNNNU Crowd
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EF2CNNNU Goku Gohan
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EF2MNNNU Farmer
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/GKPPNNNX Radditz
It would appear the zoom on the 30th isn't too much more in certain shots and areas at least than the UUE itself. I will do the others when I have the free time.
Someone said the first episode is a lot more zoomed because of damage but the rest of them are fairly okay.SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:23 pmYeah, i think past that it's more or less the same amount of overall image and framing as the Dragon Boxes apparently based on the shots i've seen of later episodes.Tylerman29 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:20 pmAs far as we know the zooming is only on the first episode?SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 1:56 pm
Yeah, it appears judging by those shots that there is just a little more of zooming in on the image than the Ultimate Uncut Edition.
I had heard that's because the master that FUNi has for it apparently is by far much worse looking than the rest of the episodes.SuperSaiyanPan wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:28 pmSomeone said the first episode is a lot more zoomed because of damage but the rest of them are fairly okay.SuperSaiyaManZ94 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:23 pmYeah, i think past that it's more or less the same amount of overall image and framing as the Dragon Boxes apparently based on the shots i've seen of later episodes.Tylerman29 wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 2:20 pm
As far as we know the zooming is only on the first episode?
I just know it has been brought up before, i believe some mentions of it were made on the Dragon Box episodes of the podcast and perhaps also the one about the Level set from back in 2011.JohnnyCashKami wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:02 pm Well, if it's really damaged then we'd perhaps have seen evidence of it on the Level Set version and on the RAW screenshots that were shared.
IMO this is the best visual for why such heavy DNR is bad for DBZ. It erases the finer parts of the Nimbus lines and also removes details from the background art such as the cloud shading, the hills and especially in the leaves of the tree.SuperSaiyanPan wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 1:53 pm http://www.framecompare.com/image-compa ... n/EF2CNNNU Goku Gohan
LOVE LOVE LOVE IT! I've always wanted to have some sort of resource like this to compare every conceivable release of the show, considering how comparison-happy this fandom is due to how many releases there have been over there years. It's a shame there isn't really a good website for collating that many images.TheGreatness25 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:18 am So, I've gone ahead and compiled images of every US release of Dragon Ball Z for comparison purposes. I'm using the "raw" and 30th anniversary images from the link provided earlier, as references.
Now, for the Pioneer singles and the Rock the Dragon set, that particular scene did not exist; it was cut out. So I used the closest scene to it, which should reflect their color choices. Also, the orange brick screen was condensed to be 4:3 automatically when I took the screencap, so I artificially extended it to look as it was intended (in widescreen).
Hope you guys enjoy.
It's as if Funimation was trying to make it HDR ten years before it'd come to market!TheGreatness25 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:18 am On a side note -- I never really understood the hate for the Blu-ray season sets (outside of the obvious cropping)... until now. They are super, duper bright.
I've been of the opinion that yeah, you wouldn't want grain on your film footage unless you the director find it aethetically pleasing, so I understand the DESIRE to remove it. However it's well-established by now that taking the grain away actually removes the detail you're trying so desperately to reveal, so unless it's very light, there's no point using DNR, especially if you want it to look as squeaky-clean as modern digitally-animated anime. It's better to accept the product's age.TheGreatness25 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:13 am With regard to the grain removal, I can kind of see their logic. When you put pen to paper, you don't expect there to be grain, dirt, and dust. New animes certainly don't have that; they're very clean and streamlined. So with that in mind, I don't really see the necessity for grain (I mean as long as removing the grain doesn't remove detail that is), but the colors are a little hard to look at, especially by comparison. On its own, I never really had a problem with watching those Blu-rays. But by comparison, yeah, the best choices weren't made.