Is Bulma immoral

[Aim]

Every political thread ends up the same way, doesn't it?

At this point Mike should implement an off topic section where we can duke it out politically lol

[Yuji]

Every political thread ends up the same way, doesn't it?

At this point Mike should implement an off topic section where we can duke it out politically lol

Feels like a good and proper way of getting half the userbase banned, considering how these threads usually end.

[Aim]

Every political thread ends up the same way, doesn't it?

At this point Mike should implement an off topic section where we can duke it out politically lol

Feels like a good and proper way of getting half the userbase banned, considering how these threads usually end.

You mean in terms of disagreements or in terms of some people going mask off in some questionable beliefs?

[Yuji]

You mean in terms of disagreements or in terms of some people going mask off in some questionable beliefs?

I mean in terms of everyone getting too heated and breaking decorum and forum rules, regardless of their beliefs.

[JulieYBM]

The worst part is that this isnt a political thread.

Everything is political. Human experiences influence everything, after all.

[MasenkoHA]

To actually go back and answer the original question, Bulma gets nicer with age. 16 year old Bulma of the very beginning has "rotten teenager" as one of the most basic and fundamental foundations of her character (in a very endearing way that just makes her entertaining, of course). The 17 year old Bulma of the first Budokai and the Red Ribbon Army days has her moments and a selfish and bratty side (as opposed to the Pilaf arc, where it was less of a side and more like the whole thing ), but she's matured a lot. By the time she's a fully grown 20 year old adult in the 22nd Budokai she's basically just a straightforward good and caring person that gives little reason to criticize her morally.

Yeah, after a few readthroughs I realized that Bulma in general is just kind of a piece of shit until the 22nd TB . I forgot how she kinda foisted herself onto the Red Ribbon hunt and Goku telling her how useless she actually was in painfully blunt terms. For a long time she was straight Dee Reynolds status.

In the manga she did seem entertained by the fact that she was withholding information from a little boy that his grandpa’s memento would go flying across the planet after she got her wish. That…that was a real low point for her and I guess that’s why Toei omitted that part.

[Cure Dragon 255]

The worst part is that this isnt a political thread.

Everything is political. Human experiences influence everything, after all.

I was going to say that as well, thanks Julie.

[goku the krump dancer]

Btw Both She and Roshi were in the wrong, you cant place all the blame on him because he didn't physically force her to do it, nor was he using his prestige to persuade her. She BEGGED him for a cool gift because Goku had just gotten Kinto'un for helping Umigame. He made his proposal, she agreed, she didn't even notice he had the Dragon Ball until AFTER she flashed him. He gave it away thinking it was nothing until he over heard she and Goku mentioning its wish granting abilities. He asked for back and she flashed him several more times to convince him to let them keep it.

The problem is her age.

Her age was never brought up, Roshi just assumed she was a young adult. IRL it can be hard to differentiate a 21 year old from a 16/17 year old sometimes depending on how a person develops.

Parker Mckenna Posey is 25 but has looked like this for the past 7 or 8 years

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[MasenkoHA]

Btw Both She and Roshi were in the wrong, you cant place all the blame on him because he didn't physically force her to do it, nor was he using his prestige to persuade her. She BEGGED him for a cool gift because Goku had just gotten Kinto'un for helping Umigame. He made his proposal, she agreed, she didn't even notice he had the Dragon Ball until AFTER she flashed him. He gave it away thinking it was nothing until he over heard she and Goku mentioning its wish granting abilities. He asked for back and she flashed him several more times to convince him to let them keep it.

The problem is her age.

Her age was never brought up, Roshi just assumed she was a young adult. IRL it can be hard to differentiate a 21 year old from a 16/17 year old sometimes depending on how a person develops.

Parker Mckenna Posey is 25 but has looked like this for the past 7 or 8 years

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Where is the assumption that she’s a young adult? She clearly acts like a teen girl and Roshi has no reason to assume she’s an adult.

[goku the krump dancer]

She doesn't do anything distinctly "teenager-ish" so he had no reason not to assume.

[JulieYBM]

Yeah, this is why we ask for someone's age before things get too far along.

Of course, it's JUMP, so the culture there...you know.

[MasenkoHA]

She doesn't do anything distinctly "teenager-ish" so he had no reason not to assume.

I mean if someone is going to beg for a gift and looks young I’m gonna assume their child.

But also Julie’s right he probably should have asked her age first before asking to see her panties

[jjgp1112]

Every political thread ends up the same way, doesn't it?

At this point Mike should implement an off topic section where we can duke it out politically lol

And that is exactly why it won't happen.

The worst part is that this isnt a political thread.

Everything is political. Human experiences influence everything, after all.

"Everything's political" has always struck me more as an excuse more often than not. Kanzenshuu is quite literally the only Dragon Ball forum where I see discussions degrade into political conversations, and that wasn't even the case until 2 years ago anyway. There's a matter of deciding what's really appropriate and if the majority of the people you're even conversing with are even interested or prepared to have this conversation. Most of us are discussing some dumb kung-fu show we liked as kids that we somehow still keep up with.

I'll talk about the effects of capitalism and the black community in a thread for Snowfall. Not kung-fu comedy.

[BWri]

Don't start appealing to civility, you came off looking very bad and I jumped the gun, should I have thought through my response?

Pffft. I didn't come off looking bad. If anything, I came off looking lazy, but did say I would go into detail the next day. I didn't bother because of your nuclear post. All of your assumptions are in YOUR head which is why you went so hard. All you had to do was ask questions or wait for my response but you led with r*** defender which doesn't exactly lead to more discussion. Even this post, framing me a uncivil when there's nothing I've posted that should have given you that impression of me.

I would drill deeper because I have a lot to say on the topic of attraction/conquerors/etc, but judging from your last response (which you missed the point each and every time) it would be pointless and derailing of a topic that's already been derailed, so again, I'll leave it be.

The redpill community is known for using these terms such as "sexual selection" and adopting other scientific words to try push their agenda. This comes off as bad faith but I'll be charitable and assume you thought I didn't know this already.

There's nothing for you to be charitable about. I used a Darwinian term. Associating it with redpill is YOUR problem, not mine. I'm not sure how you don't recognize this, but there's no point trying to explain it to you either.

[goku the krump dancer]

She doesn't do anything distinctly "teenager-ish" so he had no reason not to assume.

I mean if someone is going to beg for a gift and looks young I’m gonna assume their child.

But also Julie’s right he probably should have asked her age first before asking to see her panties

Begging may be a sign of immaturity but adults do it all the time and there are plenty of teenagers who don't. The long and short of it is though they both were in the wrong for different reasons but ultimately got more than what they wanted in the end and it was played up for laughs so it really shouldn't be taken that seriously.

[JulieYBM]

"Everything's political" has always struck me more as an excuse more often than not. Kanzenshuu is quite literally the only Dragon Ball forum where I see discussions degrade into political conversations, and that wasn't even the case until 2 years ago anyway. There's a matter of deciding what's really appropriate and if the majority of the people you're even conversing with are even interested or prepared to have this conversation. Most of us are discussing some dumb kung-fu show we liked as kids that we somehow still keep up with.

I'll talk about the effects of capitalism and the black community in a thread for Snowfall. Not kung-fu comedy.

I'm probably going to sound accusatory with this post, then, and part of me wants to apologize (or at least, thinks I should apologize for something that might hurt peoples' feelings) but I find that this attitude is one that the majority of nerd culture/fandom/whathaveyou shares and it's something that continually makes it difficult for women, queer people and People of Culture (most specifically Women of Color, as we see in the cosplay side of fandom) to exist in and participate in. I mean, shit, this is a thread about how women are represented in a work of art and I've seen a loud contingency of men just...not deferring to women on the subject? This stuff really highlights the problems I myself have with fan culture and easily why I'm always so short-tempered in my posts. It's like talking to a brick wall.

I'm definitely due to just leave fandom behind at this point. I've been a member of this forum since I was a fifteen year old girl, for fuck's sake. I'm not obligated to wipe a bunch of grown mens' asses, after all. Really makes me hate being such an optimist and thinking I can make things better sometimes.

[Yuji]

Every political thread ends up the same way, doesn't it?

At this point Mike should implement an off topic section where we can duke it out politically lol

And that is exactly why it won't happen.

The worst part is that this isnt a political thread.

Everything is political. Human experiences influence everything, after all.

"Everything's political" has always struck me more as an excuse more often than not. Kanzenshuu is quite literally the only Dragon Ball forum where I see discussions degrade into political conversations, and that wasn't even the case until 2 years ago anyway. There's a matter of deciding what's really appropriate and if the majority of the people you're even conversing with are even interested or prepared to have this conversation. Most of us are discussing some dumb kung-fu show we liked as kids that we somehow still keep up with.

I'll talk about the effects of capitalism and the black community in a thread for Snowfall. Not kung-fu comedy.

Brilliantly put. I understand some folks' desire to voice their grievances with modern society through every possible avenue they can find, but I also urge those same folks to understand that the majority of people aren't aspiring to be cultural critics, they want to enjoy their escapist fantasy in peace and shouldn't be bothered by every thread or discussion being hijacked for political discourse (this thread is inherently political, so I'm not referencing this one specifically). At some point, one should realize that Dragon Ball is almost a 40-year old piece of art made by one man in the 80s in a rather traditionalist society - it is not going to reflect our personal beliefs perfectly, not then and not now. You either take the good with the bad or leave it. With the advent of all this progressive media of the last decade, you wonder why some folks who may understandably be obsessed with adequate representation don't just leave it and move on to something else.

[BWri]

Well, reality is our framework to have discussions about most things. So we compare these things with our own lived experiences. That's where the notion, everything is political comes from.

It was easier before because everything wasn't associated with ideology or political movements. We have much more of those nowadays spanning a much wider range of beliefs. As the world has changed so has the discourse. People's very identities are tied into these topics as are people's strongly-held beliefs. The charged nature of discussion is unavoidable because someone somewhere has strong personal feelings about something. The best we can do is treat opposing viewpoints in good faith, avoid mudslinging, and practice patience. Sensitivity is important too, always has been since I was a kid, though lately I feel as if we've been practicing being overly sensitive to the point discussions can't even be had.

Unfortunately, I don't see this changing much and its not necessarily a bad thing, societal-wise. I think it means we're heading in a good direction ... chaos before order and all that. People are just figuring out how to talk to one another again.

[JulieYBM]

Yeah, but the issue is in privileged people wanting to ignore politics and how art is a medium that reflects the politics and world of the creator.

[Yuji]

Yeah, but the issue is in privileged people wanting to ignore politics and how art is a medium that reflects the politics and world of the creator.

The issue is labeling people who want to take a perfectly valid formalist approach to art analysis as privileged regardless of identity or cultural background.