So how do you cram the 291 episodes of DBZ on 9 dvds?

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:04 pm

I was checking DBZ dvd auctions on ebay and found so called *licensed* non-bootleg set from Malaysia.

1. About the DVD : New Original, Licensed by Animedia Entertainment . Seal and authentication from Malaysia Goverment

I won't be linking to the auction, but you can probably find it through a little searching. If you divide 291 by 9, then that's around 32.3 episodes a disc. The old school TMNT dvds get away with 12-13 episodes a disc due to crappy compression, but I don't even wanna wonder how the quality with 32 episodes on a disc will look like.

I think it would be safe to say that encoding a youtube episode on dvd will be in better quality.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:08 pm

They're probably AHQ's 576x432 Xvid encodes. They've been mentioned here before by the infamous Gokuden.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:35 pm

SatoSky wrote:They're probably AHQ's 576x432 Xvid encodes.

Whats that?

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:38 pm

AVI files with a resolution of 576x432, with the video encoded in Xvid.

BrollysKin · Post by **BrollysKin** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:43 pm

Is it really bad quality? I know little of video formatting.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:56 pm

Well, I decided to give a go. Using 33 episodes, if we do the math we'll get roughly a bitrate of 1304 kbits/sec for the video while using 96 kbits/sec for the audio (which is what FUNI uses for their Japanese audio on some of the widescreen releases). This is assuming they maximize disc space. Taking those specs, I did a high quality re-encode of a DBox episode I have on my hard drive under those constraints (they may not have used good MPEG2 settings, so the their images could be worse). Here is a still of the the result/comparison:

What's wrong with 33 episodes per disc ?!?!?!

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:11 pm

On what releases did FUNi use 96kbps for their audio streams!? I've always seen it at 256kbps, but that's on the old 4:3 releases.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:17 pm

SatoSky wrote:On what releases did FUNi use 96kbps for their audio streams!? I've always seen it at 256kbps, but that's on the old 4:3 releases.

I have parts of the 4th Season Set ripped to my hard drive (same as the DBox screen shot above).

They have three audio streams-
English with original audio - 448 kbits/sec
English with US audio - 192 kbits/sec
Original Japanese Audio - 96 kbits/sec

This is consistent with all the raw episodes from that box set I have on my hard drive currently (episodes 118 thru 126 if we wish to be specific)

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:24 pm

Man that's horrible, and probably completely unnecessary.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:54 pm

ect5150 wrote: Original Japanese Audio - 96 kbits/sec

Maybe the sound is "widescreen"?

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:55 am

I guess Malaysia likes their anime blocky.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:01 am

Does it have the strange english dub on the set?

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:47 am

Wow, the guy has sold 44 items and has 100% positive feedback, he must have either been selling to some pretty ignorant people or some heartless bootleg supporters.

Also he's selling the entire DBGT series on 3 discs (22 eps. per disc).

And the entire DB series on 5 discs (31 eps. per disc).

Despicable!

*Note: Join me in reporting this item, as well as the sellers other evil bootlegs to the Ebay authorities!

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:16 am

Is it really a bootleg? I guess if it doesn't have their dub on it.

be the happy go lucky Saiyan.

Kula · Post by **Kula** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:15 am

I know it's been brought up before, but how many Blu Ray discs would it take for the whole series, if the entire series was encoded in standard definition?

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:15 am

That all depends on how those episodes will be encoded. If it's the same ol' MPEG-2 that we have now, with each episode clocking in at about 1GB, 25 episodes per Blu-ray disc. Single sided Blu-ray disc capacity is 25GB's right?

If we're talking about MPEG-4/AVC, I don't know. Maybe Corey can drop in and enlighten us, he seems to be plenty knowledgeable when it comes to the next-gen formats. Me? I shouldn't even be up at 4AM. I've got work later.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:10 am

This is a fun topic, could someone pm me the auction links?

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:48 am

That pseudo image compare makes me wonder who would actually want to buy bootlegs.

Seriously, if you want lots of episodes for cheap and don't particularly care about quality, FUNimation is serving you up a big officially licensed platter of it.

Kami-sama knows the Season Sets still look better than anything with 30+ episodes per disc.

Though this makes me reminisce about when FUNi had three grainy episodes per disc for like 30 bucks a pop. At that price / episode count, the quality should have been what the Dragon Boxes strive to be. But I bought into it because I was starved for Japanese DBZ.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:57 am

50 gigs to a single layer Blu-ray, actually. So with standard DVD encoding you could get a little over 50 episodes to a disc. (5 episodes on a standard DVD and they're a lless than 5 gigs.) Probably 52 or 55 or so.

Man that's horrible, and probably completely unnecessary.

It's mono. Mono doesn't have to be all that high since there's only a single audio stream. 96 kbps for mono is about right.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:21 pm

Xyex wrote:50 gigs to a single layer Blu-ray, actually. So with standard DVD encoding you could get a little over 50 episodes to a disc. (5 episodes on a standard DVD and they're a lless than 5 gigs.) Probably 52 or 55 or so.

Man that's horrible, and probably completely unnecessary.
It's mono. Mono doesn't have to be all that high since there's only a single audio stream. 96 kbps for mono is about right.

50 Gig Blu-Ray is the dual-layer, 25 Gig is single layer. Using the AVC codec to maintain the same quality, should be roughly 700 Megs an episode (give or take, this is really impossible to tell given we don't have the original source... although I can get perceivably-no-different encode at roughly 500 Megs an episode)
[Results to that claim: Pic1 : Pic2]

By my calculations, that comes in around 9 BluRay discs for the DBZ series.

Also, just for information, DBox singles uses 448 Kbits/sec for its audio (I know its just mono, and 96 is just fine)

Kanzenshuu

So how do you cram the 291 episodes of DBZ on 9 dvds?

So how do you cram the 291 episodes of DBZ on 9 dvds?

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