How would the Dragon Ball fandom react if Jiren were made into a gay man?

[JulieYBM]

Can't believe women (and some neat men) are like "plz don't joke about women's bodies if you're a man, that'sin poor taste considering the control cis men historically exert over our bodies and our lives in general" and some men (?) are like "no! Women need to be joked about becuse you have nothing valid to offer!"

[Kunzait_83]

but no need to spout off and call characters that dont fit modern beauty standards instantly ugly lol

But she is ugly. The fictional character doesn't need your protecting. She's ugly, she was drawn with the intention of her being ugly.

Holy shit! Jordan Peterson's been a Kanz poster all this time and no one ever told me?!

[MasenkoHA]

but no need to spout off and call characters that dont fit modern beauty standards instantly ugly lol

But she is ugly. The fictional character doesn't need your protecting. She's ugly, she was drawn with the intention of her being ugly.

But what IS the joke other than "Haha this woman doesn't fit societal beauty standards so she has no value ."? Why is that funny?

If 18 threw up upon finding out Kuririn has the hots for her because "lol short guy" would that be funny?

[JulieYBM]

Okay, let me write a serious post for a second: nobody's defending a fictional character here. We're saying that crass and careless depictions of women in media lead to perpetuating negative stereotypes about us. This goes for fat people in general, too, because it not only ignores the real world discrimination against fat people but also doesn't get at the core of the fact that a lot of people can have any number of reasons for why they're fat. Also, like, making fun of someone's looks is just fucked up in general.

The joke is not funny, it's ignorant and involves a bunch of men talking shit that they are not qualified to write about. That's bad.

Also, for fuck's sake, we don't need a sexual assault joke played off for laughs, especially in a a kids' comic. It's not fucking rocket science.

[DBZAOTA482]

The joke is that Roshi doesn't like fat women. In fact, people in general don't find fat people attractive. It's not offensive at all. It's reality.

Plus it's been established from the beginning Roshi doesn't like fat women so I don't mind that part.

My problem is that DBS made Roshi into a borderline rapist.

[DiloVortexx]

But she is ugly. The fictional character doesn't need your protecting. She's ugly, she was drawn with the intention of her being ugly.

i'm not protecting the character as a whole its more like i'm trying to say that calling fat women ugly (even if it was intention by the author anyways.. which is still like yikes...) is a bad take especially in this year
i understand that in reality this is a thing people say to us constantly otherwise (as much as i wish it wouldnt happen) but thats what makes it even worse to make these kinds of "jokes" in a general audience franchise such as dragon ball.

That's fine. The vast majority are not uncomfortable by the jokes. There's always someone somewhere who is uncomfortable over something. Writers can't constantly be walking on egg shells just because someone somewhere can't take a joke in a kids comic.

yes, but they also must consider that they will and are going to be rightfully criticized for making distasteful jokes at the expense of marginalized peoples of any kind, especially in the society we have now that is not only progressively growing more and more accepting towards people like me and others, but also more acutely aware of these kinds of topics that should be discussed and to call out people for being bigots, making Not Great Posts™ because of their internalized phobic shit or even if they make a mistake and are unaware that they wouldve said something that could offend

thats why we're even having this discussion in the first place anyway if we wanna think about it

Can't believe women (and some neat men) are like "plz don't joke about women's bodies if you're a man, that'sin poor taste considering the control cis men historically exert over our bodies and our lives in general" and some men (?) are like "no! Women need to be joked about becuse you have nothing valid to offer!"

god yeah thats what it really feels like whats going on rn ngl
like i have plenty of experience in talking about these kinds of things of course i'm a trans man that should tell you everything you need to know LOL

Holy shit! Jordan Peterson's been a Kanz poster all this time and no one ever told me?!

Spoiler:

now THIS is a fucking golden post
this thread turned from being a fun discussion about a characters sexuality, to the local circus clowning on a dude for trying to excuse

Spoiler:

rape

and fatphobic jokes to now a fucking riot of a thread revolving around said circus holy shit

Okay, let me write a serious post for a second: nobody's defending a fictional character here. We're saying that crass and careless depictions of women in media lead to perpetuating negative stereotypes about us. This goes for fat people in general, too, because it not only ignores the real world discrimination against fat people but also doesn't get at the core of the fact that a lot of people can have any number of reasons for why they're fat. Also, like, making fun of someone's looks is just fucked up in general.

The joke is not funny, it's ignorant and involves a bunch of men talking shit that they are not qualified to write about. That's bad.

Also, for fuck's sake, we don't need a sexual assault joke played off for laughs, especially in a a kids' comic. It's not fucking rocket science.

pretty much what i've been trying to say the whole time i've been contributing to this conversation yeah thank you julie

My problem is that DBS made Roshi into a borderline rapist.

EXACTLY like how is this so hard for others out here to grasp the concept of like... thats the major problem that started the whole debate in the first place because theyve made this his character trope in dbs AND THEY DONT PUNISH HIM FOR IT. WHICH IS THE WORST PART ABT IT LOL

LAST EDIT FOR THIS POST I SWEAR i just do not like seeing typos in my post + wanted to add on more to my points here while I'm at it as well:

I swear a number of you think being obtuse is a competitive sport and you're shooting for the gold.

ITS SO TRUEEE like please we are just asking to not be made fun of for once in our lives k thx ♥

[MasenkoHA]

The joke is that Roshi doesn't like fat women. In fact, people in general don't find fat people attractive. It's not offensive at all. It's reality.

Plus it's been established from the beginning Roshi doesn't like fat women so I don't mind that part.

My problem is that DBS made Roshi into a borderline rapist.

I swear a number of you think being obtuse is a competitive sport and you're shooting for the gold.

[DBZAOTA482]

The joke is that Roshi doesn't like fat women. In fact, people in general don't find fat people attractive. It's not offensive at all. It's reality.

Plus it's been established from the beginning Roshi doesn't like fat women so I don't mind that part.

My problem is that DBS made Roshi into a borderline rapist.

I swear a number of you think being obtuse is a competitive sport and you're shooting for the gold.

Sorry, ain't the one for being sentimental.

I don't think politically incorrect humor is a big deal... maybe I'm just desensitized.

How it's done is what I care about.

[Xeno Goku Black]

But what IS the joke other than "Haha this woman doesn't fit societal beauty standards so she has no value ."? Why is that funny?

What does her value have to do with anything? They were three attractive females that Roshi had a thing for. They fused and became a fat ugly monster and so now he didn't think it was cute. That's...the joke...it wasn't particularly clever or deep, it's just a simple gag. Value? She was of more use after becoming ugly so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

If 18 threw up upon finding out Kuririn has the hots for her because "lol short guy" would that be funny?

We don't need an "if". The same joke did happen in reverse. Bulma found Zarbon attractive and then he became a big ugly monstrosity and she found him repulsive which was also a joke.

[Xeno Goku Black]

i'm not protecting the character as a whole its more like i'm trying to say that calling fat women ugly (even if it was intention by the author anyways.. which is still like yikes...) is a bad take especially in this year

It's not that fat people ARE ugly it's that she was fat AND ugly. What does the year have to do with anything? If a character is ugly then they're ugly regardless of what year it is.

yes, but they also must consider that they will and are going to be rightfully criticized for making distasteful jokes at the expense of marginalized peoples of any kind, especially in the society we have now that is not only progressively growing more and more accepting towards people like me and others, but also more acutely aware of these kinds of topics that should be discussed and to call out people for being bigots, making Not Great Posts™ because of their internalized phobic shit or even if they make a mistake and are unaware that they wouldve said something that could offend

Oh....so it's all about politics again...shocking.

Practically the same argument people were using before with me. Theres apparently no purpose to introducing a gay character but one needs to be included anyway not for the sake of the show but because....it's the current year.

Now I'm being told that the jokes that have been told and gone both ways and made plenty of people laugh over many years is now unacceptable because....it's the current year.

Who are these people who are who reading a Dragon Ball kids comic and getting offended by the low level quick gags?

[Kunzait_83]

The joke is that Roshi doesn't like fat women. In fact, people in general don't find fat people attractive. It's not offensive at all. It's reality.

1) Someone's apparently never, ever looked at porn or been in a porn store or on a porn website, nor has ever hung around swingers or sex clubs or brothels of any sort: because there's a LOOOOOT of fat fetishists out there and a LOOOOOT of dudes who are REALLY turned on by heavy women in general. Like to ridiculous extremes. This is in NO way unusual or uncommon: you literally have to be living in a fucking hermetically sealed-off cocoon to not see that.

Anyone who claims with a straight face that "most people don't find fat women attractive" are literally just basing their entire worldview on incredibly superficial stereotypes from movies and fashion magazine covers and the like and has almost zero real world experience of any significant magnitude with dating, women, or sex.

2) Part of the reason that Jordan Peterson was (rightly and correctly) raked over the coals professionally (by most of his fellow academics I mean) for that above ridiculous tweet I posted earlier is because you don't have to look very far back in human history to see that fat/overweight women used to be considered THE idealized beauty standard that most men lusted after for a VERY large portion of human history.

The idea of a rail-thin, anorexic supermodel being the predominant beauty standard in mainstream society is in reality a VERY recent phenomenon that only goes back like, what... 50 years? Maybe around 60 or 70 years at most? There are literally some folks still alive today (albeit very elderly) who had lived during a time before that when fat women used to be generally regarded as hot and sexy as hell. That's how recent and not at all old this paradigm of "thin girl = beautiful" actually is.

Odds are, depending on how old some of you folks are, some of your grandparents (or great grandparents, if they're still kicking around) may well remember a time when men as a whole largely fantasized about/jacked off to the idea of a relatively heavyset, big-assed lady rather than some slender stick figure of a waif.

In fact, the further back in history you go, the fatter and plumper female beauty standards across society used to be: hell, there are ancient tribal cultures in the Paleolithic era who's idealized female form was what many would consider today to be almost morbidly obese. But you don't even have to go that far back: its pretty common knowledge that ancient Rome and Greece idealized fairly heavyset, fat women as goddess levels of beauty, as did much of the Italian Renaissance. Even looking back at the early turn of the 20th century, the earliest female models in the earliest days of photography were a GREAT deal heavier and thicker around the midsection than most models have been across just our own lifetimes now.

Peterson got REALLY humiliated for his ignorance on this (among plenty of other such topics) because he's supposed to be an academic and he apparently doesn't know incredibly basic points about human sociology across historical periods that even Joe Blow McDumbfuck like myself (or literally anyone who's taken motherfucking high school level Anthropology) knows more than well enough.

Hell, even just being a fucking Art History major is more than enough to impart the stone cold fact of human history that beauty standards have dramatically shifted a LOT in relatively recent years compared to what they used to be even just a century ago: otherwise a LOT of art who's entire purpose was depicting/enshrining "female beauty" that's existed going back to very ancient times millennia ago would not at all exist in the - often very heavy and round - form that it does.

The point is, cis/hetero men have historically found fat women to be a whole lot sexier than skinny women for a LOT longer across human history than they have the reverse (with skinny women being seen as more beautiful still being relatively new and recent in the grand scheme of things). And even today with the paradigm reversed, there are still a TON of cis/hetero men across the present day modern world who much prefer thick/plump women over skinny chicks. Hell, someone even once famously wrote a Billboard Top 20 hit rap song about it!

Its almost like you have to completely ignore/know absolutely jack shit about A) basic high school-level human history B) incredibly recent and very mainstream pop cultural history, C) not have ANY substantial real world life experience around sex and dating, and D) just generally be a completely gullible, horrifically sheltered, and dumber than a bag of rocks imbecile in order to find most of these "beauty standards" arguments that are hostile towards fat women to be remotely compelling in the slightest.

[8000 Saiyan]

I mean, there's nothing wrong with a gay character in an anime. The only people who find it wrong are the socially intolerant types.

[DBZAOTA482]

stuff

I haven't watch porn in months and never went to a strip club but the fact obesity was ever considered a standard of beauty is really problematic. It's killing more and more people each year and people like Tess Holiday are making the world a worse place with their horrible message.

There's nothing beautiful about shortening your life span.

I don't wanna hurt any feelings but I'd rather people cry than die.

[Kunzait_83]

Oh....so it's all about politics again...shocking.

Since this got just flatly ignored on the previous page, I'll repeat my two questions posed to you once again:

1) In your view, when is it ever permissible or ok to write a character that is gay, trans, non-binary, (and I guess now... *checks notes*... fat women who's presence in the story isn't primarily used for fat jokes?) or whatever without it being "pandering" or "PC" or "political"? What would the circumstances or context have to be for a fictional work (be it a movie, a comic book, a TV show, a cartoon, what have you) to include an LGBTQ (and now I guess fat?) character in it and have it be just... no big deal at all to you? What would it take or what would have to happen in the conception and execution of said character for you to just think "Yeah, ok, this is just whatever and not a huge issue"?

2) And a related point: do you consider the very existence of LGBTQ people - or for that matter just acknowledging the existence of LGBTQ people - to be an inherently political act or statement definitionally? If so, then why exactly is that? If not, then when is the presence or acknowledgement of LGBTQ people NOT political in nature?

And once again, anyone else here who feels similarly to Xeno Goku Black on these matters is perfectly welcome to chime in with their own answers to these questions as well.

Actually you know what? I'm going to add a third question that's even MORE basic and elemental to this topic:

3) Define what "politics" as a term means when you're talking about entertainment media like this? What exactly IS "politics" - in basic definition - within the context of nerd media like anime and manga (or just more broadly beyond that) in your view? And moreover, what specifically makes ANY presence of "politics" in a work of fiction inherently negative and worthy of distain? Is a work of creative art ONLY valid or good if it is somehow "non-political"? Why or why not? And what's an example of a work of media that is completely devoid of any politics in your view?

Just to make myself more clear here: I'm not in any way trying to pull some kind of a "gotcha!" here. I'm asking these questions sincerely and earnestly, because oftentimes when folks like yourself go on these tears about "politics is ruining my nerd shit!" and the like... I often honestly, on my grandmother's soul, don't even fucking know - on even just like a basic 2+2=4 chain of simple A leads to B leads to C logical thread - what exactly your problem here even is or how this stuff is in any way negatively impacting your life at all, to the point where it makes you so upset and defensive in these kinds of threads.

What even IS your definition of "politics" insofar as these sorts of topics go? Why are they bad when they're in a work of media, is it at all possible for them to be done well in a work of media (and if so, what are some examples?), do you think that there exists ANY form of media that isn't inherently political in some way (and if so, what are they?), and is it the mere existence or the acknowledgement of things like LGBTQ people (and... fat people apparently? at least sans fat jokes) that constitutes the presence of "politics" in something?

Like before we continue ANY of these kinds of discussions further: can we just get people's basic fucking definitions of these words and concepts that you all are so eagerly and casually throwing around (without seeming to understand what it is that they actually even mean)?

[DiloVortexx]

I don't think politically incorrect humor is a big deal... maybe I'm just desensitized.

How it's done is what I care about.

okay yeah thats also a fair point ngl i used to be a lot more desensitized to that kind of stuff when i was younger (blame the conservative side of my family being.. not great towards me in my life lol) but then got more sensitized again over time as i grew closer to my friend groups that are mostly from marginalized groups lol but its more of a point where instead of crying like a baby if you say some dumb shit to try to insult me ill just laugh at you instead and then attempt to help educate ya instead like what i've been doing in this thread

and same @ the last point too like i can laugh at dark jokes and find them very funny (hence why i enjoy stuff like uhhh helluva boss and hell even south park to an extent as examples) it just depends on how they're done to where they dont feel like they're meant to be offensive in a... really bad way if yknow what i mean lmao

extra point to this because i can.. that being said, being desensitized to that kind of humour is not an excuse to be phobic towards any marginalized peoples and i do wish people would understand that

But what IS the joke other than "Haha this woman doesn't fit societal beauty standards so she has no value ."? Why is that funny?

What does her value have to do with anything? They were three attractive females that Roshi had a thing for. They fused and became a fat ugly monster and so now he didn't think it was cute. That's...the joke...it wasn't particularly clever or deep, it's just a simple gag. Value? She was of more use after becoming ugly so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

We don't need an "if". The same joke did happen in reverse. Bulma found Zarbon attractive and then he became a big ugly monstrosity and she found him repulsive which was also a joke.

see the problem starts when you apply it more to characters with even more human characteristics like the criminal girl trio (sorry i cant be arsed to look up their names rn pls quote reply me with their names lol /half-joking) especially when you take the fact he tried to

Spoiler:

molest

all three of them in mind and then see how he had a reaction of heavy disgust, not just "oh that didnt expect that" or being a bit shocked but not hating on them for said appearance lmao

with zarbon at least i guess?? its a bit more understandable because thats an actual monster looking alien guy so ofc some people may understandably not be into that (i personally disagree with said take of not finding monsters hot bc hrngh the gay energy runs strong with this one but yknow.. thats just me) but then with the criminal trio it gets worse there because they look more like actual humans so having them fuse into a fat form that helps them in battle and having a character immediately make a shitty reaction about them in a way of "oh they're fat that means they're disgusting" instead of being simply shocked or taking the kuririn route where youre more surprised about the battle strategies that could come out of the new form.. idk, it just really rubs me the wrong fucking way espec. since most of the writers on the dbs manga are cishet men....

What does the year have to do with anything? If a character is ugly then they're ugly regardless of what year it is.

its the fact that the it's the 21st century now and there are still people out here who consistently shit on characters (and real people to add onto that) who dont fit the heteronormative body standards of our world in this year so ofc ill make a stink about it because well most of my friends are plus sized and dont.. really appreciate media making them and any of the rest of us the butt of a joke because "oh wow look at the big fat ugly woman xd"

Oh....so it's all about politics again...shocking.

and there it is lol
talking about our existence as human beings isnt politics hi

Practically the same argument people were using before with me. Theres apparently no purpose to introducing a gay character but one needs to be included anyway not for the sake of the show but because....it's the current year.

you dont need to have a queer character in your show to be likeable just a lot more shows lately have been adding more queer characters to make us feel more comfortable in our own bodies and to be even more normalized in the public eye
so yeah! it would be nice to see queer representation in dragon ball that isnt extremely negative and stereotypical please and hell if ended up being a pre-existing character like jiren then sure i wouldnt mind at all

Who are these people who are who reading a Dragon Ball kids comic and getting offended by the low level quick gags?

yes, its me, the people who are who reading a dragon ball kids comic and getting offended by the "low level quick gags" that in reality contribute to more harassment of marginalized communities and stereotyping they warned you about lol

holy hell incredible passionate post about history of plus sized people and how conventionally attractive they are i couldnt be bothered to put it all in spoilers sorry

holy shit this is all i wanted to say earlier and more to some of these posts yes
because yeah! society may have skewed towards fat people not being "Favourable" in recent years (which is omega cringe btw) but WAYYY back in the day fat people were actually seen way more beautiful and powerful symbols of gender and sexuality! thank you kun for writing down all of that because if you wouldnt have i probably wouldve eventually mentioned it LOL (and yes i do find fat people pretty and attractive myself really i find people of any body type attractive because i have no hate in my heart towards anyone for things they cant control,, now if ur a homophobic pizza shit on the other hand...)

I mean, there's nothing wrong with a gay character in an anime. The only people who find it wrong are the socially intolerant types.

finally another short post with some sense around here!! /LIGHTHEARTED JOKE

below contains another passionate kun post lol i actually bothered to spoiler

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Since this got just flatly ignored on the previous page, I'll repeat my two questions posed to you once again:

1) In your view, when is it ever permissible or ok to write a character that is gay, trans, non-binary, (and I guess now... *checks notes*... fat women who's presence in the story isn't primarily used for fat jokes?) or whatever without it being "pandering" or "PC" or "political"? What would the circumstances or context have to be for a fictional work (be it a movie, a comic book, a TV show, a cartoon, what have you) to include an LGBTQ (and now I guess fat?) character in it and have it be just... no big deal at all to you? What would it take or what would have to happen in the conception and execution of said character for you to just think "Yeah, ok, this is just whatever and not a huge issue"?

2) And a related point: do you consider the very existence of LGBTQ people - or for that matter just acknowledging the existence of LGBTQ people - to be an inherently political act or statement definitionally? If so, then why exactly is that? If not, then when is the presence or acknowledgement of LGBTQ people NOT political in nature?

And once again, anyone else here who feels similarly to Xeno Goku Black on these matters is perfectly welcome to chime in with their own answers to these questions as well.

Actually you know what? I'm going to add a third question that's even MORE basic and elemental to this topic:

3) Define what "politics" as a term means when you're talking about entertainment media like this? What exactly IS "politics" - in basic definition - within the context of nerd media like anime and manga (or just more broadly beyond that) in your view? And moreover, what specifically makes ANY presence of "politics" in a work of fiction inherently negative and worthy of distain? Is a work of creative art ONLY valid or good if it is somehow "non-political"? Why or why not? And what's an example of a work of media that is completely devoid of any politics in your view?

Just to make myself more clear here: I'm not in any way trying to pull some kind of a "gotcha!" here. I'm asking these questions sincerely and earnestly, because oftentimes when folks like yourself go on these tears about "politics is ruining my nerd shit!" and the like... I often honestly, on my grandmother's soul, don't even fucking know - on even just like a basic 2+2=4 chain of simple A leads to B leads to C logical thread - what exactly your problem here even is or how this stuff is in any way negatively impacting your life at all, to the point where it makes you so upset and defensive in these kinds of threads.

What even IS your definition of "politics" insofar as these sorts of topics go? Why are they bad when they're in a work of media, is it at all possible for them to be done well in a work of media (and if so, what are some examples?), do you think that there exists ANY form of media that isn't inherently political in some way (and if so, what are they?), and is it the mere existence or the acknowledgement of things like LGBTQ people (and... fat people apparently? at least sans fat jokes) that constitutes the presence of "politics" in something?

Like before we continue ANY of these kinds of discussions further: can we just get people's basic fucking definitions of these words and concepts that you all are so eagerly and casually throwing around (without seeming to understand what it is that they actually even mean)?

holy shit homie you didnt have to kill this man like that /lh /j

EDIT again bc i added an extra point + also more grammar edits I'm sorry i have kinda bad dyslexia:

He turned into a literal monster. That's not remotely the same as a fat women/short men are unattractive and undesirable partners and we should mock them.

Unless you know someone in real life that's a blue skin reptilian monster thing, then my apologies

*GASP* i will have you know i am the said (kinda has blue skin i mean look @ my sonas muzzle in my icon lmfao) blue skinned reptilian monster thing youre talking about!! i will have to take you to twitter now /VERY silly furry joke

but yeah being semi-serious for a moment, they spittin fax tho
like monsters in media are meant to be conventionally "unattractive" (subjective as hell term when youre a monster fucker or just average monster enjoyer on main like me HSDFUDFHGDFUHGUSDFHDFK) they're beasts. strange animals/creatures that are meant to represent different sides of humanity yknow??

fat people in media are supposed to not represent a monster. or at least they really shouldnt! but bigot authors like to equate the two or act like both are synonymous with each other when they're not

[MasenkoHA]

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What does her value have to do with anything? They were three attractive females that Roshi had a thing for. They fused and became a fat ugly monster and so now he didn't think it was cute. That's...the joke...it wasn't particularly clever or deep, it's just a simple gag. Value? She was of more use after becoming ugly so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Again, willfuly missing the point every single fucking time shouldn't be a goal for you guys.

We don't need an "if". The same joke did happen in reverse. Bulma found Zarbon attractive and then he became a big ugly monstrosity and she found him repulsive which was also a joke.

He turned into a literal monster. That's not remotely the same thing as a fat women/short men are unattractive and undesirable partners and we should mock them joke.


Unless you know someone in real life that's a blue skin reptilian monster thing, then my apologies

[MasenkoHA]

stuff

I haven't watch porn in months and never went to a strip club but the fact obesity was ever considered a standard of beauty is really problematic.

Overweight =/= obese. And someone being obese doesn't justify mockery. This faux compassion is tiresome.

It's killing more and more people each year and people like Tess Holiday are making the world a worse place with their horrible message.

Are you Tess Holiday's doctor? Why does everyone always think they're a health expert?

And telling people they shouldn't hate themselves is making the world a worse place because....?

I don't wanna hurt any feelings but I'd rather people cry than die.

"If I dress my fatphobia as compassion that makes it okay!"

If you genuinely think you have compassion for overweight people then why would you think mocking them in a children's comic or any depiction of media is in anyway helpful (when studies show the exact opposite)?

It's almost like you don't actually care about anyone's health.

[Xeno Goku Black]

see the problem starts when you apply it more to characters with even more human characteristics like the criminal girl trio (sorry i cant be arsed to look up their names rn pls quote reply me with their names lol /half-joking) especially when you take the fact he tried to

Spoiler:

molest

all three of them in mind and then see how he had a reaction of heavy disgust, not just "oh that didnt expect that" or being a bit shocked but not hating on them for said appearance lmao

with zarbon at least i guess?? its a bit more understandable because thats an actual monster looking alien guy so ofc some people may not understandable be into that (i personally disagree with said take of not finding monsters hot bc hrngh the gay energy runs strong with this one but yknow.. thats just me) but then with the criminal trio it gets worse they because they look more like actual humans so having them fuse into a fat form that helps them in battle and having a character immediately make a shitty reaction about them in a way of "oh they're fat that means they're disgusting" instead of being simply shocked or taking the kuririn route where youre more surprised about the battle strategies that could come out of the new form.. idk, it just really rubs me the wrong fucking way espec. since most of the writers on the dbs manga are cishet men....

What even is any of this? There is no problem. Nobody cares that Roshi found her to be unattractive. Nobody is crying about this at night, it's a quick gag and that's it. He thought they were ugly, if he wants to find them ugly then he can find them ugly. Not everyone is attracted to everything, you might be because apparently you can't even call a monster ugly now either but that's how attraction works. He doesn't find fat ugly monsters attractive....neither does the writer.

Who cares?

This is like that comment I saw on Twitter yesterday where someone complained because it said "two man delivery" and not "two person delivery".

Really who cares that much that they need to get all bent out of shape because Roshi saw a fused character and was like ...."ew"? And that's gotta be a whole thing? I must protect my friends who are most likely adults or adolescents from this quick gag in a children's comic?

its the fact that the it's the 21st century now and there are still people out here who consistently shit on characters (and real people to add onto that) who dont fit the heteronormative body standards of our world in this year so ofc ill make a stink about it because well most of my friends are plus sized and dont.. really appreciate media making them and any of the rest of us the butt of a joke because "oh wow look at the big fat ugly woman xd"

So bad jokes are bad because some overweight people might get offended because a 30 foot tall space alien that looks like Yunba was found to be unattractive in a comic that they have probably never read?

[Xeno Goku Black]

Again, willfuly missing the point every single fucking time shouldn't be a goal for you guys.

The silly question was answered. Nobody said anything about value.

He turned into a literal monster.

As opposed to the few dozen foot tall, several ton weighing, purple haired, cream coloured female fusion? Because that really resembled what a human being looks like.

Roshi never even commented about her being fat. All he said was "Now that ain't cute at all".

Don't tell me you're assuming you think he finds her unattractive because she's fat. That'd be fatphobic of you.

[DBZAOTA482]

And someone being obese doesn't justify mockery.

It doesn't.

But it doesn't mean fat jokes can't be funny.

Are you Tess Holiday's doctor? Why does everyone always think they're a health expert?

It's common knowledge obesity is unhealthy. The human body isn't meant to carry that much excess weight.

And telling people they shouldn't hate themselves is making the world a worse place because....?

Tess Holiday says you can be healthy and obese which is a flat-out lie.

"If I dress my fatphobia as compassion that makes it okay!"

If you genuinely think you have compassion for overweight people then why would you think mocking them in a children's comic or any depiction of media is in anyway helpful (when studies show the exact opposite)?

It's almost like you don't actually care about anyone's health.

Fatphobia? I have good friends who are fat and Fat Boo is badass (I was mad DBS made him a walking, talking fat joke). I just know being obesity is not something to be glorified. I used to be fat and I felt like shit. My weight also put extra strain on my injured ankle.

I don't think it's helpful but I'm not really concerned about the moral fibre (or lack thereof) of fictional work unless it's actively teaching something harmful.