Head of Dragon room Akio Iyoku stepped down!

[Zekken]

Its all here on Herms` twitter: https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1697088543926181928

Personally I hope the rights stay with Shueisha, not really for reasons Iyoku`s influence but rather leaving the franchise with an independent firm that lacks the trust or connections Shueisha has could hurt future opportunities.

Anyone else got a differing opinion?

[JulieYBM]

I don't think that Iyoku's plan will come to fruition, because it just seems like a big headache for everyone involved when the current system works perfectly fine for them. Why rock the boat?

That being said, I'm of the opinion that nobody should have rights to Dragon Ball and products based on it should belong to the public domain.

[TheGreatness25]

That being said, I'm of the opinion that nobody should have rights to Dragon Ball and products based on it should belong to the public domain.

Why is this your opinion?

[MasenkoHA]

While I wouldn't go as far as saying Dragon Ball should be public domain NOW it should be after Toriyama's death (although obviously it won't be). I 'm of the opinion that companies don't come up with ideas, people do. And while Dragon Ball wouldn't exist in ite most recognizable form without Torishima telling Toriyama "Make it more like Fist of the North Star"" it's still largely the brain child of Toriyama. After his eventual passing there is no moral or ethical reason for Shueisha and Toei to continue to own exclusive rights to his work. The sooner we stop treating corporations like people, the better.

[Hellspawn28]

Toryiama didn't say much because he probably sign a NDA.

[IntangibleFancy]

Is it true that Akio wanted to expand the franchise and maybe continue the anime, but Shueisha kept shooting him down and that, for some reason, they preferred to keep the franchise the way it is now?

I mean, it still makes money so (assuming this is true) it's not a bad business decision, but the only content we regularly get is from the gacha games, the bi-yearly DLCs for Kakarot and Xenoverse (and breakers) and the monthly manga.

And the manga is currently doing a recap of a movie that just dropped last year, and the video games are basically just reheating old content because they're not able to adapt the manga. So it kind of feels like the franchise is at a stand still right now.

[Toxin45]

Just want the anime back with Moro and Granolah animated

[JulieYBM]

That being said, I'm of the opinion that nobody should have rights to Dragon Ball and products based on it should belong to the public domain.

Why is this your opinion?

MasenkoHA sort of outlined what I was getting at, but I would argue further that Dragon Ball absorbs a dangerous amount of money into the hands of a very few people, and I believe that art ultimately belongs to the people and the treat it a commercial field does a disservice to all artists. I also simply don't have any sympathy for the wealthy people who control the franchise, but then turn around and commit terrible crimes against their employees, like workplace harassment, poor production schedules, and slave wages (practices performed by all three of the major companies involved in overseeing the franchise).

Dragon Ball has made Toriyama millions and made the Shueisha, Toei Animation and Bandai likely even more. It's not a big deal to suggest that, perhaps such a work should now belong to the people to do with as they please, and multi-million dollar corporations and individuals be offered a roll of one's eyes when they complain about losing their excluvisity over a 40 year old property.

[Alkiser]

That being said, I'm of the opinion that nobody should have rights to Dragon Ball and products based on it should belong to the public domain.

Why is this your opinion?

MasenkoHA sort of outlined what I was getting at, but I would argue further that Dragon Ball absorbs a dangerous amount of money into the hands of a very few people, and I believe that art ultimately belongs to the people and the treat it a commercial field does a disservice to all artists. I also simply don't have any sympathy for the wealthy people who control the franchise, but then turn around and commit terrible crimes against their employees, like workplace harassment, poor production schedules, and slave wages (practices performed by all three of the major companies involved in overseeing the franchise).

Dragon Ball has made Toriyama millions and made the Shueisha, Toei Animation and Bandai likely even more. It's not a big deal to suggest that, perhaps such a work should now belong to the people to do with as they please, and multi-million dollar corporations and individuals be offered a roll of one's eyes when they complain about losing their excluvisity over a 40 year old property.

I see what Young jijii has done in his doujin, and I already much prefer corporate rule to a million incorrect official fanfics.

[JulieYBM]

Why is this your opinion?

MasenkoHA sort of outlined what I was getting at, but I would argue further that Dragon Ball absorbs a dangerous amount of money into the hands of a very few people, and I believe that art ultimately belongs to the people and the treat it a commercial field does a disservice to all artists. I also simply don't have any sympathy for the wealthy people who control the franchise, but then turn around and commit terrible crimes against their employees, like workplace harassment, poor production schedules, and slave wages (practices performed by all three of the major companies involved in overseeing the franchise).

Dragon Ball has made Toriyama millions and made the Shueisha, Toei Animation and Bandai likely even more. It's not a big deal to suggest that, perhaps such a work should now belong to the people to do with as they please, and multi-million dollar corporations and individuals be offered a roll of one's eyes when they complain about losing their excluvisity over a 40 year old property.

I see what Young jijii has done in his doujin, and I already much prefer corporate rule to a million incorrect official fanfics.

one guy makes shitty art and now you want to pray on the alter of people who will stab you in the back for a penny lol that's dumb

(While we're on the subject of shitty artists, I would just like to say that I believe that all people—even the shitty artists of the world—deserve to not worry about paying the bills)

[TheGreatness25]

I'm sorry, but I can't agree. Art does have owners--the people who thought of it. In my opinion, it's so naive to try to take someone's creativity away from them. People make a living off of their art--they feed their families with it. Not just anyone makes millions--it takes exceptional talent to make that kind of money off of it. And I don't believe in punishing such exceptional talent by taking away their ability to make money with their art. If someone doesn't want to work for them, don't work for them. But at the end of the day, Dragon Ball created a lot of jobs and opportunities for so many people, which means a lot more than the alternative if all art would just be in public domain. What would be the point of that?

[Skar]

I think DB becoming public domain would be the same as what happened to Sherlock Holmes, King Arthur, etc. Every major studio would try to milk it while fans would only be able to afford low budget B movies like the new horror Winnie the Pooh. Free fanwork still exists for franchises protected by copyright so I think it mainly helps to prevent other studios from trying to cash in.

[Alkiser]

MasenkoHA sort of outlined what I was getting at, but I would argue further that Dragon Ball absorbs a dangerous amount of money into the hands of a very few people, and I believe that art ultimately belongs to the people and the treat it a commercial field does a disservice to all artists. I also simply don't have any sympathy for the wealthy people who control the franchise, but then turn around and commit terrible crimes against their employees, like workplace harassment, poor production schedules, and slave wages (practices performed by all three of the major companies involved in overseeing the franchise).

Dragon Ball has made Toriyama millions and made the Shueisha, Toei Animation and Bandai likely even more. It's not a big deal to suggest that, perhaps such a work should now belong to the people to do with as they please, and multi-million dollar corporations and individuals be offered a roll of one's eyes when they complain about losing their excluvisity over a 40 year old property.

I see what Young jijii has done in his doujin, and I already much prefer corporate rule to a million incorrect official fanfics.

one guy makes shitty art and now you want to pray on the alter of people who will stab you in the back for a penny lol that's dumb

(While we're on the subject of shitty artists, I would just like to say that I believe that all people—even the shitty artists of the world—deserve to not worry about paying the bills)

This is just one example from a sea of doujin diarrhea

[Cure Dragon 255]

MasenkoHA sort of outlined what I was getting at, but I would argue further that Dragon Ball absorbs a dangerous amount of money into the hands of a very few people, and I believe that art ultimately belongs to the people and the treat it a commercial field does a disservice to all artists. I also simply don't have any sympathy for the wealthy people who control the franchise, but then turn around and commit terrible crimes against their employees, like workplace harassment, poor production schedules, and slave wages (practices performed by all three of the major companies involved in overseeing the franchise).

Dragon Ball has made Toriyama millions and made the Shueisha, Toei Animation and Bandai likely even more. It's not a big deal to suggest that, perhaps such a work should now belong to the people to do with as they please, and multi-million dollar corporations and individuals be offered a roll of one's eyes when they complain about losing their excluvisity over a 40 year old property.

I see what Young jijii has done in his doujin, and I already much prefer corporate rule to a million incorrect official fanfics.

one guy makes shitty art and now you want to pray on the alter of people who will stab you in the back for a penny lol that's dumb

(While we're on the subject of shitty artists, I would just like to say that I believe that all people—even the shitty artists of the world—deserve to not worry about paying the bills)

This is a better argument for taxing the rich than it is for letting Dragon Ball be public domain. Then again taxing the rich is ALWAYS a good ideaa.

[8000 Saiyan]

I'm sorry, but I can't agree. Art does have owners--the people who thought of it. In my opinion, it's so naive to try to take someone's creativity away from them. People make a living off of their art--they feed their families with it. Not just anyone makes millions--it takes exceptional talent to make that kind of money off of it. And I don't believe in punishing such exceptional talent by taking away their ability to make money with their art. If someone doesn't want to work for them, don't work for them. But at the end of the day, Dragon Ball created a lot of jobs and opportunities for so many people, which means a lot more than the alternative if all art would just be in public domain. What would be the point of that?

Most socialists are naive in general.

[sangofe]

I wonder what this will lead to and if this is the main reason there still hasn't been a new Dragon Ball anime and why it was canceled in 2019. Maybe this will lead to it not coming back because Toriyama doesn't like what Iyoku did and all the drama and power struggle around it? Iyoku did use the name "Capsule Corp" without asking Toriyama about it. Maybe it will lead to new creativity and more productions? What are others opinions around that?

Personally I hope it can lead to more creativity and production but I really fear the opposite, too.