Another live action thread (yes, I know)

[ABED]

That isn't a soft reboot. The Bond movies prior to Casino Royale, Superman Returns, pretty much every Terminator after T3, or a bunch of the Halloween movies are soft reboots. It's not a hardline reset of all continuity but it does throw things out selectively. In your example, nothing is being changed or reset. It' just being new user friendly.

All that said, simplifying things after Goku wins the Tenkaichi Budokai is a good idea.

[WittyUsername]

For all its many faults, DBE had the right idea of blending the very first arc of the manga with the Piccolo Daimao arc. That’s a good way of streamlining the story, without starting off with the Saiyans. It does mean removing the Red Ribbon Army, which would affect Dr. Gero’s motivation if they ever got around to adapting him, but there are ways to work around that.

Alternatively, I suppose they could do what the 10th anniversary film did, and start off with the RRA. They could even include Dr. Gero in the story, thus setting up his eventual return.

[GhostEmperorX]

DBZ can be watched without watching OG DB and it time skips up enough that it starts a new plot.

No. Not when you still have carry-overs from the old series. It's no "new plot" without all the previous elements that were crucial in the first series onward.
In other words, the new developments only have meaning with the context of the previous series.
Sorry, but production order still reigns supreme.

[mecha3000]

DBZ can be watched without watching OG DB and it time skips up enough that it starts a new plot.

No. Not when you still have carry-overs from the old series. It's no "new plot" without all the previous elements that were crucial in the first series onward.
In other words, the new developments only have meaning with the context of the previous series.
Sorry, but production order still reigns supreme.

Ah, I just love how we're no longer arguing over whether or not we should even get a live-action adaptation again, but now whether to start with the Pilaf Arc or Saiyan Arc. It's a nice change of pace. The dark days of Evolution defining anime adaptations have finally passed us.

Honestly, I don't care which arc/series they start with. I just wants me some live-action Dragon Ball. I wonder when this would release if it's indeed coming in the wake of One Piece Netflix (which hopefully did well enough to warrant more anime adaptations).

[ABED]

Ah, I just love how we're no longer arguing over whether or not we should even get a live-action adaptation again,

Who was arguing if it couldn't be done. I would still argue that it shouldn't be done. At least One Piece does the lord's work of reducing that behemoth to something far more manageable. With DB, I don't see what's gained in live action.

[JulieYBM]

The interesting thing about making a good television series is that you don't need to make it faithful to the source material. The Saiyan arc can work as an opening arc, so long as the crux of the core drama is met. What is the core of the Saiyan arc? I don't think it's necessarily a bunch of already forgotten about characters, but rather Son Gohan's story, and at best, also Piccolo's story.

That all being said, an eight hour season still have plenty of room to simply develop the characters that do die before their deaths. You can do a lot with eight hours of television.

[miguelnuva1]

DBZ can be watched without watching OG DB and it time skips up enough that it starts a new plot.

No. Not when you still have carry-overs from the old series. It's no "new plot" without all the previous elements that were crucial in the first series onward.
In other words, the new developments only have meaning with the context of the previous series.
Sorry, but production order still reigns supreme.

So how do the majority of Americans do so in the 90's.

My entire family still loves DBZ, only my brother and I went back and watched OG DB.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Ironically I realized that this is "thanks" (Or at least was less of a problem due to) to censorship. Since the Saban dub really neutered all the death in the Saiyan saga, sans Piccolo which as was said before we did have a chance to attach to via his redemption and friendship with Gohan, all the others deaths didnt really have much of an impact anyway so it wasnt an issue.

I am probably mistaken, because not everyone watched the Saban dub but this is a thing I wanted to talk about but since I was a moron and did a moronic thread I am mentioning this here.

Also I am super glad to see you again mecha3000! I hope your dream projects come true like they did for me.

[ABED]

DBZ can be watched without watching OG DB and it time skips up enough that it starts a new plot.

No. Not when you still have carry-overs from the old series. It's no "new plot" without all the previous elements that were crucial in the first series onward.
In other words, the new developments only have meaning with the context of the previous series.
Sorry, but production order still reigns supreme.

So how do the majority of Americans do so in the 90's.

My entire family still loves DBZ, only my brother and I went back and watched OG DB.

You can literally watch the episodes without going back due to the plot sufficiently simple, but Stories are more than just plots. It's not impossible to watch it without starting from the beginning as most shows were prior to streaming.

[MasenkoHA]

DBZ can be watched without watching OG DB and it time skips up enough that it starts a new plot.

No. Not when you still have carry-overs from the old series. It's no "new plot" without all the previous elements that were crucial in the first series onward.
In other words, the new developments only have meaning with the context of the previous series.
Sorry, but production order still reigns supreme.

So how do the majority of Americans do so in the 90's.

My entire family still loves DBZ, only my brother and I went back and watched OG DB.

You can also jump straight into the Artificial Human saga and be okay but you probably wouldn't recommend it

[Hellspawn28]

With Naruto Shippuden, no one is ever like "Skip Naruto and go straight to Shippuden". Meanwhile, people are like "You can skip DB and got straight to DBZ".

[GhostEmperorX]

With Naruto Shippuden, no one is ever like "Skip Naruto and go straight to Shippuden". Meanwhile, people are like "You can skip DB and got straight to DBZ".

Wasn't going to say anything else in this thread, but this is exactly one of the things I was thinking about recently, and it just so happens to be yet another page the staff of Naruto itself ripped straight from DB (while the manga name also remains the same).
And in like manner, the last portions of the 1st significant pre-timeskip era set up more than one element of the post-timeskip series that gets something else tacked on to the anime title (Shippuden/Z).
There's also numerous other examples of continuation series that need the first iteration to work so that's another set where the "skip" mentality doesn't work.

[JulieYBM]

No. Not when you still have carry-overs from the old series. It's no "new plot" without all the previous elements that were crucial in the first series onward.
In other words, the new developments only have meaning with the context of the previous series.
Sorry, but production order still reigns supreme.

So how do the majority of Americans do so in the 90's.

My entire family still loves DBZ, only my brother and I went back and watched OG DB.

You can also jump straight into the Artificial Human saga and be okay but you probably wouldn't recommend it

With Naruto Shippuden, no one is ever like "Skip Naruto and go straight to Shippuden". Meanwhile, people are like "You can skip DB and got straight to DBZ".

Well, what is the story and central character arc if skip earlier arcs? If we skip to the Artificial Humans arc the story can very easily be from Future Trunks' POV. We see his youth in the desolate future, his hubris in trying to fight alone, his humiliation ilagainst the Artificial Humans, and then his triumph in accepting help from others and traveling to the past to get help. I don’t think it is necessary to have those other arcs if you simply make Trunks the central focus.

Or with Son Gohan during the Saiyan arc: we see his maturation, his dealing with his lot in life, and what kind of person he decides to become. Make a Saiyan arc adaption that a Gohan piece.

Pick a central theme and character arc and centralize it within the series and go from there. A perfect panel-for-panel replication of all of the arcs from the top 1984 comic is not necessary.

[ABED]

Is that how you see Trunks' story? He has hubris and only succeeds when he allows others to help?

I don't think anyone is asking for a panel for panel adaptation, but the theme of self-improvement should be present in any adaptation since that's the theme of the original story.

[miguelnuva1]

No. Not when you still have carry-overs from the old series. It's no "new plot" without all the previous elements that were crucial in the first series onward.
In other words, the new developments only have meaning with the context of the previous series.
Sorry, but production order still reigns supreme.

So how do the majority of Americans do so in the 90's.

My entire family still loves DBZ, only my brother and I went back and watched OG DB.

You can also jump straight into the Artificial Human saga and be okay but you probably wouldn't recommend it

You very well can but is it as easy to pick up as starting with the saiyan arc. DBZ is made 1000x better by watching DB first but the saiyan arc re introduces everyone in a way the Android arc doesn't.

[Jord]

This topic reminds me of this gem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx-E9pz ... roductions

Yeah, DBZ doesn't look weird in real live at all. I stand corrected.

[mecha3000]

Ah, I just love how we're no longer arguing over whether or not we should even get a live-action adaptation again,

Who was arguing if it couldn't be done. I would still argue that it shouldn't be done. At least One Piece does the lord's work of reducing that behemoth to something far more manageable. With DB, I don't see what's gained in live action.

DUDE, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? Every time I made a post prior to Netflix One Piece, my suggestion would be IMMEDIATELY shot down. Look at this forum if you want proof: viewtopic.php?t=47525

That post I linked certainly isn't as open-minded as this current one. I think I made another post that also got shot down. And also, NETFLIX ONE PIECE SEASON 2 IS CONFIRMED!!! And even Oda acknowledged its success and that fans are liking it, so NO MORE EXCUSES for why live-action Dragon Ball can't happen. You're beating a dead horse at this point.

[ABED]

Ah, I just love how we're no longer arguing over whether or not we should even get a live-action adaptation again,

Who was arguing if it couldn't be done. I would still argue that it shouldn't be done. At least One Piece does the lord's work of reducing that behemoth to something far more manageable. With DB, I don't see what's gained in live action.

DUDE, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? Every time I made a post prior to Netflix One Piece, my suggestion would be IMMEDIATELY shot down. Look at this forum if you want proof: viewtopic.php?t=47525

That post I linked certainly isn't as open-minded as this current one. I think I made another post that also got shot down. And also, NETFLIX ONE PIECE SEASON 2 IS CONFIRMED!!! And even Oda acknowledged its success and that fans are liking it, so NO MORE EXCUSES for why live-action Dragon Ball can't happen. You're beating a dead horse at this point.

I'm not beating anything. I still don't think it needs to happen. The way you're pushing it feels like you need this to happen as some form of validation. I'm looking at the linked thread and there's a lot of what I was saying "It can happen, but it won't neccessarily be good"

As for success, hard to tell given the lack of transparency of streaming numbers. Not that it matters to me as I'm not an investor. I simply just want any show to be good. So much of DB's charm comes from the visuals.

[mecha3000]

Who was arguing if it couldn't be done. I would still argue that it shouldn't be done. At least One Piece does the lord's work of reducing that behemoth to something far more manageable. With DB, I don't see what's gained in live action.

DUDE, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? Every time I made a post prior to Netflix One Piece, my suggestion would be IMMEDIATELY shot down. Look at this forum if you want proof: viewtopic.php?t=47525

That post I linked certainly isn't as open-minded as this current one. I think I made another post that also got shot down. And also, NETFLIX ONE PIECE SEASON 2 IS CONFIRMED!!! And even Oda acknowledged its success and that fans are liking it, so NO MORE EXCUSES for why live-action Dragon Ball can't happen. You're beating a dead horse at this point.

I'm not beating anything. I still don't think it needs to happen. The way you're pushing it feels like you need this to happen as some form of validation. I'm looking at the linked thread and there's a lot of what I was saying "It can happen, but it won't neccessarily be good"

As for success, hard to tell given the lack of transparency of streaming numbers. Not that it matters to me as I'm not an investor. I simply just want any show to be good. So much of DB's charm comes from the visuals.

I didn't mean you in general. More so a lot of the forum in general. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Its not really validation I'm looking for, I just want everyone on here to be more open-minded when it comes to live-action anime, especially in the wake of Netflix One Piece, which most fans seem to be enjoying. But also, I'd be lying if I didn't say it's annoying to see everyone suddenly change their tune after One Piece did well. But hey, I can't complain if this is exactly what I wanted, right?

[OmegaRockman]

This has to be the most active this forum has been discussing the possibilities for live-action Dragon Ball. Thank you, Netflix (and Oda)!!! In any case, I'm just glad I'm not hitting a brick wall on here talking about live-action DB anymore. Honestly, I'm going to get flak for this, but I think the second half of Dragon Ball (Z) should be prioritized over the first, when a live-action project inevitably happens. Let's be honest with ourselves, Z is still the most iconic anime series in Dragon Ball, which means it has the greatest chance for success.

Also, despite coming out almost 15 years ago, Evolution tried adapting early DB already. I think early DB should be adapted as a Netflix series while Z gets the theatrical treatment. Ideally, both should release simultaneously or around the same time. I know how everyone on this forum is regarding the importance of early DB and I agree, but I guarantee a live-action trailer showing Goku and Piccolo fighting the Saiyans will generate more interest than a movie trailer about Goku and Bulma searching for the Dragon Balls together.

I also think the Z portion should get six movies:

1. Dragon Ball: Z - First movie briefly recaps Dragon Ball and Bardock, similarly to Kai episode 1. Extended sequence showing how Goku met Bulma and the context of what the Dragon Balls are. Toriyama manga-inspired motion panels showing Goku's adventures up until Goku vs. Piccolo Jr, shown in live-action. Goku wins, gets married and we move ahead five years (where Goku is a radish farmer missing the old days). Goku and Gohan's bond is expanded slightly, making their separation and reunion more meaningful. Gohan introduced/kidnapped at Kame House. Radtiz fight is covered mostly the same. Goku and Radtiz die. Piccolo takes and trains Gohan, forming a bond together. Krillin (a cop now) and Bulma round up Yamcha (baseball player) and Tenshinhan (on a training journey) out of retirement to train with Kami. Bulma and Roshi look for the Dragon Balls as an odd duo, giving us a Hunt for the Dragon Balls Arc in this movie. Goku finds and trains with King Kai/Kaio and is wished back. Yamcha, Tenshin, and Chaozu die and Goku returns, fighting Nappa and Vegeta. Movie ends with a bittersweet victory and Gohan, Bulma, Krillin, AND Goku (who leaves with them in this version to avoid overusing the Goku Time trope) leave for Namek. Freeza is shown in mid-credits scene.

2. Dragon Ball: Battle of Namek - Adapts Freeza Arc with some changes. This might be controversial, but maybe here Gohan dies instead of Krillin to throw the fans off? Eh, maybe not. Ends with Goku seemingly dying, but Shenron reveals he's alive. Mid-credits teases Gero building the androids.

3. Dragon Ball: The Artificial Humans - Adapts everything up to the battle with 17 and 18. Maybe, in this version Cooler and King Cold accompany Freeza to Earth before Trunks kills them all (or maybe Goku returns in time to blast Cooler into the sun). And perhaps, Androids 13, 14, 15, 21 (being based on Gero's wife), and maybe 8 factor into the story somehow. Gero and 16's backstory as father and son explored. Mid-credits reveals Imperfect Cell in a lifeless city.

4. Dragon Ball: The Cell Games - Cell introduced, absorbs 17 and 18. Sets up Cell Games and Gohan defeats him as a SSJ2 as we all know.

5. Dragon Ball: The Majin Mark - Adapts everything up until Vegeta's sacrifice. Maybe in this version Babidi forces the Dragon Team/Z-Fighters into a battle royale with the ultimate goal of reviving Boo, which can replace the pointlessness of the Tenkaichi Budokai and offer greater stakes. Maybe Gohan fights Dabra in the tournament instead of at Babidi's ship (same with Goku vs. Yakon and Vegeta vs. Pui Pui).

6. Dragon Ball: Farewell - Adapts the rest of the Boo Arc with minor changes. Maybe Kakarot is changed to Kakarotto to make Vegetto make sense.

Maybe the Freeza Arc could get one more movie to bring the total to 7 for 7 Dragon Balls (Although, I don't think it needs it with Movie 1 already being Part 1 of the sequel, in a way). And everything in the manga should take priority over GT, Battle of Gods, Super, etc.

I agree with doing the 7 for 7 Dragon Balls thing with an extra movie for the Freeza Arc. Saiyan-Freeza as a trilogy would be a fantastic way to kick off the franchise. I also think you could do a DB trilogy to start off with before doing the initial Z trilogy, though doing it as a Netflix show is also a solid idea.

I was thinking movie/season 1 would be a hybrid of Path to Power and Legend of Shen Long, with the Red Ribbon Army wrecking the village instead of Gurumes's army. I'd also change Pansy to Chichi, with the village attacked being Gyumao's. I'd also have Pilaf and his gang be bumbling side villains who somehow use the chaos of the battle to summon Shen Long, only for Oolong to interrupt them with his wish at the end (dunno if I'd still go with panties, but that way we set up Pilaf to bring back Piccolo later on and still reference the original ending to the arc).

The second movie/season would take a lot from the 21st and 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arcs and Mystical Adventure. In fact, I'd probably do an almost straight adaptation of Mystical Adventure but use the extra runtime to add Goku and Kuririn training and not have Chaozu be the little prince (not that it wasn't a great reimagining for the film, but because it wouldn't make much sense for him to always go on training journeys with Tenshinhan and eventually fight and die in the Saiyan Arc).

The final would be an adaptation of Piccolo Daimao. Basically we would do Evolution right, and I think we'd combine the Piccolos into one character. Either that or Piccolo Junior would be introduced with the Saiyan Arc adaptation.

It may feel a bit fast tracked for people who like the manga version of events, but I think this is a solid way to cover all of OG DB in a concise movie trilogy. The OG DB films really do provide an incredibly solid blueprint that we can work from. I'd also toy with the idea of casting a young actor for Goku who, depending on how long the production timeline takes, can grow up with the role and eventually continue to play him well into adulthood, but that wouldn't be possible if we went with your idea of doing DB as a series and Z as movies simultaneously. But it's a thought nonetheless.