Vorige Waffe wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 4:19 pm
Yeah, and that's not remotely theft. Or illegal. They had
a family connection that allowed them to
more easily promise they could make Dragon Ball a success
These two have zero relation to each other, especially that they had to rely on other established companies/licensees to do a bunch of things for them before they eventually separated from all of them.
(They also got rejected the first time so there's no merit at all to their gaining the license.)
as opposed to US Renditions, who were just as amateurish in regards to releasing anime as they only had experience in releasing anime on home video and not brokering any TV deals. Not to mention whatever talks US Renditions had with Toei would be scuttled once they were bought out by Manga Entertainment circa 1994, leaving a void for Fukunaga an co. to come in.
Don't know what part of that signifies "amateur" for you, but ok. Gonna need a source for that claim all the same though.
The only area that may have been a problem however is when a requirement to air the show on US TV would come up.
BootyCheeksJohnson wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:38 pm
Not entirely sure about Viz due to how they've handled the manga the past 2+ decades
Was about to mention before 6 posts above this one, but their anime reputation was a lot different from the manga side. Ranma 1/2 for one.
Kunzait_83 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:13 pm
And frankly so far, everyone in this forum who has tried to make a case or argument against this have been people who have proven themselves to have close to ZERO substantive knowledge (or frankly even any real interest or basic-most intellectual curiosity) about the history of U.S./English anime/manga licensing that either predates the early 2000s or that is outside of children's network television. Or both.
If all of your base of knowledge and reference about this sort of topic is centered around post-2000s anime licensing and/or network kids TV anime licensing, you are simply fundamentally ill equipped to have any real insight into this topic, as the history of U.S./English language anime licensing is VASTLY bigger than that. And it is well within this MASSIVE historical blindspot of this fanbase in which this whole "how would DB have faired had a company like Pioneer or Viz been the license holder from day one" topic firmly resides.
Personally, I would say the same about those who give Funimation a pass for cropping a pre-Y2K series to 16:9 (or worse, try to defend it), among other disastrous home release decisions. Also those who try to divorce the series from its original time period as well as scene, and transplant it to at least half a decade or more later.
I do have to say though, for those of us who aren't even from the US (like myself), a lot of this info can be quite hard to come by if you don't have any good reference points for a lot of it. At least for me, since I usually saw many disparate snippets of niche, retro content types here and there on the net, not knowing where they came from (i.e. the existence of licensing companies in the US that handled non-mainstream material, providing subtitles or even dubs for them, e.g. Taiho Shichauzo/You're Under Arrest!), it took diving deep into retroland (pre-Y2K) to find circles or niches where people actually know and have experience with such areas, or physical media collections of titles and other media from licensing companies along that line of material (they're all typically above average users).
I may have learned how to read Japanese and how to parse JP content I read, as well as what kinds of anime titles made it to Europe in older decades, but the US anime licensing scene was still a huge blind spot.
Honestly, I don't think that those who don't care for these aspects or for finer details such as citations and the like will be able to gain that perspective on this matter, guess the best thing to do is ask them for a source whenever they repeat the usual inaccurate claims.
Come on guys: don't force me to do a "Wuxia Thread"-like gigantic historical breakdown of THIS too. I shouldn't have to (just like I shouldn't have had to do it for Wuxia either), you're all big boys and big girls who know at least a rudimentary degree of Google Fu or even Wiki Kwan Do. Take fucking, I dunno... ten minutes out of whatever portion of your days you spend absorbing/studying animation studio and kids TV trivia or Pokemon/Sonic the Hedgehog shit to look this stuff up. Its not in any way hard to find or come across (just like Wuxia wasn't/isn't).
It would be welcome if you did, personally speaking. At the least it would put a lot of what I may have known (or not known) into perspective. It's also one of the main reasons a site like this exists, and despite its topic requirement, I believe it's always extremely important to set the contemporary stage (products, licensing companies, overall standards in a medium, etc) to discuss in what ways it may have impacted or been relevant to DB, and vice versa. Especially since there's sites even better than this one at cataloguing such information (generally speaking) and sorting every detail of it accurately.
Ironically, for a lot of those topic samples you brought up, the best sources they might have for stuff like that pretty much amount to Fandom wikias and other user-editable sites that often lack (compulsory) citations for things that may require them (even if the info may be accurate).
Since you delved a bit into the hypothetical licensee discussion though... how would the good (or at least solid) options have gotten around the requirement that Toei had to air the show on US TV?
Totally missed this, but Macek was only contracted by Harmony Gold, he didn't own it (that would be Frank Agrama).