Also because people would keep surviving impalement in that arc, I miss when injuries were taken very seriously in the series. Like Goku getting his bones crushed against VegetaMajin Buu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:44 pmAgreed. I honestly found it a bit distracting that Goku Black kept impaling people with not a drop of blood in sight. It makes the fighting feel too...sanitized. Too clean.
It also just looks weird. Like, when people get stabbed, they're supposed to bleed out to some degree. That Goku and Vegeta don't when they get stabbed makes them feel less like people and more like living action figures or something.
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I feel like Daima will be like the Kamen Rider Kuuga of DB with both of them being based on beginning concept ideas and released after their creator died.
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That is a different situation. What bothers you is that the scene has more gore originally, they just choose to remove it.kemuri07 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:18 pmTBF: I think the censoring robs some of the fights of their intensity. Like, I’ve always hated how every recreation of the “Full Nelson!” sacrifice censors Piccolo’s attack going through Goku. And I do think it does take away from Goku’s sacrifice a bit.SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:50 am I also don't see why some people need blood and gore to enjoy a Dragon Ball series.
Most of Super's fights are not conceived with blood drops or gore. That is the point. The Story never attempts to present those fights as particularly gory or brutal. Ultimately the Story simply chose a less-brutal direction for most of the fights.
This is wrong. We do have drops of blood being shown when Black impales Vegeta and Trunks individually:Majin Buu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:44 pmAgreed. I honestly found it a bit distracting that Goku Black kept impaling people with not a drop of blood in sight. It makes the fighting feel too...sanitized. Too clean.
It also just looks weird. Like, when people get stabbed, they're supposed to bleed out to some degree. That Goku and Vegeta don't when they get stabbed makes them feel less like people and more like living action figures or something.
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Injuries are taken seriously though. Some notable examples from the Zamasu arc:tonysoprano300 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:52 pm Also because people would keep surviving impalement in that arc, I miss when injuries were taken very seriously in the series. Like Goku getting his bones crushed against Vegeta
- In episode 56, when Black stabs Vegeta (pictured above), Vegeta is taken out for the remainder of the fight.
- In episode 57, when Black oneshots Trunks and Goku with Rosé Kamehameha, they are taken out of the fight and need to escape to the past with the help of Yajirobe and Mai (giving focus to side characters; another plus of Super).
- In episode 65, when Fused Zamasu oneshots Vegeta while aiming for Trunks, Vegeta is taken out for the remainder of the fight.
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Only one of those four images has any blood you don't have to squint to see, and the blood in the Trunks picture is so faint that it barely even looks like blood (it looks more like he's coughing up mud).SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:56 pm This is wrong. We do have drops of blood being shown when Black impales Vegeta and Trunks individually:
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dragonballhero wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:23 amNgl, I've had a similar thought. Come to think of it... after Broly seemed to tie into the Saiyan and Frieza arcs, and Super Hero more-or-less tied into the Red Ribbon Androids arc, I suppose it would only be fair that SOME sort of modern-day major DB content would end up tying into the Majin Buu arc.Majin Buu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 8:54 pm This is just speculation, but in light of recent events, I wonder if Daima is the way it is because Toriyama went into it knowing it would likely be the final Dragon Ball thing he worked on. Daima heavily drawing from the Buu arc, the final arc of the manga, based on what we've seen thus far would make a lot of sense if so.
Though it's just as possible that Daima is using the Buu arc as a basis simply because the last big Toriyama written thing drew heavily from the Cell arc and it coinciding with his death was a complete coincidence.
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Except it's more of a Disney trilogy "rhyme" than a prequel "rhyme." lol
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Yeah this is just moving goalposts.Majin Buu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:02 pmOnly one of those four images has any blood you don't have to squint to see, and the blood in the Trunks picture is so faint that it barely even looks like blood (it looks more like he's coughing up mud).SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:56 pm This is wrong. We do have drops of blood being shown when Black impales Vegeta and Trunks individually:
You said "Goku Black kept impaling people with not a drop of blood in sight". That is what you said. You are wrong.
There are already enough problems to criticize about Super (as with any series, by the way, not just Super) without inventing non-existent ones.
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To be fair, people surviving impalement has already happened in Cell arc. I've remember Yancha survived Dr. Gero impaling his chest with an arm.tonysoprano300 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:52 pm Also because people would keep surviving impalement in that arc, I miss when injuries were taken very seriously in the series. Like Goku getting his bones crushed against Vegeta
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Pointing out that I wasn't literally correct on that is just you being pedantic and ignoring the overall point I was making.SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:56 am Yeah this is just moving goalposts.
You said "Goku Black kept impaling people with not a drop of blood in sight". That is what you said. You are wrong.
There are already enough problems to criticize about Super (as with any series, by the way, not just Super) without inventing non-existent ones.
The fact that 3 of the 4 of the images you provided barely have any blood in them doesn't exactly refute the argument that the violence is too sanitized.
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Yeah, because he was given a senzu not because getting impaled by Android 20 was but a minor bloodless boobooKonja7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:01 amTo be fair, people surviving impalement has already happened in Cell arc. I've remember Yancha survived Dr. Gero impaling his chest with an arm.tonysoprano300 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:52 pm Also because people would keep surviving impalement in that arc, I miss when injuries were taken very seriously in the series. Like Goku getting his bones crushed against Vegeta
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Super simply chose to take its fights into a different direction. DBZ wanted gory and bloody fights, Super wanted less gory but more flashy and colourful fights.Majin Buu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:13 amPointing out that I wasn't literally correct on that is just you being pedantic and ignoring the overall point I was making.SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:56 am Yeah this is just moving goalposts.
You said "Goku Black kept impaling people with not a drop of blood in sight". That is what you said. You are wrong.
There are already enough problems to criticize about Super (as with any series, by the way, not just Super) without inventing non-existent ones.
The fact that 3 of the 4 of the images you provided barely have any blood in them doesn't exactly refute the argument that the violence is too sanitized.
I'm actually happy that DBS doesn't just copy-paste what DBZ did. I have already seen enough gory fights in DBZ. I don't need to see a retread of Frieza slowly torturing Krillin or Spopovich slowly torturing Videl. I can do without.
Ultimately, it is not a flaw, it's a different philosophy and approach to fights, one that is equally valid as DBZ.
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But it's not a different approach. There is no artistic reason for the lack of blood it's the way it is because Toei wants to make it easy on it's international licensees to get the show broadcasted worldwideSupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 10:39 amSuper simply chose to take its fights into a different direction. DBZ wanted gory and bloody fights, Super wanted less gory but more flashy and colourful fights.Majin Buu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:13 amPointing out that I wasn't literally correct on that is just you being pedantic and ignoring the overall point I was making.SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:56 am Yeah this is just moving goalposts.
You said "Goku Black kept impaling people with not a drop of blood in sight". That is what you said. You are wrong.
There are already enough problems to criticize about Super (as with any series, by the way, not just Super) without inventing non-existent ones.
The fact that 3 of the 4 of the images you provided barely have any blood in them doesn't exactly refute the argument that the violence is too sanitized.
I'm actually happy that DBS doesn't just copy-paste what DBZ did. I have already seen enough gory fights in DBZ. I don't need to see a retread of Frieza slowly torturing Krillin or Spopovich slowly torturing Videl. I can do without.
Ultimately, it is not a flaw, it's a different philosophy and approach to fights, one that is equally valid as DBZ.
Like, anyone who grew up with American/Canadian made action cartoons should be used to conspicuously blood free violence so I'm personally whatever about it. But let's not delude ourselves into thinking it was done for any creative reason. It's a profit decision, not an artistic one
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IIRC, Yamcha was on the brink of death until he got a senzuKonja7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:01 amTo be fair, people surviving impalement has already happened in Cell arc. I've remember Yancha survived Dr. Gero impaling his chest with an arm.tonysoprano300 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:52 pm Also because people would keep surviving impalement in that arc, I miss when injuries were taken very seriously in the series. Like Goku getting his bones crushed against Vegeta
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I don’t get the same sense pf impending death that injuries used to have, in all of those examples the injuries matter in so much that they are out of the fight but something like a spear through the chest in original DB would put you on deaths door. Same with Gokus death in the saiyan saga. I feel like the manga did a better job, at least when Gokus was punctured by MoroSupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:56 pmThat is a different situation. What bothers you is that the scene has more gore originally, they just choose to remove it.kemuri07 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:18 pmTBF: I think the censoring robs some of the fights of their intensity. Like, I’ve always hated how every recreation of the “Full Nelson!” sacrifice censors Piccolo’s attack going through Goku. And I do think it does take away from Goku’s sacrifice a bit.SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 9:50 am I also don't see why some people need blood and gore to enjoy a Dragon Ball series.
Most of Super's fights are not conceived with blood drops or gore. That is the point. The Story never attempts to present those fights as particularly gory or brutal. Ultimately the Story simply chose a less-brutal direction for most of the fights.
This is wrong. We do have drops of blood being shown when Black impales Vegeta and Trunks individually:Majin Buu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:44 pmAgreed. I honestly found it a bit distracting that Goku Black kept impaling people with not a drop of blood in sight. It makes the fighting feel too...sanitized. Too clean.
It also just looks weird. Like, when people get stabbed, they're supposed to bleed out to some degree. That Goku and Vegeta don't when they get stabbed makes them feel less like people and more like living action figures or something.
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Injuries are taken seriously though. Some notable examples from the Zamasu arc:tonysoprano300 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:52 pm Also because people would keep surviving impalement in that arc, I miss when injuries were taken very seriously in the series. Like Goku getting his bones crushed against Vegeta
- In episode 56, when Black stabs Vegeta (pictured above), Vegeta is taken out for the remainder of the fight.
- In episode 57, when Black oneshots Trunks and Goku with Rosé Kamehameha, they are taken out of the fight and need to escape to the past with the help of Yajirobe and Mai (giving focus to side characters; another plus of Super).
- In episode 65, when Fused Zamasu oneshots Vegeta while aiming for Trunks, Vegeta is taken out for the remainder of the fight.
Or hell, even Goku getting shot through the chest in ROF felt more serious
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Modern shows like X-Men 97' has fights with blood. I don't see why Daima couldn't take a different approach from Super, having more fights depicting blood.
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Because it will air at 9 AM sundays on a Japanese TV channel that has stricter rules about what can be shown on TV these days than it had 30 years ago.
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I mean, also, Toei has some of their shows animated with less blood in them so overseas networks for kids will be more inclined to broadcast them because they won't have to censor them visually as much, if at all, to make the material suitable to their main demographics.
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9:00 We cant show blood in Dragon Ball, think of the kids...
9:30 FUCK THEM KIDS, ONE PIECE IS ON, EVERYONE IS BLEEDING!!!
I don't expect for them to show a character dying on his own blood like they did in OP, but, a few scratches here and there and a little blood coming of the side of the mouth would be nice, something to show that they are living breathing creatures and not just action figures animated.
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The schedule and the Japanese audience has nothing to do with the reduction of violence, current Dragon Ball is made specifically thinking that it will be marketed globally... They are avoiding local censorship in each country.YamiGoku wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:53 pm9:00 We cant show blood in Dragon Ball, think of the kids...
9:30 FUCK THEM KIDS, ONE PIECE IS ON, EVERYONE IS BLEEDING!!!
I don't expect for them to show a character dying on his own blood like they did in OP, but, a few scratches here and there and a little blood coming of the side of the mouth would be nice, something to show that they are living breathing creatures and not just action figures animated.
PS: What is the obsession with blood? I've been a DB fan since the mid-90s and I don't feel that bleeding characters really represents the franchise, it's not Saint Seiya.
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I already said why I think it's important to have blood. It is more emotionally impactful, and more credible. It's not like I have an obsession with it but it's just stupid and I don't feel as much without. That's it.Gashaponista wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 1:35 amThe schedule and the Japanese audience has nothing to do with the reduction of violence, current Dragon Ball is made specifically thinking that it will be marketed globally... They are avoiding local censorship in each country.YamiGoku wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:53 pm9:00 We cant show blood in Dragon Ball, think of the kids...
9:30 FUCK THEM KIDS, ONE PIECE IS ON, EVERYONE IS BLEEDING!!!
I don't expect for them to show a character dying on his own blood like they did in OP, but, a few scratches here and there and a little blood coming of the side of the mouth would be nice, something to show that they are living breathing creatures and not just action figures animated.
PS: What is the obsession with blood? I've been a DB fan since the mid-90s and I don't feel that bleeding characters really represents the franchise, it's not Saint Seiya.