We have it in a non canon show tho. From what the twitter insiders are saying, it doesn't seem like it will be the exact SSJ4 but something similar, which is more than enough for now to prep the ground for future (re-)implementation of SSJ4 design in the franchise. Probably in post-EOZ content tho, don't believe they will thouch it in whatever Super manga (and then 2uper anime) has left to tellMr Baggins wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2025 10:22 pm Whatever it is, I hope it's something new and thematically relevant. I hope it's not Super Saiyan 4, not least of which because we already have a Super Saiyan 4.
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Honestly, I don't share the sentiment the entire Internet has that the fictional story of Dragon Ball GT is not really unfictional enough to matter to the fictional universe Toriyama came up with where fictional things happen.
SSJ4 is already there, it exists, no amount of "It's non-canon!" yelling can erase it from existence.
Please, no... Please, don't massacre my baby like this...Basaku wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 5:16 pm From what the twitter insiders are saying, it doesn't seem like it will be the exact SSJ4 but something similar, which is more than enough for now to prep the ground for future (re-)implementation of SSJ4 design in the franchise. Probably in post-EOZ content tho, don't believe they will thouch it in whatever Super manga (and then 2uper anime) has left to tell
Daima, I'm begging you, you can be the most inoffensive fillerish series ever created, but please, leave SSJ4 alone.
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I'll never understand why that emo/edgy form is so popular. I look at SSJ4 and I don't see anything resembling Toriyama's Dragon Ball.
Sadly, with the recent interview that this show is basically Toriyama's version of GT, I know that SSJ4 will probably appear tomorrow. I'll keep hoping until the last second that the new form will be a fusion of Goku and Kaioshin - a "heroic" version of Fused Zamasu.
And if SSJ4 appears tomorrow, this fandom better be criticizing Daima for rehashing old forms like they do with Super.
Sadly, with the recent interview that this show is basically Toriyama's version of GT, I know that SSJ4 will probably appear tomorrow. I'll keep hoping until the last second that the new form will be a fusion of Goku and Kaioshin - a "heroic" version of Fused Zamasu.
And if SSJ4 appears tomorrow, this fandom better be criticizing Daima for rehashing old forms like they do with Super.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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I saw something that looked like last night, but couldn't tell if it was official or fanart.
I'd kinda prefer mini Vegetto over it, and I didn't even initially want that.
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Agreed, honestly. Never liked its design or the explanation behind it, and I'm especially not fond of how superficial it felt from a storytelling perspective.SupremeKai25 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 7:27 pm I'll never understand why that emo/edgy form is so popular. I look at SSJ4 and I don't see anything resembling Toriyama's Dragon Ball.
But those who like the form tend to like it so much that any "canon" interpretation of it is bound to displease them, and for my part, I don't see how it would realistically fit what Daima is selling unless it's specifically repurposed into having a demon/majin theme.
Going to keep an open mind, though.
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Emo is cute and cool.
We need more emo forms for the characters.
We need more emo forms for the characters.
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Pan the Acid Bath Princess of the Dark'ness when?JulieYBM wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:26 pm Emo is cute and cool.
We need more emo forms for the characters.
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This is why I keep saying that there should be an arc where we learn that Mr. Satan unknowingly married a demon queen and Videl and Pan now have hidden youki that they can unlock to become stronger and more emo than the Saiyans.AliTheZombie13 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:30 pmPan the Acid Bath Princess of the Dark'ness when?JulieYBM wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:26 pm Emo is cute and cool.
We need more emo forms for the characters.
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Pan as Yusuke Urameshi 2.0, I am down for that.JulieYBM wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:38 pm This is why I keep saying that there should be an arc where we learn that Mr. Satan unknowingly married a demon queen and Videl and Pan now have hidden youki that they can unlock to become stronger and more emo than the Saiyans.
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Pan might wind up being more akin to Kurosaki Ichigo—the child of a Shinigami and a Quincy—from BLEACH in this scenario, what with being the child of a Saiyan and a majin. :pAlmighty Majin wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:43 pmPan as Yusuke Urameshi 2.0, I am down for that.JulieYBM wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:38 pm This is why I keep saying that there should be an arc where we learn that Mr. Satan unknowingly married a demon queen and Videl and Pan now have hidden youki that they can unlock to become stronger and more emo than the Saiyans.
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Where did you see this? Link?Chuquita wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:16 pm I saw something that looked likelast night, but couldn't tell if it was official or fanart.Spoiler:
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Spencer_23 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:40 pmWhere did you see this? Link?Chuquita wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 8:16 pm I saw something that looked likelast night, but couldn't tell if it was official or fanart.Spoiler:
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Yes but most fans care about stuff "canon" perception so like Broly and Toei/Shueisha/Bandai know it so the exact SSJ4 design will most likely get reimplemented one day. It kinda is what it isAliTheZombie13 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 6:52 pm SSJ4 is already there, it exists, no amount of "It's non-canon!" yelling can erase it from existence.
Well, most likely the exact SSJ4 design will be left alone, but something similar IS gonna happen... Better to get ready for that today than tomorrowAliTheZombie13 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 6:52 pm Please, no... Please, don't massacre my baby like this...
Daima, I'm begging you, you can be the most inoffensive fillerish series ever created, but please, leave SSJ4 alone.


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That form with the cape made of clouds looks so much better and more unique than SSJ4.
Didn't Toei want to give SSG a cape? Well, now is their chance after 12 years. Better late than never.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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I'll get in that bunker and see what'll be inside for the next episode of Dragon Ball Daima!Basaku wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 7:03 amYes but most fans care about stuff "canon" perception so like Broly and Toei/Shueisha/Bandai know it so the exact SSJ4 design will most likely get reimplemented one day. It kinda is what it isAliTheZombie13 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 6:52 pm SSJ4 is already there, it exists, no amount of "It's non-canon!" yelling can erase it from existence.
Well, most likely the exact SSJ4 design will be left alone, but something similar IS gonna happen... Better to get ready for that today than tomorrowAliTheZombie13 wrote: Wed Feb 12, 2025 6:52 pm Please, no... Please, don't massacre my baby like this...
Daima, I'm begging you, you can be the most inoffensive fillerish series ever created, but please, leave SSJ4 alone.get inside the bunker!
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I still haven't let go of the "Ozaru is a demon transformation" theory.
With it's pointy ears it's almost a slamdunk to have a quasi-SSJ4 transformation in Daima.
With it's pointy ears it's almost a slamdunk to have a quasi-SSJ4 transformation in Daima.
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Instead of an outright ape-like appearance, I imagine a form where Goku embodies a Sun Wukong-inspired celestial warrior. A glowing aura that reflects the staff’s energy, giving Goku a divine presence rather than the primal look of SS4. Here’s a fan art I found that really captures the essence of what I’m imagining.
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I initially also thought of the Fusion bugs as a last resort. However, Episode 18 of Daima is titled "Awakening."
An awakening typically refers to the emergence of a new power within a single individual rather than a fusion of powers from multiple individuals. In fiction and literature, this is often the case because an awakening signifies personal growth, a breakthrough, or the unlocking of latent potential. It is a transformative moment for a character, usually tied to emotional, psychological or spiritual development. Fusion, on the other hand, is more about synergy and teamwork rather than an internal evolution.
And then there’s the naming of older Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super episodes… The Dragon Ball Z episode in which Gohan first achieved SSJ2 was also called "Awakening." Likewise, the Dragon Ball Super episode where Goku first used Ultra Instinct was titled "Goku Enkindled! The Awakened One's New Ultra Instinct!" So, if we use past naming conventions as a reference, the episode title also seems to point more towards a transformation.
An awakening typically refers to the emergence of a new power within a single individual rather than a fusion of powers from multiple individuals. In fiction and literature, this is often the case because an awakening signifies personal growth, a breakthrough, or the unlocking of latent potential. It is a transformative moment for a character, usually tied to emotional, psychological or spiritual development. Fusion, on the other hand, is more about synergy and teamwork rather than an internal evolution.
And then there’s the naming of older Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super episodes… The Dragon Ball Z episode in which Gohan first achieved SSJ2 was also called "Awakening." Likewise, the Dragon Ball Super episode where Goku first used Ultra Instinct was titled "Goku Enkindled! The Awakened One's New Ultra Instinct!" So, if we use past naming conventions as a reference, the episode title also seems to point more towards a transformation.
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Probably won't happen, but I wanna make a random prediction now: His new form will have pointy ears. If he can grow/lose body hair, he can get pointy ears. Actually, I just remembered that Oozaru has pointy ears; so it's already happened. I don't know what the rest of the new form will look like, but I want the ears.
Also, I gotta say that things feel bloated with so many transformations, but if they can make a good design here, then I will at least appreciate this one for the design.
Also, I gotta say that things feel bloated with so many transformations, but if they can make a good design here, then I will at least appreciate this one for the design.