Makes 0 sense that Goku and Gohan did not go back in for 1 more day

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Makes 0 sense that Goku and Gohan did not go back in for 1 more day

Post by Sensiblesaiyans » Mon Feb 24, 2025 6:46 am

Goku told Piccolo and Vegeta that he did not want to over-train and decided to use the remaining days before the Cell Games to rest up. However, given the hyperbolic time chamber gives you 1 year of training in 1 day, Goku could have easily gotten far more rest in the chamber and spaced out extra training sessions to bring out Gohan's SSJ2 transformation and potentially more of his own power. This in turn, would have made Goku last longer against Cell and Gohan would have had more control in the fight when he fought Cell as a SSJ.

Goku could easily have done a training program of 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and then used the last month to rest with some light sparring in between. Goku and Gohan's powers likely would have matched Perfect Cell's power output at the Cell Games had they done that approach.

Even if you argue that it would have been too taxing on them, they literally have Dende who can heal them up and put them back to full health.

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Re: Makes 0 sense that Goku and Gohan did not go back in for 1 more day

Post by GokuHater » Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:09 am

For me the idea of resting then is not only healing wounds and regenerating but, most of all, relaxing and allowing yourself to loosen up and have a good time (like we saw when Goku was fishing, taking his family on a picnic).
Resting is RoSaT would arguably not be resting at all, as it was said to be quite stressful for the organism with it's temperature, void etc.

For me the whole reason of this idea of relaxing was to show there's no point in being villigant, stressed out and in training the whole time, there is a point in which one should just let go, relax and enjoy the present.

Which is actually quite wise and something Super forgotten about I think (now we have some arbitrary time given in which a character "trains", 4 months, 3 years, 10 years and BOOM they're on a different level entirely :D

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Re: Makes 0 sense that Goku and Gohan did not go back in for 1 more day

Post by Yuji » Mon Feb 24, 2025 10:03 am

It doesn't have to make sense. Why don't fans understand these aren't pragmatic characters? Goku's ego got in the way. He got overconfident in believing Gohan would defeat Cell as he was already.

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Post by Koitsukai » Mon Feb 24, 2025 10:15 am

Wasn't it said that the atmosphere and air of the ROSAT is too heavy to rest properly? apparently, relaxing isn't as relaxing, in there.

The food is another thing, I can't recall how they felt about the ROSAT food, but they got out and they were starving and begged Popo to prepare something for them. If there is no good food in there, then it makes sense for Goku to stay away.

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Post by JulieYBM » Mon Feb 24, 2025 10:56 am

How are you supposed to rest in a room that's nothing but a big, endless, white space? There's no fun there, especially when the gravity and climate are all fucked up, too.
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Post by Sensiblesaiyans » Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:07 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 10:56 am How are you supposed to rest in a room that's nothing but a big, endless, white space? There's no fun there, especially when the gravity and climate are all fucked up, too.
The hyperbolic time chamber has beds and a bath in the small house as you enter the door.

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Re: Makes 0 sense that Goku and Gohan did not go back in for 1 more day

Post by JulieYBM » Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:31 pm

Sensiblesaiyans wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:07 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 10:56 am How are you supposed to rest in a room that's nothing but a big, endless, white space? There's no fun there, especially when the gravity and climate are all fucked up, too.
The hyperbolic time chamber has beds and a bath in the small house as you enter the door.
I don't think you understand that 'rest' mean more than just sitting down or laying in a bed. Rest is going on a trip, seeing beautiful new sights, playing games with friends.

A endless dimension of nothing but white, with increase gravity and harsh humidity is hard as hell to rest in.
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Post by Zephyr » Mon Feb 24, 2025 3:26 pm

Well here's what goes down.

Chapter 390:

Chapter 391:

Chapter 392:

Chapter 403:

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So, putting it all together, here's the picture we get. Alongside his discovery of just how insanely strong Super Saiyan Gohan is when he snaps, Goku surmised that they had both hit their limits before their year inside was even finished. There would be no point in staying inside and torturing themselves. So, they left early, to the surprise of everyone. Then he checks Cell out for himself, and gets a second opinion from Karin, ultimately concluding that what he saw of Gohan inside of the Room was indeed good enough.

Goku still mentions some training outside of the Room, but taken together with everything else that just comes across like a basic exercise thing to keep in shape, not something in pursuit of further gains. Because there are no further gains to make. Now is time to rest up in the lead up to the big fight.

So, it makes plenty of sense, actually, that they didn't go back into the Room. If Goku reacted with terror, or at least some apprehension, after checking Cell out and getting a second opinion from Karin (suggesting that not even an angry Super Saiyan Gohan was stronger than Cell), then it'd be reasonable to wonder why he didn't at least try to go back in for another year. The only thing about it that's a "reckless gamble" is that he didn't discuss this plan with Gohan, and that there's no guarantee that Gohan will actually snap.

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Re: Makes 0 sense that Goku and Gohan did not go back in for 1 more day

Post by Peach » Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:35 pm

I believe it was because Goku thought it would hurt more than help. That overtraining without rest, like in real life, would lead no true gains and just hurting their bodies. I also think the time chamber took a psychological toll on people who went in. It could have left them both with mental fatigue and weakened spirits going into this fight. The rest allowed them to be sharper mentally and get in touch with what they’re really fighting for.

Goku doesn’t really brute forced his way with training. It’s always been a little more leisure and less destroying his body/mind. I think that’s why he was stronger than a Vegeta for so long. Goku isn’t just stronger physically, he’s stronger in mind and spirit.

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Post by dragon boss z » Mon Mar 10, 2025 10:14 pm

Goku implied they were near their limit and would just be wasting their time. The Buu saga implies they didn't get that much stronger after 7 years of hard training as ssj Goku was still weaker than Cell games ssj2 Gohan. A lot of the "saiyans and other characters get dozens of times stronger every year" come from fans applying their own logic, as well as the anime inflating power levels at times (Yamcha fighting Olibu, cough cough). Also we have series later like Dragon Ball Super which make it seem like characters can get 1,000x stronger in a day.

So the reason is based on Toriyama's original manga logic, they just wouldn't have gotten much stronger even if they did go in. Now with other material it makes it seem like they would have gotten a lot stronger, but that is just future material retconning stuff.

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Post by Sensiblesaiyans » Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:53 pm

dragon boss z wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 10:14 pm Goku implied they were near their limit and would just be wasting their time. The Buu saga implies they didn't get that much stronger after 7 years of hard training as ssj Goku was still weaker than Cell games ssj2 Gohan. A lot of the "saiyans and other characters get dozens of times stronger every year" come from fans applying their own logic, as well as the anime inflating power levels at times (Yamcha fighting Olibu, cough cough). Also we have series later like Dragon Ball Super which make it seem like characters can get 1,000x stronger in a day.

So the reason is based on Toriyama's original manga logic, they just wouldn't have gotten much stronger even if they did go in. Now with other material it makes it seem like they would have gotten a lot stronger, but that is just future material retconning stuff.
1. They always say they are at their limit then break past it
2. Goku may have made that assessment for himself but he can't gauge if gohan has reached his limit
3.Goku is in fact stronger than SSJ2 Cell saga gohan

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Post by BernardoCairo » Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:34 am

dragon boss z wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 10:14 pmafter 7 years of hard training as ssj Goku was still weaker than Cell games ssj2 Gohan
You mean, Super Saiyajin 1 Goku was weaker than Super Saiyajin 2 Gohan from the Cell Games right? Both Vegeta and Piccolo mentioned that Goku and Vegeta had surpassed teen Gohan in their Super Saiyajin 2 forms by that point...
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Re: Makes 0 sense that Goku and Gohan did not go back in for 1 more day

Post by MasenkoHA » Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:41 am

Sensiblesaiyans wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:53 pm
3.Goku is in fact stronger than SSJ2 Cell saga gohan
This part was straight up false and acknowledged by Goku in the Cell saga

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Post by BernardoCairo » Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:14 pm

MasenkoHA wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:41 amThis part was straight up false and acknowledged by Goku in the Cell saga
He is saying that Boo saga Goku is stronger than Cell saga Gohan. I mean, that's just a fact.
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Post by Jack Bz » Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:30 pm

Although obviously contradicted later, Goku feels like him and Gohan are at their physical limit/peak. Gohan hasn't quite achieved super saiyan 2, but for that next step he needs an emotional trigger and not more training.

And yeah, just being in the room even without doing any training just isn't a good time. It's a weird and tough environment not suitable for resting in.

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Re: Makes 0 sense that Goku and Gohan did not go back in for 1 more day

Post by dragon boss z » Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:13 pm

Sensiblesaiyans wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:53 pm 1. They always say they are at their limit then break past it
2. Goku may have made that assessment for himself but he can't gauge if gohan has reached his limit
3.Goku is in fact stronger than SSJ2 Cell saga gohan
1. Eh, in the original manga Vegeta said he reached his limits during the android arc and then after that it was all about getting new forms. The Daizenshuu said after the Namek arc big zenkais stopped and then in BoG it was stated base saiyans were still weaker than Frieza. For the android arc Vegeta trained in 300x gravity (500 if you include the anime) which is only 5x what pre Namek Goku did. Buu saga Goku couldn't lift 40 tons in base. A good case could be made their growth was very minimal after the Namek saga.

2. True, but maybe he didn't want to waste his child's childhood in a timechamber if he didn't have to? lol.

3. With ssj2, yes, not ssj1.
BernardoCairo wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:34 am
dragon boss z wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 10:14 pmafter 7 years of hard training as ssj Goku was still weaker than Cell games ssj2 Gohan
You mean, Super Saiyajin 1 Goku was weaker than Super Saiyajin 2 Gohan from the Cell Games right? Both Vegeta and Piccolo mentioned that Goku and Vegeta had surpassed teen Gohan in their Super Saiyajin 2 forms by that point...
That's what I said. You literally quoted be saying "ssj Goku" and "ssj2 Gohan"

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Post by BernardoCairo » Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:58 pm

dragon boss z wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:13 pmThat's what I said. You literally quoted be saying "ssj Goku" and "ssj2 Gohan"
I know. I asked this because there was a bit of confusion in the replies after your post.
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Post by dragon boss z » Sat Mar 15, 2025 8:04 pm

BernardoCairo wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:58 pm
dragon boss z wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:13 pmThat's what I said. You literally quoted be saying "ssj Goku" and "ssj2 Gohan"
I know. I asked this because there was a bit of confusion in the replies after your post.
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Re: Makes 0 sense that Goku and Gohan did not go back in for 1 more day

Post by p-hyvo » Mon Mar 17, 2025 3:13 am

Sensiblesaiyans wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 6:46 am Goku told Piccolo and Vegeta that he did not want to over-train and decided to use the remaining days before the Cell Games to rest up. However, given the hyperbolic time chamber gives you 1 year of training in 1 day, Goku could have easily gotten far more rest in the chamber and spaced out extra training sessions to bring out Gohan's SSJ2 transformation and potentially more of his own power. This in turn, would have made Goku last longer against Cell and Gohan would have had more control in the fight when he fought Cell as a SSJ.

Goku could easily have done a training program of 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and then used the last month to rest with some light sparring in between. Goku and Gohan's powers likely would have matched Perfect Cell's power output at the Cell Games had they done that approach.

Even if you argue that it would have been too taxing on them, they literally have Dende who can heal them up and put them back to full health.
The real problem of the RoSaT are the torture-ish conditions inside when it comes to temperatures. What Goku said made sense, being exposed to such wild temperature changes is more a torture for the body than anything else, and Goku had already maxed out his SSJ by then (mind you that SSJ2 is a Buu saga name, before that it literally just was a sort of SSJ+ rage boost that looked exclusive to Gohan due to his rage gimmick)

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Re: Makes 0 sense that Goku and Gohan did not go back in for 1 more day

Post by Zephyr » Mon Mar 17, 2025 5:47 pm

Even if we retroactively apply the knowledge that Goku did eventually break through the wall he had hit: he only had one year left to use the RoSaT, and it's unclear how long it may have taken him to realize it was possible to go beyond the wall and then to actually do so.

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