Why is Takao Koyama such a Broly fanboy?

[Geridos]

He Calls him the strongest in Z. We know it's not true. Especially when the anime scaling always puts the next guys stronger. Discuss.

[JulieYBM]

He Calls him the strongest in Z. We know it's not true. Especially when the anime scaling always puts the next guys stronger. Discuss.

Koyama created Broli, of course he thinks that he is the strongest—he literally gets the say so.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Broly is just as iconic as any of Toriyama's own creations, so it's not surprising to see him have such pride in the character. I don't agree with it though, as Janmeba who he also created is much stronger, but on the flip side he's less recognizable.

[Geridos]

He Calls him the strongest in Z. We know it's not true. Especially when the anime scaling always puts the next guys stronger. Discuss.

Koyama created Broli, of course he thinks that he is the strongest—he literally gets the say so.

He also created all movies and the anime.

[JulieYBM]

He Calls him the strongest in Z. We know it's not true. Especially when the anime scaling always puts the next guys stronger. Discuss.

Koyama created Broli, of course he thinks that he is the strongest—he literally gets the say so.

He also created all movies and the anime.

He wrote thirteen of the movies and was in charge of overseeing the scripts for Dragon Ball Z, but that's about it.

[MasenkoHA]

He Calls him the strongest in Z. We know it's not true. Especially when the anime scaling always puts the next guys stronger. Discuss.

Guy who wrote all the Z movies says Broli is the strongest

>well he's wrong


Seems like we kind of have to "Word of God" it here. Nothing really outright states Broli is weaker since Goku had to absorb the ki of everyone else to beat him. The real issue is why doesn't Goku just "Miracle Punch " all of his opponents.

[Hugo Boss]

I think Koyama’s stance on Broly says more about his personal opinion on the kind of challenge Broly represents rather than being a definitive "Word of God" statement about power scaling. Given that he wrote multiple DBZ movies, it makes sense that he’d have a soft spot for Broly as the ultimate villain.

That said, there’s room to argue that Broly could surpass later movie villains (like Janemba and Hirudegarn) depending on where his story fits in the timeline. Even Toriyama revisited the character and implied that his version might be stronger than Beerus, so it’s not completely out of the question that Koyama sees Broly as a special case.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

That said, there’s room to argue that Broly could surpass later movie villains (like Janemba and Hirudegarn) depending on where his story fits in the timeline.

I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I've read that it was stated somewhere (guidebook maybe ?) that Broly gets stronger as time goes on. If this is the case, which it may be considering he was giving Ssj2 Gohan trouble, it's not unreasonable to assume he could've surpassed Buu and Janemba had he survived the 2nd movie.

[JulieYBM]

I mean...anything is possible in fiction. If Koyama ever gets to write another Dragon Ball film, he'll sure as shit make his original Broli stronger than anything Gokuu has ever face before. I don't blame him for doing that at all.

I do blame him for being a part of a cult, though lol

[Vegeta th3 4th]

If Koyama ever gets to write another Dragon Ball film, he'll sure as shit make his original Broli stronger than anything Gokuu has ever face before.

He's 77 years old now, so I doubt he'll be working on Dragon Ball again. He was the most involved in the franchise after Toriyama, starting work on it beginning with the 22nd Tenkaichi arc all the way up to the end of Z. His final project was the 2008 OVA which he wrote alongside Toriyama; not a bad way to end his tenure on.

[JulieYBM]

If Koyama ever gets to write another Dragon Ball film, he'll sure as shit make his original Broli stronger than anything Gokuu has ever face before.

He's 77 years old now, so I doubt he'll be working on Dragon Ball again. He was the most involved in the franchise after Toriyama, starting work on it beginning with the 22nd Tenkaichi arc all the way up to the end of Z. He also wrote the 2008 OVA alongside Toriyama, which wasn't a bad way to end his tenure on.

I don't expect it either, I just think it's funny to think about.

[Super-Shenron]

He Calls him the strongest in Z. We know it's not true. Especially when the anime scaling always puts the next guys stronger. Discuss.

Guy who wrote all the Z movies says Broli is the strongest

>well he's wrong


Seems like we kind of have to "Word of God" it here. Nothing really outright states Broli is weaker since Goku had to absorb the ki of everyone else to beat him. The real issue is why doesn't Goku just "Miracle Punch " all of his opponents.

Broly has quite literally died from being pushed to the Sun by two SS2s and a SS1 at best, after his ultimate attack was destablized by a beaten up base Saiyan of all things.

If Takao Koyama wanted to portray Broly as the strongest, needless to say he didn't manage to portray him as such.

[JulieYBM]

He Calls him the strongest in Z. We know it's not true. Especially when the anime scaling always puts the next guys stronger. Discuss.

Guy who wrote all the Z movies says Broli is the strongest

>well he's wrong


Seems like we kind of have to "Word of God" it here. Nothing really outright states Broli is weaker since Goku had to absorb the ki of everyone else to beat him. The real issue is why doesn't Goku just "Miracle Punch " all of his opponents.

Broly has quite literally died from being pushed to the Sun by two SS2s and a SS1 at best, after his ultimate attack was destablized by a beaten up base Saiyan of all things.

If Takao Koyama wanted to portray Broly as the strongest, needless to say he didn't manage to portray him as such.

He's the strongest because he keeps coming back and have the vibe of being an undefeatable threat that was only defeated because multiple people needed to be involved for it to happen.

Or at least, that's likely the logic Koyama's operating under.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Broly has quite literally died from being pushed to the Sun by two SS2s and a SS1 at best, after his ultimate attack was destablized by a beaten up base Saiyan of all things.

If Takao Koyama wanted to portray Broly as the strongest, needless to say he didn't manage to portray him as such.

Considering one Ssj2 was a big deal back then, needing two of them to kill you is actually impressive.

[Super-Shenron]

He's the strongest because he keeps coming back and have the vibe of being an undefeatable threat that was only defeated because multiple people needed to be involved for it to happen.

Or at least, that's likely the logic Koyama's operating under.

Even then, Super Janemba required a fusion to defeat him.

Considering one Ssj2 was a big deal back then, needing two of them to kill you is actually impressive.

Sure. Is it impressive enough to warrant the label of being the strongest being in Z? I'm not quite as sure.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Is it impressive enough to warrant the label of being the strongest being in Z? I'm not quite as sure.

In the first movie it took a single powered up Ssj1 to defeat him, while in the second movie it took two Ssj2s as well as Goten and Trunks. That's quite the jump in power, so how much stronger would he have gotten had he survived death a second time ? Would a Ssj3 Gogeta or Vegetto be needed if that happened ? I think that's what Koyama meant when he said Broly was the strongest character.

[Super-Shenron]

Is it impressive enough to warrant the label of being the strongest being in Z? I'm not quite as sure.

In the first movie it took a single powered up Ssj1 to defeat him, while in the second movie it took two Ssj2s as well as Goten and Trunks. That's quite the jump in power, so how much stronger would he have gotten had he survived death a second time ? Would a Ssj3 Gogeta or Vegetto be needed if that happened ? I think that's what Koyama meant when he said Broly was the strongest character.

Given how bummed out he sounded about Beerus making Broly look like a pushover, I'm not entirely sure if this is how he meant it. But this will be my headcanon from now on!

[jjgp1112]

I mean he designed Broly to make him the most extreme, appealing Dragon Ball villain possible; this isn't a chicken/egg situation either, he's just using the character as he intended. It's not him being a fanboy, he's just overreliant on him as a crutch.

[theherodjl]

The movie format really doesn't offer enough time or give room for meaningful explanation as to how Broly can be defeated outside of deus ex machina, so that's probably why he's the "strongest" in Takao Koyama's eyes. There's really no excuse as to why they never depicted Broly beyond the medium he was introduced though. I guess Takao Koyama really just didn't want his favorite villain to be beaten if it wasn't a cinematic spectacle that made little sense.

[WittyUsername]

Out of all the movie villains, Broly seems to be the one Koyama is most proud of. I don’t know if that makes him a “fanboy” though. It just means he’s fond of his own creation.