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Let's make the Greatest. Power Level List. Ever.

Post by johnboy1 » Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:45 am

The following are the only 100% TRUE AND UNDISPUTABLE power levels in their original quotes from the manga (I use the Viz translations, so feel free to correct me). Warning: What follows below is directly quoted from comic book world bubbles, meaning punctuation use is odd and inconsistent. My own comments are in brackets:

Saiyan Saga

Arrival of Raditz
Farmer: “Power level… only 5. What a planet!” —Raditz, DBZ Tale 1
Raditz: “It’s impossible…! The Cultivars’ power is over 1200…! Equal to Raditz, every one of them…!” —Nappa, DBZ Tale 21
Piccolo (with weighted clothing): “Hmph. Power 322. More than I expected here.” —Raditz, DBZ Tale 1
Son Gohan (angry in pod): “Power 710!!” —Raditz, DBZ Tale 5
Son Goku (with weighted clothing): “[Power] […] 334!”—Raditz, DBZ Tale 5
Piccolo (without weighted clothing): “His power… jumping to 408…!” —Raditz, DBZ Tale 5
Son Goku (without weighted clothing): “And Kakarrot… up to 416…!” —Raditz, DBZ Tale 5
Son Goku (Kamehameha): “It can’t be!!! His power… up to 924!!! And increasing…!! [Vegeta’s comment 4 entries down suggests it went over 1000]” —Raditz, DBZ Tale 7
Piccolo (Light of Death, 1st time): “That one… 1020… 1030…!!!! It’s unbelievable!!!! […] Power… 1330…!!!!” —Raditz, DBZ Tale 7
Son Gohan (attacking Raditz): “1307…?!” —Raditz, DBZ Tale 9
Son Gohan (calm again): “Your power level… it’s dropped to 1!” —Raditz, DBZ Tale 9
Piccolo, Son Gohan, and Son Goku, each: “Killed by power levels barely over a thousand…” —Vegeta, DBZ Tale 10
Kame-Sen’nin: “Let’s see… 139……!” —Bulma, DBZ Tale 15
Kuririn: “Whoahoho!! It’s 206!!” —Bulma, DBZ Tale 15
Tenshinhan: “Huh?! There’s a 250… about 3000 km away!” —Bulma, DBZ Tale 15
Yamcha: “A 177… over there…” —Bulma, DBZ Tale 15
Piccolo (with weighted clothing, after battle): “And……. a……. 329…..?!!” —Bulma, DBZ Tale 15

Arrival of Nappa and Vegeta
Nappa and Vegeta, together: “We face twice [Raditz’s] power… and more… [>1200 each, a gross underestimation]” —Piccolo, DBZ Tale 6
Vegeta: “Vegeta could barely get up to 18,000!” —Dodoria, DBZ Tale 55
Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Chaozu, Yamcha, (probably all suppressed) and Yajirobe (j/k): “Vegeta… there’s something strange here…! There are readings over 1000! More than one of them! But how, in a backwater like this…?” —Nappa, DBZ Tale 19
Kuririn, Piccolo, and Son Gohan, respectively (suppressed): “981… 1220… 1083…” —Nappa, DBZ Tale 20
Cultivars, each: “It’s impossible…! The Cultivars’ power is over 1200…!” —Nappa, DBZ Tale 21
Son Goku (suppressed): “With a power level… of 5000!!” —Vegeta, DBZ Tale 28
Son Gohan (Masenkô): “Power 2800…!!” —Vegeta, DBZ Tale 29
Son Goku (base): “Power 7000… 8000…!!” —Vegeta, DBZ Tale 30
Son Goku (Kaiô-ken): “Vegeta’s strength far surpassed Goku’s expectations…! Not even doubling his strength through the Kaiô-ken was enough to stop the Saiyan… Now what will he do?! [Base of 8000 x 2 = 16,000]” —Narrator, DBZ Tale 35
Son Goku (Kaiô-ken x 2): “Increase it no higher than twice your normal power… do you understand? [after Goku uses Kaiô-ken x 3] You should never go beyond two-fold, Son Goku…!! [Base of 8000 x 2 = 16,000. Yes, this is a plot-hole]” —Kaiô-sama, DBZ Tales 33 & 36
Son Goku (Kaiô-ken x 3): “[Scouter reads 15,000 at first, then increases] 17,000… 19,000… 21,000…!! [The scouter shatters before it reaches the full level, but a suggestion for the full amount can be found in the Daizenshuu section]” —Bulma, DBZ Tale 36

Freeza Saga

Arrival on Namek
Son Gohan and Kuririn, each (suppressed): “The little *******s can suppress their power all the way down to zero!!!” —Vegeta, DBZ Tale 75
Son Gohan and Kuririn, each (probably slightly suppressed, against Freeza’s thugs): “Their powers were both about 1500.” —Zarbon, DBZ Tale 54
Kiwi: “[Kiwi’s and Vegeta’s] abilities are basically equal, which should at least stop Vegeta from taking the Dragon Ball! [Freeza believes Vegeta’s power level is 18,000 at this point, so Kiwi’s power level is 18,000]” —Freeza, DBZ Tale 53
Vegeta (upon arrival): Kiwi: “19,000… 20,000… 21,000… 22,000…!!!!” [Scouter shatters] Dodoria: “Th-this can’t be right… I-I’ve got the newest scouter on the market! It can’t be 24,000!!!” —Kiwi and Dodoria, DBZ Tale 55
Namekian Warriors, each (suppressed): “You’ll be disappointed, sir. All three rate at approximately 1000.” —Dodoria, DBZ Tale 59
Namekian Warriors, each (true power): “I… I don’t understand! They’ve all increased to 3000!” —Dodoria, DBZ Tale 59

Battle with the Ginyu Force
Son Gohan and Kuririn, each (with hidden power unlocked, fighting Gurd and Reacoom): “Those squirts measured over 10,000!” —Reacoom, DBZ Tale 80
Vegeta (against Reacoom): “Vegeta’s battle strength is at 20,000… and still rising! [Okay, this is obviously not his max, but the anime suggests what it may be]” —Jheese, DBZ Tale 81
Son Goku (suppressed): “‘Geek’ is well put! He’s a lowly 5000!” —Butta, DBZ Tale 85
Son Goku (Ginyu’s estimate): “I estimate his true power to be around… 60,000… [of course, this is an underestimation]” —Captain Ginyu, DBZ Tale 89
Son Goku (base): [With a Kaiô-ken power of 180,000, Goku’s base is half that, so 180,000 / 2 = 90,000]
Son Goku (Kaiô-ken): “90,000…?! 100,000… 110,000…?! […] 120,000… 130,000… 140,000…!! […] …160,000…. And rising!! […] 180,000?!” —Captain Ginyu, DBZ Tales 90 & 91
Captain Ginyu (in his own body): “N-no wonder he creamed us… even the Captain’s top strength is 120,000…” —Jheese, DBZ Tale 91
Nail: “Your battle strength—it jumped to 42,000?!” —Freeza, DBZ Tale 92
Freeza (First Form): “You see, sir, it’s… 530,000.” —Freeza, DBZ Tale 92
Captain Ginyu (in Goku’s body): “…Um… 23,000…” —Jheese, DBZ Tale 94
Freeza (Second Form): “If any instrument could read my strength… it would surpass a million…” —Freeza, DBZ Tale 102

Android Saga

Arrival of Trunks
Trunks (base, suppressed, fighting Freeza and co.): “Battle Strength only 5…? …Idiot…” —One of Freeza’s henchmen, DBZ Tale 137

There you have it. If we are going to make a power level list, this should be the core of our study. There are levels given in the Daizenshuu’s as well as the Anime not listed above. I’ll list the levels from the Daizenshuu’s and Anime, since some of them actually make a bit of sense, BUT THEY ARE VERY MUCH DISPUTABLE. First, the Anime:

Burdock Special
Burdock (after healing): 10,000 [Kind of pathetic considering who his son is, isn’t it?]
Baby Son Goku: 2 [All of a sudden, Burdock doesn’t seem so pathetic anymore]

Saiyan Saga
Piccolo (Light of Death, 2nd time): 1485 [Well, it’s enough to kill Raditz, isn’t it?]
Sea Turtle: 0.001 [A bit low, in my opinion, but who cares?]
Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Chaozu, and Yamcha, all together (against the Saiyans from the past in a filler battle): 1500 total [Technically, the fight never took place, but I threw it in here for kicks]
Vegeta (Giant Ape): <180,000 [The Anime brought forth the idea that the Giant Ape form multiplies power 10 times, but Vegeta was already severely weakened by the time he transformed]
Gohan (Giant Ape): 10,530 [Or thereabouts, anyway]

The Tree of Might (Movie #3)
Son Gohan (normal): 10,000
Son Gohan (Giant Ape): 100,000
Piccolo: 18,000
Son Goku (base): 30,000
Son Goku (Kaiô-ken): 60,000
Son Goku (Kaiô-ken x 10): 300,000

Freeza Saga
Vegeta (against Reacoom): 30,000 [Makes sense as his maximum]
Son Gohan (Masenkô against Reacoom): 20,000 [At least it makes him stronger than Kuririn]

Cooler's Revenge (Movie #5)
Gohan (EXTREMELY weakened by having tail grabbed): 50

Broly—The Legendary Super Saiyan (Movie #8 )
Broly (at birth): 10,000

Not much, huh? Well, here are the Daizenshuu’s power levels:

Dragon Ball

Pilaf Saga
Son Goku (base): 10 [Sounds a bit low, but whatever]
Son Goku (Giant Ape): 100 [The Daizenshuu’s support the Anime’s “10 times” rule]

22nd Tenka’ichi Budôkai
Son Goku: 180 [Seems right]
Tenshinhan: 180 [Oh, now that’s just a cop-out!]
Jackie Chun: 139 [Gee, who does this number remind us of?]
Tsuru-Sen’nin: 120 [Okey-dokey]

Piccolo Daimaô Saga
Son Goku (after drinking the Super Water of the Gods): 260 [Understandable]
Piccolo Daimaô (after regaining his youth): 260 [Another cop-out!]

Dragon Ball Z

Saiyan Saga
Raditz: 1500 [The manga says “over 1200,” but I doubt it was THIS much over 1200]
Kuririn (max during Saiyan battle): 1770 [Sounds good]
Tenshinhan (max during Saiyan battle): 1830 [Good, as well]
Chaozu (max during Saiyan battle): 610 [Too low, especially if he was one of the “over 1000” fighters Nappa mentions]
Yamcha (max during Cultivar battle): 1480 [Good]
Piccolo (max during Saiyan battle): 3500 [A bit high, especially if Nappa is supposed to be 4,000]
Nappa: 4000 [Too low to have given Goku so much trouble]
Son Goku (Kaiô-ken x 3): 24,000 [uses the “multiplier rule” set forth in the Daizenshuu’s]
Son Goku (Kaiô-ken x 4): 32,000 [uses the “multiplier rule” as well]

Namek Saga
Son Gohan (max on Namek): 14,000 [No, no, no! Too low! Maybe in the Reacoom fight, though, as it is “over 10,000”]
Kuririn (max on Namek): 13,000 [Still too low, but it fits in with the Reacoom fight as being “over 10,000”]
Piccolo (after fusion with Nail): 1,000,000 [seems about right]
Son Goku (base after healing tank): 3,000,000 [HUGE jump, but okay]
Son Goku (Kaiô-ken x 10): 30,000,000 [Works out mathematically]
Son Goku (Kaiô-ken x 20): 60,000,000 [Ditto]
Son Goku (Super Saiyan): 150,000,000 [Too much of a difference with Freeza]
Freeza (Fourth Form 50%): 60,000,000 [Again, a tad high...]
Freeza (Fourth Form 100%): 120,000,000 [Not high enough to have given Goku such a fight]

Android Saga
Trunks (Super Saiyan): 150,000,000 [Stated to be equal to Goku on Namek]

And now, for the section I didn't want to include at first, but will for completion's sake. These levels are taken from the "Legend of the Super Saiyan" Nintendo game from the early 90s. The levels they gave generally (GENERALLY) fell in place with the manga, so I'm including them here:

Freeza Saga

Arrival on Namek

Dodoria: 22,000 [Makes sense to me]
Zarbon (First Form): 23,000 [Also good]

Battle with the Ginyu Force

Gurd: 13,500 [Considering that the time freeze was the only thing saving his ass, I'll buy this]
Reacoom: 65,000 [WAY TOO HIGH! Then again, he DID toy around with them a lot...]
Butta: 62,500 [Goku could beat him, so, I guess...]
Jheese: 64,000 [That's an awfully big boost for Vegeta in order to cream him like he did, but considering Goku's boost later on... well...]
Freeza (3rd Form): 1,550,000 [I really would have gone higher, but what do I know?]

As you see, not all of them are top notch, but it’s almost all we have.

Alright, everybody, this is it! The greatest brainpowers that mind-rotting garbage like DB can produce are gathered here, at this forum. If one is going to produce the Greatest. Power Level List. Ever. This is the place to do it, right? Right! I’m pumped. I’m riveted. I’m excited. I’m… the only one that cares, aren’t I? Oh well, if you want to humor my fanboyishness, feel free to join in at any time. It’s getting late, and I need to go to bed, but tomorrow, I’ll take some time out of my not-so-busy schedule to produce the first draft of the levels I made up to fill in the gaps. You may then proceed to criticize to your hearts’ content. Cheerio.

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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:47 am

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NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! I hate this Power level shit! OMG!! n00bn3ss!!!

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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:13 am

1. Yeah, Broli's power level at birth was 10,000
2. My power level list is the greatest.
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Post by El_Diablo » Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:23 pm

Are you that guy from GameFAQs?
Where's the beef?

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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:38 pm

Saiyan Saga
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Raditz: 1,200
Farmer: 5
Piccolo (Weighted clothing): 322
Piccolo (Without weighted clothing): 408
Piccolo (Special Beam Cannon 1st time): 1,330
Piccolo (Special Beam Cannon 2nd time): 1,440
Goku (Weighted clothing): 334
Goku (Without weighted clothing): 416
Goku (Kamehameha): 924 +
Gohan: 1
Gohan (Angry): 710
Gohan (Attacking Raditz): 1,307
Kame-Sen'nin: 139
Kuririn: 206
Tenshinhan: 250
Yamcha: 177
Piccolo (After the battle): 329

Z Warriors vs. Saibamen & Nappa
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Saibamen: 1,200 each
Piccolo (Pre-battle): 1,220
Piccolo (Maximum power): 3,500
Tenshinhan: 1,830
Kuririn (Pre-battle): 1,083
Kuririn (Maximum power): 1,770
Yamcha: 1,480
Gohan: 981
Gohan (Masenko-Ha): 2,800
Chaozu: 610
Nappa: 7,800

Goku vs. Nappa
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Goku (Supressed): 5,000
Goku: 8,000
Nappa: 7,800
Goku (Kaio-Ken): 12,000

Goku vs. Vegeta
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Goku: 8,000
Goku (Kaio-Ken): 12,000
Goku (Kaio-Ken x2): 16,000
Goku (Kaio-Ken x3:) 24,000
Goku (Kaio-Ken x4): 32,000
Vegeta: 18,000
Goku (Kaio-Ken x3+Kamehameha:) 29,000
Vegeta (Gallick Gun): 29,000
Vegeta (After making the Moon Ball): 14,000
Vegeta (Oozaru): 140,000

Kuririn and Gohan vs. Vegeta
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Gohan (Zenkai power-up): 1,200
Gohan (Oozaru): 12,000
Kuririn: 1,770
Vegeta: 14,000
Kuririn (Spirit Bomb): 11,000
Vegeta (Weakened by Kuririn's Spirit Bomb): 3,000

Freeza Saga
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Gohan (Supressed): 1,500
Kuririn (Supressed): 1,500

Vegeta vs. Kiwi
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Vegeta: 24,000
Kiwi: 18,000

Dodoria vs. the Namek warriors
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Namek warriors (Supressed): 1,000 each
Namek warriors: 3,000 each
Freeza's henchmen: 1,500-2,000 each
Dodoria: 21,000
Gohan (Enraged): 6,000
Kuririn: 2,240

Vegeta vs. Dodoria
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Vegeta: 24,000
Dodoria: 21,000

Vegeta vs. Zarbon (1st fight)
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Vegeta: 24,000
Zarbon: 22,000
Zarbon (Transformed): 32,000

Guru’s Power Awakening
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Gohan: 7,000
Kuririn: 7,000

Vegeta vs. Zarbon (2nd fight)
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Vegeta (Zenkai power-up): 40,000
Zarbon: 22,000
Zarbon (Transformed): 32,000

Arrival of the Ginyu Force
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Guldo: 10,000
Burter: 51,000
Jeice: 54,000
Recoom: 56,000
Captain Ginyu: 120,000
Gohan: 10,000
Kuririn: 10,000
Vegeta: 40,000

Goku’s Arrival on Namek
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Goku (Supressed): 5,000
Goku (Attacking the Ginyu Force): 60,000
Burter: 51,000
Jeice: 54,000
Recoom: 56,000

Goku vs. Captain Ginyu
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Goku: 90,000
Goku (Kaio-Ken): 180,000
Captain Ginyu: 120,000

Captain Ginyu (In Goku’s body) vs. Gohan, Kuririn, and Vegeta
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Captain Ginyu (In Goku‘s body): 23,000
Gohan: 29,000
Kuririn: 25,000
Vegeta (Zenkai power-up): 250,000
Jeice: 54,000

Freeza vs. Nail
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Freeza: 530,000
Nail: 42,000

Vegeta vs. Freeza
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Vegeta: 250,000
Freeza: 530,000

Freeza vs. Piccolo
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Freeza (Form 2): 1,000,000
Piccolo (Weighted clothing): 1,005,000
Freeza (Form 2, powered up): 1,050,000
Piccolo (Without weighted clothing): 1,150,000
Gohan (Enraged): 700,000
Kuririn: 32,000
Freeza (Form 3): 1,850,000
Vegeta: 250,000
Vegeta (Zenkai power-up): 2,100,000

Freeza’s True Form
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Freeza (25% True Form): 3,000,000
Vegeta: 2,100,000

Goku vs. Freeza
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Goku: 300,000
Goku (Kaio-Ken x10): 3,000,000
Freeza (25% True Form): 3,000,000
Freeza (50% True Form): 6,000,000
Goku (Kaio-Ken x20): 6,000,000
Freeza (75% True Form): 9,000,000
Freeza (100% True Form): 12,000,000
Goku SSj: 15,000,000

Trunks the Story: The Lone Warrior
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#17: 64,000,000
#18: 62,250,000
Future Gohan base: 550,000
Future Gohan SSj: 27,500,000
Trunks base: 200,000
Trunks SSj: 10,000,000
Trunks base (3 years later): 285,000
Trunks SSj (3 years later): 14,250,000

Trunks Saga
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Trunks (Suppressed): 5
Trunks base: 300,000
Trunks SSj: 15,000,000
Mecha-Freeza: 12,720,000
King Cold: 3,570,000
Goku SSj: 18,750,000

Goku vs. #19
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Goku base: 600,000
Goku SSj: 30,000,000
#19: 975,000
#19 (After absorbing Goku's blast): 4,975,000
Goku (Infected with the heart virus): 500,000 and dropping

Vegeta vs. #19
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Vegeta base: 2,400,000
Vegeta SSj: 44,000,000
#19: 4,975,000
Vegeta SSj (After having his Ki drained by #19): 18,675,000
#19 (After absorbing Vegeta's Ki): 12,975,000
Vegeta SSj (Big Bang Attack): 35,000,000
Vegeta base (After having his Ki drained by #19+Using the Big Bang Attack): 750,000

#20 escapes
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#20: 1,020,000
#20 (After absorbing Vegeta's blast): 1,450,000
Piccolo: 1,475,000
#20 (After absorbing Piccolo's Ki): 2,150,000
Piccolo (Focusing his Ki into one burst): 3,800,000

Z warriors vs. #17 and #18
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Vegeta base: 2,400,000
Vegeta SSj (Holding back): 35,000,000
#18 (Holding back): 35,000,000
Vegeta SSj: 44,000,000
#18: 73,300,000
#17: 76,000,000
Trunks base: 400,000
Trunks SSj: 20,000,000
Piccolo: 1,475,000
Tenshinhan: 30,000

Cell Saga
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Piccolo: 1,475,000
Piccolo (After the fusion with Kami, AKA "The Namek"): 76,000,000
#17: 76,000,000
Cell Stage 1 (1st appearance): 60,000,000
Cell Stage 1 (After he absorbed some humans): 84,000,000
#16: 84,000,000
Cell Stage 2: 103,000,000
Vegeta base: 3,400,000
Vegeta SSj Second Grade: 114,000,000
Trunks base: 1,050,000
Trunks SSj Second Grade: 112,450,000
Trunks SSj Third Grade: 158,500,000
Perfect Cell: 148,000,000

Room of Spirit and Time training
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Gohan base (Pre-training): 275,000
Gohan base (Post-training): 2,000,000
Gohan Fp-SSj: 195,000,000
Goku base (Pre-training): 660,000
Goku base (Post-training): 1,750,000
Goku SSj Second Grade: 105,200,000
Goku SSj Third Grade: 172,000,000
Goku Fp-SSj: 143,000,000

Cell Games Saga
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Goku Fp-SSj: 143,000,000
Vegeta SSj Second Grade: 123,200,000
Trunks SSj Second Grade: 118,000,000
Piccolo: 77,675,000
Cell Jr.'s: 125,000,000 each
Perfect Cell: 148,000,000
Perfect Cell (Buffed-out maximum power) 200,000,000
Super Perfect Cell: 240,000,000
Gohan Fp-SSj: 145,000,000
Gohan Fp-SSj (Maximum power): 165,000,000
Gohan SSj2: 300,000,000
Gohan SSj2 (Weakened): 195,000,000
Gohan SSj2 (Waza Kamehameha): 240,000,000
Super Perfect Cell (Kamehameha): 280,000,000
Gohan SSj2 (Full Power Waza Kamehameha): 360,000,000

Trunks: Free the Future
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Trunks base: 1,700,000
Trunks SSJ Second Grade: 118,000,000
#17: 64,000,000
#18: 62,250,000
Cell: 72,000,000

25th Tenkaichi Budoukai
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Kuririn: 20,000
Punta: 5.5
Supreme Kai: 1,250,000
Piccolo: 900,000
Videl: 8
Majin Spopovich: 55
Kibito: 1,000,000
Gohan base: 1,700,000
Gohan SSj2: 245,000,000
#18: 73,300,000
Mr. Satan: 7
Goten base: 1,500,000
Goten SSj: 75,000,000
Trunks base: 1,600,000
Trunks SSj: 80,000,000

Babidi’s Ship
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Vegeta base: 4,000,000
Majin Pui Pui: 1,900,000
Goku base (Dead): 2,300,000
Goku SSj: 115,000,000
Goku SSj2: 345,000,000
Majin Yakon: 2,050,000
Gohan base: 1,700,000
Gohan SSJ2: 245,000,000
Majin Dabura: 250,000,000
Supreme Kai: 1,250,000
Kibito: 1,000,000

SSj2 Goku vs. SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
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Vegeta SSj2: 320,000,000
Majin Vegeta SSj2: 345,000,000
Goku SSj2: 345,000,000

Majin Buu’s revival
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Gohan Fp-SSj2 (Attacking Buu‘s egg): 295,000,000
Fat Buu: 650,000,000
Majin Dabura: 250,000,000
Majin Dabura (Weakened): 185,000,000
Majin Vegeta SSj2: 345,000,000
Majin Vegeta SSj2 (Final blast on Buu): 620,000,000

SSj3 Goku vs. Majin Buu
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Goku base (Dead): 2,345,000
Goku SSj: 117,250,000
Goku SSj2: 371,750,000
Goku Fp-SSj3: 703,500,000
Fat Buu: 650,000,000+

Gohan's Z Sword training
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Gohan base (Before Z Sword training): 1,840,000
Gohan base (After Z Sword training): 3,500,000
Gohan SSj: 175,000,000
Gohan SSj2: 525,000,000

Gotenks training:
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Goten base: 1,500,000
Goten SSj: 75,000,000
Trunks base: 1,600,000
Trunks SSj: 80,000,000
Fat Gotenks: 6,000,000
Old Gotenks: 3,000,000
Gotenks base: 15,000,000
Gotenks SSj: 750,000,000
Fat Buu: 650,000,000

Mr. Buu vs. Evil Buu
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Fat Buu: 650,000,000
Evil Buu: 615,000,000
Mr. Buu: 450,000,000
Super Buu: 3,400,000,000

Gotenks vs. Super Buu
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Goten base: 2,900,000
Trunks base: 3,000,000
Gotenks base: 29,000,000
Gotenks SSj: 1,450,000,000
Gotenks SSj3: 3,675,000,000
Super Buu: 3,400,000,000

Mystic Gohan vs. Super Buu
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Mystic Gohan: 5,450,000,000
Super Buu: 3,400,000,000
Super Buu Gotenks: 7,141,095,000

Goku Revived
-----

Supreme Kai: 1,250,000
Kibito: 1,000,000
Kibito-Kai: 20,000,000
Goku base: 2,050,000
Goku SSj3: 615,000,000
Super Buu Piccolo: 3,475,895,000
Super Buu Gohan: 8,925,895,000

Theoretical Fusions
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Gohan+Goku
---
Goku base: 2,050,000
Mystic Gohan: 5,450,000,000
Gohan-Goku: 105,041,000,000

Mr. Satan+Goku
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Goku base: 2,050,000
Mr. Satan: 7
Mr. Satan-Goku: 20,500,070

Vegetto vs. Super Buu
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Goku base: 2,050,000
Vegeta base (Dead): 4,260,000
Vegetto base: 126,000,000
Vegetto SSj: 4,410,000,000
Vegetto SSj2: 13,230,000,000
Vegetto SSj3 (Theoretical): 26,460,000,000
Super Buu Gohan: 8,925,895,000

Regression
-----

Super Buu: 3,400,000,000
Goku SSj3: 615,000,000
Vegeta Fp-SSj2 (Dead): 340,000,000
Buff Buu: 4,225,000,000
Kid Buu: 615,000,000

Kid Buu vs. SSj3 Goku
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Goku SSj3: 615,000,000
Kid Buu: 615,000,000
Vegeta Fp-SSj2 (Dead): 340,000,000
Mr. Buu: 450,000,000
Spirit Bomb: 20,032,110,008

28th Tenkaichi Budoukai
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Pan: 200,000
Goku: 3,225,000
Uub (Before realizing that he had hidden power): 22
Uub (After realizing that he had hidden power): 3,115,000
Vegeta: 4,650,000
Mystic Gohan: 5,450,000,000
Mr. Buu: 450,000,000
Mr. Satan: 7
Trunks: 1,875,000
Goten: 1,700,000
Kirano: 5.1
Captain Chicken: 5.3
Noku: 5.5
Otoko Suki: 5.6
Wild Tiger: 6.3

Neko Majin Z Power Levels
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Neko Majin Z 1
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Z: 185,000
Super Neko Majin Z: 4,825,000
Onio base: 3,700
Onio SSj: 185,000

Neko Majin Z 2
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Z: 200,000
Super Neko Majin Z: 5,000,000
Kreeza: 200,000
Kreeza (Transformed): 3,650,000
Thunder Bolt: 7
Onio: 4,500

Neko Majin Z 3
-----

Z: 240,000
Super Neko Majin Z: 6,000,000
Vegeta base: 295,000
Vegeta SSj: 5,900,000
Onio: 4,500
Kreeza: 3,650,000

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Post by Ginyu Taiko » Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:14 pm

If you want to look at the failure of power level lists, just look at the DBZ CCG.

http://www.deck-zone.com/dbz/images/cards/12045.jpg

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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:49 pm

I refuse to let this term "Zenkai" be used on my board to refer to the power-up that Saiya-jin receive from reaching near-death. It's nowhere in the manga, or even the daizenshuu as far as I know.
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Post by oponok » Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:59 pm

Power level lists past the Namek era (not considering Trunks' surpressed power of 5) are all hopelessly inconclusive, since nothing makes one person's list more accurate than anyone else's. Perfect Cell could have a power level of 500 million or 5 billion, it doesn't make much difference since he can kill everyone's ass, anyway. SSJ Goku was a whole 3 MILLION power units (or whatever) stronger than Freeza on Namek, but it took him forever too actually beat him. Vegeta was only a few thousands levels above some of Freeza's henchmen and yet completely decimated them like so much garbage.

Really, we could just spit out random numbers till the cows come home.
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Post by Adamant » Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:20 pm

Well, this short list is pretty accurate, don't you think?

Goku: X
Everybody else: X-y (y>0)

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Post by johnboy1 » Fri Nov 12, 2004 4:52 pm

To Chibi Mystic Gohan:

Mighty impressive if I do say so myself. However, there are a couple of problems. Kaiô-ken x 1 doubles someones power. This is stated. Kaiô-ken x 2 also doubles it. This is also stated. It makes no sense, I know, but it's true. Ergo, Goku is 16,000 when using both against the Saiyans (perhaps KK x2 makes him faster).

Also, when Goku powers up for Karin after achieving Fp-SSj, he goes to about half of his real power. Vegeta senses this and says that Kakarrot has surpassed him again. Ergo, USSj2 Vegeta < 50% Fp-SSj Goku. This confuses me, as that means Cell held back a ridiculous amount of power when fighting Vegeta and Trunks, but hey, it's stated, and we can't argue about it.

Other than that, I actually can't find any flaws in it! Just adjust the KK level of Goku in the Saiyan battle, bump everything up in the later Cell saga to make up for the above mistake, and I think DBZ's pretty much wrapped up!

Now, if you could only use those math skills for DB and DBGT...

I'll still post my own levels in a little while, but I'd be hard-pressed to beat yours.

Also, I guess we shouldn't use the term "Zenkai" anymore, so I guess we'll stick with "power-up." Okay, that sounds awful, are there any cooler-sounding words we can use?

P.S.: Thanks for Broly's power level, as well. How about Movies 3 and 5? Am I just fantasizing, or were there levels in those as well?

To El Diablo:

Yes, I am. I figured the discussion would go to better use here as we don't have a bunch of "OMG LIK3 VAJEETA IZ T3H GR3ATIST!!!111!!!" idiots like those who infest GameFAQs (no offense to the actually intelligent people that browse there).

To Ginyu Taiko:

I can't read what's on the cards. Assistance, please?

To Adamant:

Amazing! That's the same basic model I'm using for the DBGT list!
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Post by Ginyu Taiko » Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:27 pm

This is an explanation of the card links posted earlier. If you look on the right side of each of the cards, there are power level stages. Normally, there are around ten of these, and are listed in increasing order from bottom to top.

As you can see, the Tenshinhan (Tien) card has a max power level of 1000. Whereas, the card for Bulma lists her as having a power level of 1 000 000!

The sad truth is that these are the most "official" power levels done through Funimation because of course; the DBZ CCG is licensed by them. As well, their staff continually checks Score's (the card company) designs before having them released, in order to "maintain accuracy" with the Dragonball series.

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Post by El_Diablo » Fri Nov 12, 2004 6:31 pm

Sad thing is people actually use those PLs in debates

"ChiChi is better than Bulma because her level is 4000 and Bulma's is 3000"

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Post by omae no kaasan » Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:03 pm

Interestingly enough. The entire Android saga forward debate was started by so-called DB "fan" Mr. E with posting of such baloney at his site. :lol:

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Post by Mugenmidget » Fri Nov 12, 2004 7:06 pm

Here's the best PL reference you'll EVER need.

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Post by *PINHEAD* » Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:03 pm

I don't know about Kaiou-ken doubling a person's power. I thought it just increases it a lot, and the Kaiou-ken x2 doubles whatever the Kaiou-ken x1 does...or something.

Forget your power level list...if you want the GREATEST one ever, include in brackets next to each character power the calculated results of what their power would be in that measurement Babidi used. Then your list would pWnz0|2.
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:14 pm

VegettoEX, I know Zenkai wasn't even in the Japanese manga, but it's the term people often use, and it sounds better than "Saiya-Jin near death power up thingy"...
johnboy1 wrote:To Chibi Mystic Gohan:

Mighty impressive if I do say so myself. However, there are a couple of problems. Kaiô-ken x 1 doubles someones power. This is stated. Kaiô-ken x 2 also doubles it. This is also stated. It makes no sense, I know, but it's true. Ergo, Goku is 16,000 when using both against the Saiyans (perhaps KK x2 makes him faster).

Also, when Goku powers up for Karin after achieving Fp-SSj, he goes to about half of his real power. Vegeta senses this and says that Kakarrot has surpassed him again. Ergo, USSj2 Vegeta < 50% Fp-SSj Goku. This confuses me, as that means Cell held back a ridiculous amount of power when fighting Vegeta and Trunks, but hey, it's stated, and we can't argue about it.

Now, if you could only use those math skills for DB and DBGT...
1. Yes, I realize that KK=basex2, but, errr, that would also mean KKx2=basex2, which, as you noted, is a plothole. I tried KKx2=basex2.5, but that makes it 20,000, which is higher than Vegeta's power level, even though Vegeta>KKx2 Goku. I just made KK base x1.5, as KK=KKx2 would confuse most people.
2. I'm trying to fit the 50% Goku>USSJ Vegeta thing in, but I can't do it at the moment without screwing the whole list up, seriously. I'm trying to fit it in...
3. I have no interest in doing GT, as I'm doing canon levels only, but I'm working hard on DB. This DBZ one is almost my final list (I think it's version 15! I've put hard work into it!) ô
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Post by Rocketman » Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:32 am

I made a list a while back, based on my understanding of PLs through the last two main sagas. Don't worry, I don't have stuff like Kid Buu > Super Buu or SS3 Goku > Mystic Gohan. Anyway, here's what I came up with.

Note: This list takes Namek Base Goku as 300,000, SSJ at 15,000,000 and 100% Frieza at 12,000,000

Trunks Saga

Trunks - 300,000
SSj Trunks - 15,000,000
Goku - 500,000
SSj Goku - 19,000,000
King Kold - 12,000,000
Cyborg Frieza - 15,000,000

Androids Arrive

Goku - 700,000
SSj Goku - 27,000,000
SSj Goku (heart virus) - 25,000,000 and dropping
Piccolo - 19,500,000
Android 20 - 19,000,000
Android 19 - 22,000,000
Android 19 (absorbed Goku energy) - 27,000,000
Vegeta - 750,000
SSj Vegeta - 28,000,000

Androids and Cell

Cell - 30,000,000
Android 18 - 33,000,000
Kamiccolo - 36,000,000
Android 17 - 36,000,000
Cell (Humans Absorbed) - 40,000,000
Android 16 - 42,000,000
SSj (post-HTC) Trunks - 49,000,000
SSj (post-HTC) Vegeta - 51,000,000
Imperfect Cell - 90,000,000
USSj Vegeta - 95,000,000
Perfect Cell (restrained) - 125,000,000
USSj2 Trunks - 130,000,000
Perfect Cell (less restrained) - 150,000,000

Cell Games

SSj Goku - 170,000,000
Perfect Cell - 200,000,000
Cell Juniors - 200,000,000
USSj Vegeta - 130,000,000
USSj Trunks - 125,000,000
SSj Gohan - 160,000,000
SSj2 Gohan (Full Power/Enraged/Etc.) - 360,000,000
SSj2 Gohan - 275,000,000
SSj2 Gohan (Wounded) - 190,000,000
Ultra Perfect Cell - 250,000,000
SSj Goku/SSj2 Gohan Ultimate Kamehameha - 300,000,000

Majin Vegeta and Fat Buu

Goten - 1,000,000
SSj Goten - 30,000,000
Trunks - 1,200,000
SSj Trunks - 30,540,000
Gohan - 2,500,000
SSj Gohan - 70,000,000
SSj2 Gohan - 190,000,000
Supreme Kai - 15,000,000
Vegeta - 4,800,000
SSj Vegeta - 120,000,000
SSj2 Vegeta - 300,000,000
Majin Vegeta - 320,000,000
Majin Vegeta (Self-Destruct) - 390,000,000
Goku - 5,000,000
SSj Goku - 140,000,000
SSj2 Goku - 320,000,000
SSj3 Goku - 550,000,000
Dabura - 200,000,000
Fat Buu (suppressed) - 235,000,000
Fat Buu - 400,000,000
Gotenks - 240,000,000
SSj Gotenks - 350,000,000

Super Buu

(HTC) Gotenks - 270,000,000
(HTC) SSj Gotenks - 400,000,000
(HTC) SSj3 Gotenks - 650,000,000
Evil Buu - 300,000,000
Mr. Buu - 100,000,000
Super Buu - 600,000,000
Super (Piccolo) Buu - 620,000,000
Super (Gotenks) Buu - 1,250,000,000
Super (Gohan) Buu - 1,320,000,000
Mystic Gohan - 700,000,000
Vegito - 350,000,000
SSj Vegito - 900,000,000
SSj2 Vegito - 2,000,000,000
Kibitokai - 17,000,000

Kid Buu

Goku - 5,000,000
SSj Goku - 140,000,000
SSj2 Goku - 320,000,000
SSj3 Goku (full power) - 550,000,000
SSj3 Goku (energy draining) - 450,000,000 and dropping
Vegeta - 5,100,000
SSj Vegeta - 130,000,000
SSj2 Vegeta - 320,000,000
Kid Buu - 425,000,000
Ultimate Spirit Bomb - 600,000,000

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Post by johnboy1 » Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:22 pm

NOOOOOOO!!! I had my theoretical power levels all typed out and everything, but then, my ADHD went into what I like to call "autopilot" and I promptly clicked "close" and, when asked if I would like to save, what do I press? Why, "no," of course! Uggh, sometimes I seriously consider getting some kind of medication for this crap.

Well, that set my list back a little, but fear not, it will be done! *SonGokuGT groans in disappointment*
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Post by The S » Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:34 pm

I have a really crappy list I found on the internet a long time ago, take a look:

DB
Goku:27
Goku (Kamehameha Wave):30
Oozaru Goku: 270
Yamcha:25
Launch:15
Launch (Transformed):24
Master Roshi:156
Master Roshi (Kamehameha Wave):200
Krillin:25
Chi Chi:15
Turtle:0.001
Ox-King:19
Bulma:3
Grandpa Gohan:156
Oolong:42
21st Tenkaichi Budokai
Grandpa Gohan:156
Goku:157
Oozaru Goku:1,570
Krillin:97
Yamcha:73
Bacterian:14
Jackie Chun:139
Korin:169
Ranfan:14
Giran:71
Mercenary Tao:146
Nam:87
22nd Tenkaichi Budokai
Goku:265
King Piccolo:260
Krillin:143
Tien:186
Yamcha:128
Jackie Chun:139
Wolfman:19
Tambourine:173
Pam Put:56
Cymbal:173
Yajirobe:181
Chiaoutzu:138
23rd Tenkaichi Budokai
Son Goku:330
Chi Chi:73
Piccolo:220
Yamcha:167
Tien:250
Krillin:206
Mercenary Tao:189
Shenron:301





The Arrival of Radditz
Goku: 330
Goku (without weighted clothing): 600
Goku (Kamehameha): 1,000
Piccolo: 322
Piccolo(without weighted clothing): 400
Piccolo (Beam Cannon): 1,330
Piccolo (Special Beam Cannon): 1,440
Gohan: 710
Gohan (really angry): 1,130
Raditz: 1,200
Farmer: 5
Krillin: 206
Master Roshi: 139
Turtle: 0.001
Tien: 250
Yamcha: 170
Chiaotzu: 145

Arrival of Nappa and Vegeta
Saibaimen: 1,200
Yamcha: 1,200
Krillin: 1,350
Tien: 1,600
Tien (Mega Blast): 2,900
Chiaotzu: 1,150
Gohan: 1,900
Gohan (healed): 2,800
Gohan (Masenko): 3,000
Piccolo: 2,000
Nappa: 7,200
Vegeta: 16,000
Vegeta (at his best): 18,000
Vegeta (Galick Gun): 35,000
Vegeta (Oozaru): 180,000
Goku: 5,000
Goku (charged up): 10,000
Goku (Kaioken attack): 13,000
Goku (double Kaioken): 16,000
Goku (triple Kaioken): 25,000
Goku triple Kaioken + Kamehameha: 40,000
Goku Kaioken times 4 + Kamehameha: 95,000
Goku healed after Vegeta leaves :15,000
Frieza Saga
Dodoria: 22,000
Zarbon: 23,000
Zarbon Monster: 35,000
Kui: 21,000
Vegeta: 27,000
Vegeta healed after Zarbon fight: 45,000
Vegeta healed after Recoomb fight: 130,000
Vegeta healed after Frieza fight & Krillin blast: 950,000
Nail: 45,000
Nail mega charge up while fighting Frieza: 200,000
Frieza: 250,000
Frieza form 2: 700,000
Frieza form 3: 1,500,000
Frieza form 4: 2,000,000
Son Goku: 5,000
Son Goku charged up: 180,000
Son Goku without weighted clothes: 200,000
Son Goku healed after Ginyu swap: 870,000
Son Goku without weighted clothes: 970,000
Son Goku Kaioken x10: 1,150,000
Son Goku Kaioken x20: 1,410,000
Son Goku Spirit Bomb: 2,500,000
SS Son Goku: 3,000,000
Piccolo: 400,000
Piccolo without weighted clothing: 440,000
Piccolo fused with Nail: 800,000
Piccolo without weighted clothing, after fusing with Nail: 880,000
Krillin: 12,000
Krillin Potential Unlocked: 30,000
Gohan: 19,000
Gohan Potential Unlocked: 50,000
Son Gohan healed after Recoome fight: 23,000
Guldo: 10,000
Recoome: 60,000
Jeice: 75,000
Jeice Crusher Ball :85,000
Burter: 70,000
Captain Ginyu: 120,000
Ginyu in Goku's Body: 23,000
Ginyu inside frog: 100,000

Cell Saga
King Cold: 3,000,000
Cyborg Frieza: 4,000,000
Trunks (when first appeared): 5
14-year old Trunks :5,000,000
17-year old Trunks: 6,000,000
SS Trunks: 18,000,000
Trunks after Spirit and Time training: 21,500,000
SS Trunks after Spirit & Time training: 23,000,000
Future #17: 5,250,000
#17: 7,000,000
Future #18 5,500,000
#18: 7,500,000
#16: 11,000,000
#19: 3,000,000
#19 after absorbing Vegeta’s energy: 4,000,000
#20: 3,500,000
Vegeta :5,000,000
SS Vegeta: 17,000,000
Piccolo:4,500,000
Piccolo after fusing with Kami: 17,500,000
Piccolo after fusing with Kami and Spirit and Time training: 15,000,000
Goku: 16,000,000
Goku after Spirit and Time training: 23,000,000
SS Son Goku: 26,000,000
Gohan: 4,000,000
Gohan after Spirit and Time training: 20,000,000
SS2 Gohan: 35,000,000
Gohan's Cell killing Kamehameha: 40,000,000
Tien: 500,000
Yamcha: 200,000
Krillin: 400,000
Cell: 6,000,000
Cell after absorbing a large amount of humans: 8,000,000
Cell Form 2: 16,000,000
Perfect Cell: 25,000,000
Ultra Perfect Cell: 35,000,000
Mr. Savage : 140
General Tao: 200

Buu Saga
Fat Buu: 45,000,000
SS2 Majin Vegeta: 50,000,000
Majin Buu: 80,000,000
Majin Buu, after becoming good: 55,000,000
Evil Buu: 65,000,000
Super Buu: 70,000,000
Lean Buu: 50,000,000
Goku: 5,000,000
SS Goku: 27,000,000
SS2 Goku: 49,500,000
SS3 Goku: 80,000,000
Goku Super Spirit Bomb: 100,000,000
Piccolo: 26,000,000
Gohan: 3,000,000
SS Gohan: 25,000,000
SS2 Gohan: 45,000,000
Z sword: 53,500,000
Goten: 1,500,000
SS Goten: 10,000,000
Trunks: 1,500,000
SS Trunks: 10,000,000
Gotenks: 3,000,000
SS Gotenks: 20,000,000
SS3 Gotenks: 75,000,000
Bra: 4
Pan: 1,000,000
Vegeta: 5,000,000
SS Vegeta: 26,500,000
SS2 Vegeta: 49,000,000
Vegetto 10,000,000
SS Vegetto: 53,500,000

Dragon Ball Z#1.Dead Zone
Garlic Jr.:138
Garlic Jr. Immortal:924
Goku:146
Goku (at his best):400
Piccolo:140
Gohan:3
Gohan (really mad):710
Krillin:105
Spice Boys:120-300
Master Roshi:139
#2.The World's Strongest
Misco Cunza:5,672
Dr.Wheelo:19,532
Goku:10,529
Goku Genki Dama:20,000
Misco-Cutsun:5,792
Kishiime:5,916
Ebi-Furiya:4,584
Master Roshi:156
Krillin:6,176
Piccolo:9,415
Gohan:4,000
Gohan (angry):19,739
Bulma:3
Dr. Kochin:1,200

#3.The Tree of Might
Turles:28,000
Turles (Ring of Fire):34,000
Goku:30,000
Goku (Energy Blast):32,000
Goku (Spirit Bomb):39,370
Gohan:10,000
Oozaru Gohan:100,000
Piccolo:14,426
Piccolo (Beam Cannon):16,000
Tien:11,472
Chiaoutzu:5,500
Yamcha:10,345

Dragonball GT
The Bebi series
Emperor Pilaf: 100
Goku: 10,000,000
Chibi Goku :2,000,000
SS Chibi Goku: 5,000,000
SS2 Chibi Goku: 20,000,000
SS3 Chibi Goku:45,000,000
Golden Oozaru Goku: 50,000,000
SS4 Goku: 160,000,000
Vegeta: 10,000,000
SS Vegeta: 30,000,000
SS2 Vegeta: 50,000,000
Golden Oozaru Bebi Vegeta: 165,000,000 (interesting how this is the only Baby PL we are given...
Gohan: 9,000,000
SS Gohan: 27,000,000
SS2 Gohan: 50,000,000
Goten: 2,500,000
SS Goten: 15,000,000
Trunks: 2,500,000
SS Trunks: 5,000,000
Evil Dragon Series
All 7 Dragons: 75,000,000
All the weakened Dragons: 50,000,000
Li (yes, it says "Li") Shenron: 350,000,000
Goku 3,000,000
SS Goku: 10,000,000
SS2 Goku: 25,000,000
SS3 Goku: 50,000,000
SS4 Goku: 180,000,000
Goku after merging with Eternal Dragon & absorbing all 7 Dragon Balls: 1,000,000,000
Vegeta: 15,000,000
SS Vegeta: 35,000,000
SS 2 Vegeta: 60,000,000
SS4 Vegeta:180,000,000
SS4 Gogeta: 360,000,000
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