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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:41 pm

penguintruth wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:Sabat only did 35+ voices because FUNimation only had...twelve people. Nowadays (or for a hopeful new dub), Sabat would probably be cast in all of one or two roles.

The Ocean isn't much better. Scott McNeil and Terry Klassen both wound up playing a dozen characters in the end.
That's true. And Brian Drummond played both Vegeta and Yajirobe, if I remember right.

I just felt like it was more obvious with Sabat. In my opinion, if he had concentrated on Vegeta from the beginning, he might've been a lot better, instead of improving so slowly. But as you've said, they didn't really have that many people.

But then that begs the question, why did they bother doing it in house if they had even less folks than Ocean did?
Let's not forget Drummond also voiced Paikuhan and Yamu, it painfully obviously him.

Lookin' back ten years, FUNimation did the right choice. They've done far greater good since their dub of Dragon Ball, so making the move in-house was worth it.
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Post by penguintruth » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:42 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Lookin' back ten years, FUNimation did the right choice. They've done far greater good since their dub of Dragon Ball, so making the move in-house was worth it.
Eh, I don't know. At least it paved the way for some of their better work, though.
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Post by Freeza.exe » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:50 pm

Metalwario64 wrote: Eh, FUNimations in house dub has much fewer inaccuracies and stupid jokes (Yes, yes, outside of Season Three and most of Four...I'm not saying there aren't any at all)

FUNimation's is still inaccurate, but they can mention death, and it is more accurate... It is also completely uncut, whereas the Ocean dub cut out whole episodes. That, and now you can watch it with the Japanese music!
Well I would go as far as to say there are stupid joke throughout the entire dub even though the script does get somewhat better. I could name plenty of cringe worthy one liners in the Cell and Buu arcs.

I'm not sure why you're saying Funi is more accurate then Ocean though. Yeah Ocean had gems like the brilliant scientist stuff but then Funi y'know went and changed Vegeta's entire back story so...

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Post by saiyangerl » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:55 pm

Freeza.exe wrote: I'm not sure why you're saying Funi is more accurate then Ocean though. Yeah Ocean had gems like the brilliant scientist stuff but then Funi y'know went and changed Vegeta's entire back story so...
Are you just referring to the difference of what the dub had him say when he died or is there more stuff they changed about his back story?

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Post by penguintruth » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:58 pm

Freeza.exe wrote:Funi y'know went and changed Vegeta's entire back story so...
You mean Vegeta's sob story to Goku as he's dying on Namek? The one that was completely uncharacteristic for an unrepentant Vegeta, who went right back to being a douche when wished back? The one that was originally just Vegeta begging him to become cold-hearted and avenge the Saiyans?

Arguably one of the dub's worst moments. Especially when Goku then forgives him.
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Post by Freeza.exe » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:00 pm

saiyangerl wrote:
Freeza.exe wrote: I'm not sure why you're saying Funi is more accurate then Ocean though. Yeah Ocean had gems like the brilliant scientist stuff but then Funi y'know went and changed Vegeta's entire back story so...
Are you just referring to the difference of what the dub had him say when he died or is there more stuff they changed about his back story?
Yeah his death speech being changed to something completely different was kind of a huge deal. That and they have him constantly talking about "Saiyan pride" which is inaccurate to the history of the Saiyans. They were ruthless low lives and would do absolutely anything to win, there was no pride or honor for that race.
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Post by Freeza.exe » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:03 pm

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Freeza.exe wrote:Funi y'know went and changed Vegeta's entire back story so...
You mean Vegeta's sob story to Goku as he's dying on Namek? The one that was completely uncharacteristic for an unrepentant Vegeta, who went right back to being a douche when wished back? The one that was originally just Vegeta begging him to become cold-hearted and avenge the Saiyans?

Arguably one of the dub's worst moments. Especially when Goku then forgives him.
Not to mention they kind of missed the entire point of that scene. Goku finally admits that he was a Saiyajin raised on Earth. I remember him spouting that line in the Buttah/Jheese fight in the dub. Talk about jumping the gun. At that point he was still supposed to be shunning his heritage.
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penguintruth wrote:
Freeza.exe wrote:Funi y'know went and changed Vegeta's entire back story so...
You mean Vegeta's sob story to Goku as he's dying on Namek? The one that was completely uncharacteristic for an unrepentant Vegeta, who went right back to being a douche when wished back? The one that was originally just Vegeta begging him to become cold-hearted and avenge the Saiyans?

Arguably one of the dub's worst moments. Especially when Goku then forgives him.
... I have GOT to watch the entire anime in Japanese soon. It was always easier to watch it on Toonami. I thought that speech was bogus, but I never read up on the dub changes after the changeover from the Ocean cast. Anything else -significant- I might have missed?
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Post by Kendamu » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:09 pm

penguintruth wrote:
Freeza.exe wrote:Funi y'know went and changed Vegeta's entire back story so...
You mean Vegeta's sob story to Goku as he's dying on Namek? The one that was completely uncharacteristic for an unrepentant Vegeta, who went right back to being a douche when wished back? The one that was originally just Vegeta begging him to become cold-hearted and avenge the Saiyans?

Arguably one of the dub's worst moments. Especially when Goku then forgives him.
"Vegeta, are you okay?"

"No. Not only am I fatally injured, but I have something to admit: I love ponies, stuffed animals, and Yamcha's singing. Freeza made me act like a bad guy when really all I wanted out of life was a never-ending supply of cute little pink button-up shirts for me to wear to reunions with you and your friends! Please avenge me! I never got to live like the girl I always wanted to be....!"

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Post by Freeza.exe » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:10 pm

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penguintruth wrote:
Freeza.exe wrote:Funi y'know went and changed Vegeta's entire back story so...
You mean Vegeta's sob story to Goku as he's dying on Namek? The one that was completely uncharacteristic for an unrepentant Vegeta, who went right back to being a douche when wished back? The one that was originally just Vegeta begging him to become cold-hearted and avenge the Saiyans?

Arguably one of the dub's worst moments. Especially when Goku then forgives him.
"Vegeta, are you okay?"

"No. Not only am I fatally injured, but I have something to admit: I love ponies, stuffed animals, and Yamcha's singing. Freeza made me act like a bad guy when really all I wanted out of life was a never-ending supply of cute little pink button-up shirts for me to wear to reunions with you and your friends! Please avenge me! I never got to live like the girl I always wanted to be....!"
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Post by penguintruth » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:10 pm

Kendamu wrote:Yamcha's singing
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jjgp1112 wrote:It actually boggled my mind when I found out how many characters he played. I never would have guessed that Piccolo, Vegeta, and Yamcha all had the same voice actor.
Throw in Karin, and that's sort of where the boggling stops. Everyone else is kind of obvious.

Although, you could make the argument(and I have made this argument) that Vegeta, Yamcha, and Piccolo are the only characters of any real importance he's done, and that everyone else is either a oneshot cronie or a minor character with three or four appearances in the enitre story.

ALTHOOOUGH, it is a slightly different story if you don't actually like Sabat's acting, then it's a bit more understandable why you would be against him doing so many roles. What confuzzles me is that it seems people don't like the idea of one person doing multiple roles, regardless of talent. Which to that, I must say, doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Post by Freeza.exe » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:17 pm

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jjgp1112 wrote:It actually boggled my mind when I found out how many characters he played. I never would have guessed that Piccolo, Vegeta, and Yamcha all had the same voice actor.
Throw in Karin, and that's sort of where the boggling stops. Everyone else is kind of obvious.

Although, you could make the argument(and I have made this argument) that Vegeta, Yamcha, and Piccolo are the only characters of any real importance he's done, and that everyone else is either a oneshot cronie or a minor character with three or four appearances in the enitre story.

ALTHOOOUGH, it is a slightly different story if you don't actually like Sabat's acting, then it's a bit more understandable why you would be against him doing so many roles. What confuzzles me is that it seems people don't like the idea of one person doing multiple roles, regardless of talent. Which to that, I must say, doesn't make a lot of sense.
I don't care for the dub but even I have nothing against Chris Sabat's modern performances for the characters. (Less me stress modern, as in like Budokai 2 onwards.)

He is an exceptional actor and I really like him. While not the best suited voices in my eyes they aren't awful by a long shot. However if we're talking Freeza arc to early Buu arc...that's a different story.
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Re: Ocean dub vs Funi Dub

Post by baragon_kun » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:18 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Though will say this topic reminded me of seeing comparison video of 2 English Kenshin dubs. One was of what we got here by Media Blasters/Anime Works, and another aired in foreign countries but is streaming in the States now. The one that aired in foreign countries isn't that great. Voices are strange, got weird name changes, including calling Kenshin, Battusai the Slasher. Media Blasters is much better.
i think you are referring to the "Samurai X" version, wich could be referred as international english dub, wich usually is pretty poor in translation and scrpt accuaricy, weird voices, and sometimes is made in asia, and made exclusively for foreign countries, kinda like the old dubs of the old transformers animes (Headmasters, Supergod Masterforce, Victory), or the Toho international english dubs of the godzilla movies always made in hong kong, by asian actors, i guess (not to be confused with the AIP, UPA, and Titra US dubs of this movies aswell)

i can tell you this since here in mexico we got an spanish dub of Ruroni Kenshin with the name of Samurai X, and the voice acting was pretty bad, Kaoru and some of the girls sounded like girly men, and we got the term "Batosai el destazador", for example

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Post by Kendamu » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:19 pm

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jjgp1112 wrote:It actually boggled my mind when I found out how many characters he played. I never would have guessed that Piccolo, Vegeta, and Yamcha all had the same voice actor.
Throw in Karin, and that's sort of where the boggling stops. Everyone else is kind of obvious.

Although, you could make the argument(and I have made this argument) that Vegeta, Yamcha, and Piccolo are the only characters of any real importance he's done, and that everyone else is either a oneshot cronie or a minor character with three or four appearances in the enitre story.

ALTHOOOUGH, it is a slightly different story if you don't actually like Sabat's acting, then it's a bit more understandable why you would be against him doing so many roles. What confuzzles me is that it seems people don't like the idea of one person doing multiple roles, regardless of talent. Which to that, I must say, doesn't make a lot of sense.
I've always been able to generally point out when it's him and he does a lot of voices that are stressful on the vocals. I like him in many of his non-Dragonball roles and would like to see him playing less Dragonball characters so he can focus all of his talent on one character and possibly let more of his natural voice slip in so that he'll have a wider range of emotion and volume to use in his lines.

Plus, many of his Dragonball voices are very easy to imitate. Natural voices are little bit different unless you have a really funny natural voice. Adding a level of natural voice to one well-done Dragonball character would add some needed depth.

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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:21 pm

Sabat's done some amazing stuff for a guy who didn't major in acting in any school, but it's best when he plays but one or two roles in a series (like YYH, his Raizen was beastly, and his Roronoa Zoro is quickly becoming his best role ever). It saves the guy the range he'll need to tap into for different lines, and it'll save his voice too. His Vegeta, Piccolo, and Yamcha are constantly changing or mixing nowadays and that probably because his Vegeta (and original Piccolo) would shred any man's vocal chords.
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Post by Freeza.exe » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:27 pm

JulieYBM wrote: (and original Piccolo) would shred any man's vocal chords.
:lol: That's totally his fault though. He literally shouted every line angrily, even when Piccolo was just casually talking.
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Post by JulieYBM » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:30 pm

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JulieYBM wrote: (and original Piccolo) would shred any man's vocal chords.
:lol: That's totally his fault though. He literally shouted every line angrily, even when Piccolo was just casually talking.
Which is why he's just dropping his natural voice a little for his speaking voice nowadays. :lol:
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Post by Kendamu » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:04 pm

And I hope that it continues in that direction. I'll always prefer the Canadian cast and the Japanese cast, but I can't deny that Sabat's continually getting better.

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Post by penguintruth » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:16 pm

Kendamu wrote:And I hope that it continues in that direction. I'll always prefer the Canadian cast and the Japanese cast, but I can't deny that Sabat's continually getting better.
Even I can't deny that. At least as far as Vegeta, at least.
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