DB/Older anime fans different from new anime fans?

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:14 pm

Might be the only one who noticed this, but to anyone else, so fans of Dragon Ball and other older anime seem different from fans of newer anime? By newer, I mean ones in the last 5-6 years that many saw through torrents first. For example, on this site I've seen quite a few guys who said they wished that Funimation had dubbed "Cha-La Head Cha-La". On the other hand, when Funimation dubbed "Sakura Kiss" a lot of Ouran fans who watched fansubs a billion times called Funimation unholy, blasphemous infidels. Concerning other older anime, a lot of guys yelled and complained a lot at Viz for giving Naruto's catchphrase an equivalent in the dub. On the other hand, media Blasters kept Kenshin's catchphrase in the dub and subtitles and no one complained about that at all. There a reason for why older shows might not get the flack that a newer show would or not? You guys notice this?

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:21 pm

I think people will always find something to complain about, so you'll find groups like that in every fandom at every age group, intermixed with each other.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:29 pm

I'm trying to decide whether the "old fans" are the ones more used to the dub or the Japanese. Because, of course, the oldest generation of DBZ fans, or rather the ones that have been with it the longest, might've seen the Japanese version first.

Then again, I've been a "fan" (I guess) of DBZ since the Ocean cast dub premiered early in the morning on Fox or whatever channel. In fact, I think I may have seen the original Dragon Ball dub when it aired, but I barely remember it. But during the time my part of the fandom came up, we were watching third and fourth generation VHS fansubs and reading DBZ Uncensored with our fists shaking in the air over parachutes and cargo robots.

When DBZ was going strong on Toonami, I think another generation, the generation of "dubbies", if you can call them, the ones who insist on the English dub, appeared. Were these the folks who didn't purchase the VHS fansubs, who missed out on that phenomenon, or are they the generation of downloading fansubs?

With bilingual discs out there, I still see a lot of folks insist that the English language version is better, for a variety reasons, but mostly because "they grew up with that version", which leads me to believe they weren't the ones who grew up at the same time I did.

(Heh, like I ever grew up.)

Though I have recently found I have a fondness for certain Ocean voices, like Peter Kelamis or Saffron Henderson, I've also reexamined DBZ Uncensored and other places and realized that we all complained about those voices back then, and with good reason.

It's weird being twenty six and finding yourself still shaking your fist over KAMAYAMAYA. I should probably calm down a little.

(To be fair, I hadn't thought about DBZ in years until DB Kai premiered.)

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:30 pm

Well, I think with the advent of YouTube and the like (with both legal and illegal streaming), there are SO many options available to such wide audiences that people can be pickier about how they want the shows they enjoy dubbed.

Nowadays, there are people who have never had to go through difficulties to get copies of episodes/movies of a show they're interested in and they kind of expect everything to be dubbed at the highest standards possible.

I remember hearing about the whole in-person tape-trading stuff that went on with anime in the late 90's and it all sounds like it must've been incredibly difficult.

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Oh! And I should mention, I joined the fandom in late 2000; I came in via Toonami and heard my first listen of the Japanese version in 2002 by way of incredibly short videoclips on websites.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:55 pm

Super Sonic wrote: a lot of guys yelled and complained a lot at Viz for giving Naruto's catchphrase an equivalent in the dub.

That makes me so mad...and I don't anger easily.

Besides, they're Narutards. Don't take anything they do seriously.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:01 pm

Big Momma wrote:
Super Sonic wrote: a lot of guys yelled and complained a lot at Viz for giving Naruto's catchphrase an equivalent in the dub.
That makes me so mad...and I don't anger easily.

Besides, they're Narutards. Don't take anything they do seriously.

I don't see why anybody takes anime fans these days seriously. They don't buy shit and just complain all the time.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:03 pm

Raki wrote:
Big Momma wrote:
Super Sonic wrote: a lot of guys yelled and complained a lot at Viz for giving Naruto's catchphrase an equivalent in the dub.
That makes me so mad...and I don't anger easily.

Besides, they're Narutards. Don't take anything they do seriously.
I don't see why anybody takes anime fans these days seriously. They don't buy shit and just complain all the time.

You just described 95% of a Naruto forum I frequent....and they have a lot of members. (Yeah, you can probably guess which one...)

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:06 pm

Big Momma wrote:You just described 95% of a Naruto forum I frequent....and they have a lot of members. (Yeah, you can probably guess which one...)

Well, I can't, so what is it? Viz.com?

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:09 pm

Metalwario64 wrote:
Big Momma wrote:You just described 95% of a Naruto forum I frequent....and they have a lot of members. (Yeah, you can probably guess which one...)
Well, I can't, so what is it? Viz.com?

Haha, no. I'm not gonna go giving out the name of another forum if I'm speaking ill-y of their members.

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:09 pm

Big Momma wrote:
Raki wrote:
Big Momma wrote: That makes me so mad...and I don't anger easily.

Besides, they're Narutards. Don't take anything they do seriously.
I don't see why anybody takes anime fans these days seriously. They don't buy shit and just complain all the time.
You just described 95% of a Naruto forum I frequent....and they have a lot of members. (Yeah, you can probably guess which one...)

Naruto Fan? I frequent that off and on. They don't shit on Dragonball so I don't care.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:14 pm

Don't even get Mr Kunzait started on this topic!

Yes, I think fans of anything are different depending on the generation they got into it. Back in the old days when you could only get anime on VHS, you usually got subbed only stuff. Eventually dub only became more common, and in those days, almost all of the opening and ending songs were translated into English, rather than left in Japanese or outright replaced. It's kind of nostalgic to see them doing that again recently, but maybe fans who aren't used to it don't like it.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:24 pm

Raki wrote:
Big Momma wrote:
Super Sonic wrote: a lot of guys yelled and complained a lot at Viz for giving Naruto's catchphrase an equivalent in the dub.
That makes me so mad...and I don't anger easily.

Besides, they're Narutards. Don't take anything they do seriously.
I don't see why anybody takes anime fans these days seriously. They don't buy shit and just complain all the time.

What you said reminded me of this:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/anime-n ... 2008-04-09

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:12 pm

Most of the young anime fans of today always, always, ALWAYS say shit like "OMG this dub is terrible", they're usually talking about Death Note, Gurren Lagann, Haruhi, and will always at one point come out with "Dragon Ball Z had the most perfect anime dub ever."

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:09 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:Most of the young anime fans of today always, always, ALWAYS say shit like "OMG this dub is terrible", they're usually talking about Death Note, Gurren Lagann, Haruhi, and will always at one point come out with "Dragon Ball Z had the most perfect anime dub ever."

I can't believe people actually complain about the Naruto dub. As far as dubs go, it's amazing.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:13 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:Most of the young anime fans of today always, always, ALWAYS say shit like "OMG this dub is terrible", they're usually talking about Death Note, Gurren Lagann, Haruhi, and will always at one point come out with "Dragon Ball Z had the most perfect anime dub ever."

They say that Dragon Ball ZEEE's dub was better than the Japanese version!

Do they want their scripts and music changed in their dubs? I thought they were into the whole "exactly leik da jap versyun sugoi desu" with their fansubs...

...I hate fansubs. I was watching one for Slayers Revolution, and they left "Aniki" untranslated, and had a "note" at the top that said "NOTE: Aniki means brother..."

...Then why in God's name didn't they translate it as such?

russ869 · Post by **russ869** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:46 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:Most of the young anime fans of today always, always, ALWAYS say shit like "OMG this dub is terrible", they're usually talking about Death Note, Gurren Lagann, Haruhi, and will always at one point come out with "Dragon Ball Z had the most perfect anime dub ever."

Seriously? I mean, maybe on this site they will, because for a lot of people here DBZ was the first dub they heard (and I'm assuming liked). But I can't see how any person could objectively (or even subjectively) say that the Dragonball Z dub is perfect, but the Death Note dub is terrible just in terms of quality.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:49 pm

russ869 wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote:Most of the young anime fans of today always, always, ALWAYS say shit like "OMG this dub is terrible", they're usually talking about Death Note, Gurren Lagann, Haruhi, and will always at one point come out with "Dragon Ball Z had the most perfect anime dub ever."
Seriously?

Yes... Unfortunately...

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:19 pm

The Time Traveller wrote:Most of the young anime fans of today always, always, ALWAYS say shit like "OMG this dub is terrible", they're usually talking about Death Note, Gurren Lagann, Haruhi, and will always at one point come out with "Dragon Ball Z had the most perfect anime dub ever."

Huh. I thought Death Note had one of the best dubs of all time, especially compared to DBZ. It was probably Ocean's best work. Haruhi's dub wasn't that bad, either. I can't say I cared much for GL's, though.

Apparently crazy nostalgia plagues new anime fans.

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:42 pm

penguintruth wrote:Huh. I thought Death Note had one of the best dubs of all time, especially compared to DBZ. It was probably Ocean's best work. Haruhi's dub wasn't that bad, either. I can't say I cared much for GL's, though.
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Death Note was of course near the level of the original voices. Haruhi's dub was pretty excellent, but I had a real problem with the honorifics left in.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:55 pm

I'd love to make a fandub in the style of Dragon Ball Z's dub... of Gurren Lagann...

First, no proper romanisations, the main character is Shimon!

And the music shall be replaced with terrible rock/techno, and whenever a character is off screen, they'll have a ton of lines.

And add a ton of jokes that even kids won't laugh at...

Kanzenshuu

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