Ancient question about Schemmel for oldschool PN veterans

[GS7X7]

I remember years ago on a message board some people were praising for Schemmel because apparently he refused to refer to Super Saiyan as "Super Duper Saiyan" and forced/convinced them to say this.

Apparently Sean Schemmel used to post a lot on the PN boards or hang out in the chat rooms.

Does anyone know anything about this whole "Super Duper Saiyan" thing with Schemmel?

[funrush]

I've actually never heard about it. Funi wanted to call it "Super Duper Saiyan"? That's... kinda stupid if you ask me, why would they even consider calling it Super Duper Saiyan?

[TheBlackPaladin]

I've actually never heard about it. Funi wanted to call it "Super Duper Saiyan"? That's... kinda stupid if you ask me, why would they even consider calling it Super Duper Saiyan?

Because back then, they were purposefully re-writing DBZ to appeal to a different (much younger) crowd. It goes without saying that they didn't do a good job writing loyal dub scripts, but I would argue that they didn't even do a good job re-writing for 10-year-olds. For example, the infamous "Mondo Cool" line...even when I was 11 years old, and thought that DBZ was a domestically-produced show, and didn't get mad about "translation issues," because I didn't know there were any...I cringed at that line. I was embarrassed to be watching DBZ in that moment. I even remember cringing and saying out loud, "Who talks like that?"

[funrush]

Yeah, agreed with the whole "mondo cool" thing. That's why when my parents are around, I only watch Kai.

[MarcFBR]

Super Duper Saiyan sounds like something someone made up.

Especially since prior to him appearing they had always used Super Saiyan in products they sold.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Super Duper Saiyan sounds like something someone made up.

Especially since prior to him appearing they had always used Super Saiyan in products they sold.

I believe it was in an interview with Jon Allen, but I do recall it. It was their term for the 'USSJ' state.

[MarcFBR]

I believe it was in an interview with Jon Allen, but I do recall it. It was their term for the 'USSJ' state.

USSJ is a fan term in the first place. I find it more likely they referred to it internally like that as a gag. Or Schemmel was joking.

[MajinVejitaXV]

USSJ is a fan term in the first place. I find it more likely they referred to it internally like that as a gag. Or Schemmel was joking.

Yes Marc, I know. I've been around awhile too. ;p

As I recall, Schemmel was trying to highlight how he was a serious actor, and how he wouldn't just mindlessly say whatever the scripts called for if he thought it was below him. I'll see if I can find it later, it's bound to be somewhere.

[caejones]

It sounds to me like something that the dub might have wanted Goku to call it in some offhand comment. Which, while pretty ridiculous, would actually support that subtle distinction in naming the form that Vegeta/Trunks and Goku have, according to the Daizex transformation guide. ... if in a... ur... questionable way.

[bkev]

he wouldn't just mindlessly say whatever the scripts called for if he thought it was below him.

That sounds very much like Schemmel to me. Guy seems to have a bit of an ego.

[Pokewhiz7]

he wouldn't just mindlessly say whatever the scripts called for if he thought it was below him.

That sounds very much like Schemmel to me. Guy seems to have a bit of an ego.

I believe he signed up a year or two ago just to argue with PenguinTruth.

[MajinVejitaXV]

he wouldn't just mindlessly say whatever the scripts called for if he thought it was below him.

That sounds very much like Schemmel to me. Guy seems to have a bit of an ego.

I believe he signed up a year or two ago just to argue with PenguinTruth.

Indeed he did:

http://daizex.fanboyreview.net/memberli ... ile&u=6820

Shortly thereafter, he disappeared from both here and the FUNi Facebook page.

[GS7X7]

"I'll talk as loudly as I want now, and I'll be heard. The reason is you're misunderstanding some things about companies and dubbing and how they control our mouths. Just because I was in the original DBZ, doesn't mean I liked it or supported it artistically. We were all frustrated with the old powers that be at Funimation, and for those of you who have never worked in show business professionally, which I would say is, all of you, you may not realize that many companies stance on gag orders is this. "Shut up or be fired." Also, I have a LOT more experience, writing, dubbing, directing and acting in anime than I did when I recorded DBZ the first time. That was my first acting audition. I understand Japanese culture, voice acting, adaptation, the differences between japanese and english significantly more, and, as far as music is concerned I have vast experience in that area, so when I tell you the music will suck, aside from your own subjective experience, I'm pretty qualified to talk about the suckiness of music or not. Of course to each his own at the end of the day. I will be silent about my opinions no longer. We did the best we could with DBZ with some really really crappy decisions that were made by people, who in my opinion, not only had zero artistic talent and experience, were also trying to appease american audiences to make money because perhaps they thought the Pokemon formula would work for DBZ. If America wasn't so uptight about things and parents didn't allow the tv to babysit their children, perhaps more shows would come the U.S. and be uncut. At the end of the day, I am, and have always been a freelance actor, and just because I work for a company doesn't mean I support their decisions. This is the first time I have supported Funi's decisions publicly, and the staff at Funi is now amazing. It's a completely different company.

Have a nice day.

-Sean Schemmel"



DAAAAAAYYYYYYYUM! My respect level for Sean is now through the roof!



(still not a big fan of where Watson had him take the Goku voice over time though, but maybe that was more Barry than Sean)

This actually kind of reminds me of something he said to SSJ Leia of Dbzoa back around late 2003/early 2004 when she hit him up on aim and had an argument about the dub. (it never got published anywhere except in the mods board to be seen by a few Dbzoa mods and webmasters, sadly a position I once held)



One more thing in regards to penguin insulting his singing voice....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dluEJh_bY9A


Also, you have to be really dickish to insult his singing abilities to his face.... I'm not even a big fan of his Goku voice but I absolutely love his singing for the Kai opening!

Btw, what'd he say on Facebook?

[bkev]

I remember most of what he said being done on his fan club page, which - mind you - isn't run by him (just so nobody blames his ego on it.) He claimed to delete his facebook for personal reasons but the timing was rather convenient so I doubt that was so.

edit: whoa, the hell? Corey posted right above me after GS7. Wonder what happened to it.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Also, you have to be really dickish to insult his singing abilities to his face.... I'm not even a big fan of his Goku voice but I absolutely love his singing for the Kai opening!

Btw, what'd he say on Facebook?

I agreed with some of his statements in that first post, but he came off as a dick overall. Talking about how he knew so much about everything and how we were basically unqualified to judge him because he made 5 figures a year without residuals so obviously that meant he was talented. I mean, how many talented actors do you know that feel the need to stoop to defending themselves on a fan community (much less by bringing up their salaries)?

Plus, Sean has a history of being...vocal with us. Someone else can chime in about that though.

As for what he said on Facebook, I can't recall. Sean's plug got yanked, seemingly, because he disappeared from here AND Facebook. I believe all of his posts there were deleted. Again, someone else can chime in and fill in the blanks.

edit: whoa, the hell? Corey posted right above me after GS7. Wonder what happened to it.

I hit submit before I meant to, so I deleted it and rewrote the post. Didn't want anyone to reply when I was changing the post fairly drastically.

[jjgp1112]

Well, he's since restarted his Facebook and drops in on the fanclub every now and then. Don't search through it, though, because it's mostly inane bullshit from crazy fans that will make you want to rip your eyes out.

[bkev]

Many of his facebook posts of relevance to this topic had to do with bashing Penguintruth. More importantly, though, he was the one who started the Ocean Kai dub rumor - adding to his statements that they were composing "crappy music" for it, no less.

[GS7X7]

I remember there was controversy on Sonny Strait's old message board (2002/2003ish) where, a friend of his upset about the GT rap, expressed disappointment that Schemmel sang in the chorus. (Sonny was forced to come in and delete it and several other posts cause someone unnamed from the company saw it and got offended) (ADDED NOTE- Derek Padula recently interview the GT rap guy on his site who denied Schemmel's involvement. The most likely scenario is that the poster on Schemmel's board got Schemmel confused for kid Goku's voice.)

I don't know if it was Sean's idea or some exec pushed him into it. But seeing him complain about Ocean putting in shitty dub music? Much respect Sean! Maybe that was Funi's idea above!

I flamed the crap out him once about the "rap chorus" on my site ages ago and now I feel kinda bad that I did.

[Mountain]

"I'll talk as loudly as I want now, and I'll be heard. The reason is you're misunderstanding some things about companies and dubbing and how they control our mouths. Just because I was in the original DBZ, doesn't mean I liked it or supported it artistically. We were all frustrated with the old powers that be at Funimation, and for those of you who have never worked in show business professionally, which I would say is, all of you, you may not realize that many companies stance on gag orders is this. "Shut up or be fired." Also, I have a LOT more experience, writing, dubbing, directing and acting in anime than I did when I recorded DBZ the first time. That was my first acting audition. I understand Japanese culture, voice acting, adaptation, the differences between japanese and english significantly more, and, as far as music is concerned I have vast experience in that area, so when I tell you the music will suck, aside from your own subjective experience, I'm pretty qualified to talk about the suckiness of music or not. Of course to each his own at the end of the day. I will be silent about my opinions no longer. We did the best we could with DBZ with some really really crappy decisions that were made by people, who in my opinion, not only had zero artistic talent and experience, were also trying to appease american audiences to make money because perhaps they thought the Pokemon formula would work for DBZ. If America wasn't so uptight about things and parents didn't allow the tv to babysit their children, perhaps more shows would come the U.S. and be uncut. At the end of the day, I am, and have always been a freelance actor, and just because I work for a company doesn't mean I support their decisions. This is the first time I have supported Funi's decisions publicly, and the staff at Funi is now amazing. It's a completely different company.

Have a nice day.

-Sean Schemmel"

I remember reading this when it was posted and thinking that he was a little off base, as I work in the entertainment industry, and I'm sure I'm not the only one here. Also, penguintruth merely spoke his opinion, which I believe everyone is entitled to; I must say that both parties made decent points, but the argument was entirely uncalled for.

[jjgp1112]

Well, penguintruth was acting like a bit of a dick, throughout, as he made a lot of sideways insults, not to mention the whole thing starting with him saying something along the lines of "It looks like acting isn't the only thing Schemmel is fucking terrible at."