Crazy Dragonball Z theories that you've heard?

[Silkman3003]

As we all know, a lot of us have come across our fair share of theories. Some of them...being too ridiculous for us to hear. So in your opinion, what were some crazy/bad theories that you've heard? Includes animes/movies

[Mystic Gohan]

LOLOL, youtubers saying broly would mop the floor with ssj4 gogeta.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

- In the alternate timeline Gohan gives the sword he got from his training with Piccolo to Trunks.
- The Z in 'DBZ' stands for 'Zenkai'.

[CatouttaHell]

* SSjin Goten and Trunks are weaker than 100% Freeza.
* SSjin Gotenks is weaker than SSjin 2 Vegeta.
* Vegetto can beat GT Goku/SSjin 4 Gogeta/Yi Xing Long.
* Spopovitch is above Raditz.
* Broly can beat SSjin 4 Gogeta because Movie 8 takes place in an alternate timeline where everybody is 537852379857235 times stronger than their canon counterparts.
* It is plausible that Movie 8 Broly busted a galaxy, but completely impossible for him to have simply busted every planet/star in the galaxy one by one.
* Broly is more skilled than Yamucha.
* Pure Boo is the most skilled character in DBZ and would beat anybody at equal Battle Powers.
* Cell Games SSjin Goku > Cell Games SSjin Gohan.

[Gonstead]

Everything and ANYTHING to do with Broly.

[Mystic Gohan]

* SSjin Goten and Trunks are weaker than 100% Freeza.
* SSjin Gotenks is weaker than SSjin 2 Vegeta.
* Vegetto can beat GT Goku/SSjin 4 Gogeta/Yi Xing Long.
* Spopovitch is above Raditz.
* Broly can beat SSjin 4 Gogeta because Movie 8 takes place in an alternate timeline where everybody is 537852379857235 times stronger than their canon counterparts.
* It is plausible that Movie 8 Broly busted a galaxy, but completely impossible for him to have simply busted every planet/star in the galaxy one by one.
* Broly is more skilled than Yamucha.
* Pure Boo is the most skilled character in DBZ and would beat anybody at equal Battle Powers.
* Cell Games SSjin Goku > Cell Games SSjin Gohan.

haha watsup COH, ssj3 gotenks from neoseeker. I seen a lot of people spout that bs over at neo also.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Super Saiyan 3 Goku is stronger than Super Boo. Two theories on why.

1st theory: Goku was thinking from the standpoint of an ant. His statement about Super Boo being stronger than him and Vegeta is irrelevant because they're too small to beat him. Goku mentioned fighting Boo "like this", and when he said that, they were the size of fleas. The fact that Goku was in Super Saiyan form when stalling, while also telling Super Boo that they'll defeat him and find an exit just proves Goku's the more powerful one. The fact that Goku wasn't afraid to take on Boo inside his own body while only being in Super Saiyan implies Super Boo has no chance fighting Goku in a normal battle.

2nd theory: Goku stating they'd be beaten by Super Boo was a way to spare Vegeta's feelings when he really meant Super Boo would own Vegeta, and that would Goku to use his true power in Super Saiyan 3, which would also shatter Vegeta's already damaged ego even more.

In short, Goku lied and made it a point to say Super Boo would beat both of them because he didn't want Vegeta to feel outclassed.

Um....yeah

[Silver Sinspawn]

- Anything Broly related
- Saiyans have assigned breeders
- Goku's mother is Vegeta's mother
- Tien is stronger than Frieza and almost as strong as Cell by the end of Z
Also my theory, deemed ridiculous all too often, that Trunks f'ing with time travel lead to more than just the obvious timelines, it also lead to one where Garlic Jr. existed, one with Dr. Wheelo, etc. for all movies. I see it as perfectly reasonable, but nobody else seems to think so.

[Saiga]

- Anything Broly related
- Saiyans have assigned breeders
- Goku's mother is Vegeta's mother
- Tenshinhan is stronger than Freeza and almost as strong as Cell by the end of Z
Also my theory, deemed ridiculous all too often, that Trunks f'ing with time travel lead to more than just the obvious timelines, it also lead to one where Garlic Jr. existed, one with Dr. Wheelo, etc. for all movies. I see it as perfectly reasonable, but nobody else seems to think so.

I think that's a pretty reasonable idea, so you're not alone.

[Mystic Gohan]

- Anything Broly related
- Saiyans have assigned breeders
- Goku's mother is Vegeta's mother
- Tenshinhan is stronger than Freeza and almost as strong as Cell by the end of Z
Also my theory, deemed ridiculous all too often, that Trunks f'ing with time travel lead to more than just the obvious timelines, it also lead to one where Garlic Jr. existed, one with Dr. Wheelo, etc. for all movies. I see it as perfectly reasonable, but nobody else seems to think so.

I don't think tien is stronger than frieza, but a kikoho would one-shot frieza.

[In Brightest Day]

I don't think Tenshinhan is stronger than Freeza, but a kikoho would one-shot Freeza.

Co-signed.

No matter how unrealistic it should have been, the Ki-Ko-Ho was able to hold Semi-Perfect Cell back. Cell was so much more powerful than anyone that had come before in Dragonball, that in reality the Ki-Ko-Ho should be able to easily destroy anyone that had come before Semi-Perfect Cell. Now I'm likely going to be looked at as fan-wanking the Earthling characters here, but I just can't see any way around it. Sure, logically Tenshinhan never, ever should have been able to come up with an attack that powerful, but he did. We saw it happen in the Manga, and theirs really nothing to go against that.

Aside from the Mr. Satan > Dragonball fighters statements I've seen here & other places, everything else I've seen in this thread I'd just be repeating. Theirs certainly some crazy opinions out there, though.

[DBZ Mick]

It didn't hurt Cell though. It just held him back... I see no reason why it wouldn't be the same if he used it on Freeza.

Like the Genki Dama pushing him back ie.

[In Brightest Day]

It didn't hurt Cell though. It just held him back... I see no reason why it wouldn't be the same if he used it on Freeza.

Because Semi-Perfect Cell was that much more powerful than anyone that had come before him.

[Bussani]

Also my theory, deemed ridiculous all too often, that Trunks f'ing with time travel lead to more than just the obvious timelines, it also lead to one where Garlic Jr. existed, one with Dr. Wheelo, etc. for all movies. I see it as perfectly reasonable, but nobody else seems to think so.

Probably because it throws cause and effect out the window. Garlic Jr. and Dr. Wheelo would happen before Trunks even appears, too, so it would have to somehow create new timelines that rewrite the past. I suppose Garlic Jr. could have been caused by Cell arriving in the past two years before Trunks, so long as, like I said, you aren't basing them on cause and effect or anything.

[Eire]

- Anything Broly related

Are there any theories about him, besides those discussing his power level?

Dr. Briefs abused Bulma as a child and wanted her to marry a rich man for a sake of Capsule Corporation.

[Hitiro]

-The 17th movie(The Path to Power) is the first instance of Goku using the Kamehameha.
-Hercule has a powerlevel close to 100.
-The way a Saiyan's hair looks doesn't help to tell you what SSJ form they are in.
-Vegito could beat Buuhan in his base form.
-Powerlevel = How much you can lift.
-SSJ form = 35x multiplier.
-Goku's powerlevel when arriving on Namek is 180,000 without Kaioken.
-It doesn't matter how powerful a character is if they aren't good at manipulating Ki they can't be planet busters, examples given that apparently can't bust planets: Dodoria, Zarbon, Goku(Saiyan Saga), Vegeta(Saiyan Saga).

[VegettoEX]

- In the alternate timeline Gohan gives the sword he got from his training with Piccolo to Trunks.
- The Z in 'DBZ' stands for 'Zenkai'.

Anyone else have stuff like this? You know, stuff other than "XXX character could YYY against ZZZ character!"...?

The topic was posted to the "In-Universe" section, so I don't know if that is why it's getting specifically geared toward comparing character strengths, but there is a whole world of cute/fun anecdotes that get passed around that have no basis in fact. I'm happy to move the thread elsewhere if folks want to contribute those kinds of things (and if not, that's fine, as well -- just want to open the doors a little bit).

'Cuz, ya' know, I can already see the standard folks starting to get rude at each other over the most basic and non-controversial-in-the-greater-scheme-of-things strength comparisons. It's just not necessary. Please remember where it is you are posting, and how you are expected to (and agreed to) conduct yourselves.

[the_abberration]

The character Master Chin (that Goku meets from Goku vs. Sky Dragon) is the same character as Gramps (that Gohan meets from A Girl Named Lime).

Yamcha was Goten's dad.

Red and Black from the original series were reincarnated as the two movie guys, Gohan meets in DBZ (which explains their likenesses).

#17 & #18 were Tao's son and daughter.

Broly is Vegeta's half brother (King Vegeta had a secret affair).

At some point Goku had a third son named Goshin (GoTen, GoShin,GoHan).

[Pantalones]

Before the Androids, everyone who trained at North Kaio's planet somehow incorporates Kaio-Ken into their "base" strength (...and somehow figured out how to keep it from having an obvious flaring red aura, or rapidly weakening their body when used in anything other than short bursts, or requiring them to power up and yell "KAIO-KEN!" every time they use it), which is how Piccolo caught up with the Super Saiyans.

Kid Buu/Super Buu is powerful enough to destroy the entire universe (not just wiping everything in it out over an extended period of time, of course, but actually destroying the whole thing in one go.)

Base Goku in GT is stronger than SSj3 Goku was in the Buu saga.

"Full Power"/"Mastered" Super Saiyan is actually a separate form that provides more power than regular Super Saiyan, rather than just being regular Super Saiyan perfected so that it doesn't stress you out or drain your energy at all.

Recoome is stronger than either Jeice or Burter, despite it being stated that both of them are at least as strong as he is.

Krillin is somehow more powerful than Tenshinhan in the Buu saga, despite giving up on training in the previous seven years while Tenshinhan did pretty much nothing but train.

Krillin's daughter Marron was born without a nose like her dad, but will grow one as she gets older.

Android 19 was made in the likeness of (or from the dead body of) Chiaotzu's father, who worked alongside Dr. Gero in the Red Ribbon Army. (...I don't know if people seriously believe this one or it's just a joke about how they're both weird pale clown people, but I know I've seen this said somewhere before. XD)

Broly is literally indestructible in his "legendary" form, no matter how strong his opponent is.

Vegerot is literally omnipotent, not just a buttload stronger than anyone else who shows up in DBZ.

Fusion is literally "character X's power times character Y's power," rather than an extremely complicated mystical technique that can't be reduced to simple math.

During the Buu saga, Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan are stronger than Piccolo even in their base forms, even though Gohan (whose base form was most definitely not stronger than Piccolo seven years earlier) has actually gotten weaker and everyone still uses Cell Games SSj2 Gohan as a point of reference (as if surpassing that level of power was a pretty big milestone for Goku and Vegeta even in SSj2, which would be kind of unlikely if they were so far past him that even their base forms are brushing up on the level of a Cell Jr. now...)

Goten and Trunks are as strong as or stronger than #18 without even going Super Saiyan.

Goten and Trunks, at the start of the Buu saga, are already as strong as Gohan.

[CatouttaHell]

Base Goku in GT is stronger than SSj3 Goku was in the Buu saga.

Krillin is somehow more powerful than Tenshinhan in the Buu saga, despite giving up on training in the previous seven years while Tenshinhan did pretty much nothing but train.

During the Buu saga, Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan are stronger than Piccolo even in their base forms, even though Gohan (whose base form was most definitely not stronger than Piccolo seven years earlier) has actually gotten weaker and everyone still uses Cell Games SSj2 Gohan as a point of reference (as if surpassing that level of power was a pretty big milestone for Goku and Vegeta even in SSj2, which would be kind of unlikely if they were so far past him that even their base forms are brushing up on the level of a Cell Jr. now...)

Goten and Trunks are as strong as or stronger than #18 without even going Super Saiyan.

Goten and Trunks, at the start of the Buu saga, are already as strong as Gohan.

These are all based on valid statements and feats so I don't see how they're crazy.

GT Base Goku being above SSjin 3 Goku from the Boo arc is as low as you can possibly go with GT (unless you go by the Anime hax.) He's implied to completely blowing out Gohan-Boo and probably Super Vegetto eventually.